Teachers Teaching Teachers#49 - How Do Local EdTech & Writing Projects Create a Web Presence?

  20:53:11  PaulAllison ->  I'm a little late getting in... sorry folks
 20:53:43  PaulAllison ->  Baseball season with 2 teenage boys can take serious time in the spring.
 20:53:50  DougS ->  no apologies needed Paul
 20:53:56  DougS ->  and what better excuse!
 20:54:29  PaulAllison ->  Jeff should I wait for you call?
 20:56:49  DougS ->  don't hear any "noise" on stream
 20:59:57  DougS ->  what time on Friday?
 21:00:01  DougS ->  for the spacecast?
 21:00:08  lee ->  Hello All
 21:00:14  DougS ->  hey Lee, and all
 21:00:27  lee ->  8:45am est, 10:30am est, and 11:35am est
 21:00:36  DougS ->  thanks
 21:00:39  lee ->  each for one half hour
 21:01:41  Nancy B ->  hello all
 21:01:49  DougS ->  hi Nancy
 21:02:02  lee ->  Hello Nancy and Doug
 21:02:11  DougS ->  yessir re stream
 21:02:13  CathyE ->  Hey all!
 21:02:30  DougS ->  Hi Cathy, and Durff, and Bill
 21:02:36  bill ->  hello, all
 21:02:52  lee ->  Hi Cathy..Durff
 21:02:53  Durff ->  Hi Doug. Audio on A?
 21:02:57  CathyE ->  stream is good
 21:02:59  Durff ->  Hi Lee
 21:03:01  DougS ->  that's right
 21:03:36  DougS ->  enter this in skype
 21:03:37  DougS ->  +99001110023750634
 21:03:49  DougS ->  to join the skypecast
 21:03:50  Durff ->  We can Skype?
 21:04:23  DougS ->  don't forget to turn off the stream (iTunes, et al.) before joining the 'cast
 21:04:46  Durff ->  I did
 21:04:53  Durff ->  choppy
 21:05:04  PaulAllison ->  Troy...can you skype worldbridges
 21:05:11  DougS ->  it's good audio on channel A Lisa
 21:05:35  hickstro ->  I will be on in few minutes...
 21:06:07  Durff ->  I'm in Skype - always better for me
 21:06:12  DougS ->  cool
 21:07:08  DougS ->  wooo hooo for DrupalEd
 21:07:11  Durff ->  Stupid Question #33215978 = Could my headset shock me?
 21:07:16  DougS ->  nice work there Bill
 21:07:27  Durff ->  as in electrical
 21:07:54  hickstro ->  I am on and in Skype, too. Thanks for your patience...
 21:08:18  PaulAllison ->  http://www.google.com/notebook/public/04358793573726113227/BDQOrSwoQvoiP...
 21:10:48  jeff ->  in case anyone is interested in desktop sharing during tonight's discussion, the Yugma is at: http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=110889109
 21:13:21  cheryloakes wow2 ->  I love being on vacation.
 21:13:45  DougS ->  haha good for you Cheryl
 21:13:59  cheryloakes wow2 ->  I even got my podcasts up and running this morning.
 21:14:06  Durff ->  where Cheryl?
 21:14:11  DougS ->  I sae that, most impressive
 21:14:14  DougS ->  saw
 21:14:22  cheryloakes wow2 ->  at edtechtalk, hi Durff, Lisa
 21:14:52  DougS ->  let's have a link to Paul's joomla
 21:15:02  Durff ->  hi cheryl - where are you?
 21:15:10  CathyE ->  http://my.nycwp.net/
 21:15:12  cheryloakes wow2 ->  I am in Wells, ME
 21:15:20  PaulAllison ->  For links for tonight (some of them): http://www.google.com/notebook/public/04358793573726113227/BDQOrSwoQvoiP...
 21:15:25  Durff ->  but on vacation
 21:15:35  Durff ->  unfair
 21:16:39  cheryloakes wow2 ->  I mean I am not at school this week, headed back to the mountain to ski we have had 95 in. of snow since april 1, 41 inches since last Thurs.
 21:17:00  Durff ->  have fun!
 21:17:04  DougS ->  make a couple of runs for me Cheryl
 21:17:17  Durff ->  is Joomla like Twitter or Jaiku?
 21:17:30  Nancy B ->  no, not at all
 21:17:35  DougS ->  it's another content management system (cms)
 21:17:40  Nancy B ->  Joomla is a CMS
 21:17:43  Nancy B ->  what doug said
 21:17:44  Nancy B ->  lol
 21:18:03  Nancy B ->  i dumped my twitter account
 21:18:04  Durff ->  sounds complicated - like a weekend project
 21:18:18  Madeline_Here ->  what do you think of Jaiku?
 21:18:28  Durff ->  I like Jaiku
 21:18:31  Nancy B ->  joomla is basically back-end stuff for bringing content to your group
 21:18:45  Durff ->  and some are cross-posting from Twiter
 21:18:47  Madeline_Here ->  What are the differences between twitter and jaiku?
 21:18:55  Nancy B ->  my feeling about jaiku and twitter is that they are both non-produvtive uses of my time
 21:18:57  Madeline_Here ->  twitter, I know
 21:18:57  bill ->  This is the code we have tested most heavily -- http://drupaled.alphabetademo.org/files/drupaled-5.1-1.zip
 21:19:08  Madeline_Here ->  oh, Nancy....
 21:19:15  Durff ->  I think Jaiku has more options
 21:19:37  Nancy B ->  oh, madeline
 21:19:58  Madeline_Here ->  ;)
 21:20:15  Nancy B ->  im totally digging trailfire now
 21:20:23  Nancy B ->  ive made three trails so far i think'
 21:20:24  Madeline_Here ->  Hey, Nancy, did you notice that trailfire is wiki enabled?
 21:20:28  Nancy B ->  http://trailfire.com
 21:20:36  Nancy B ->  yeah i noticed that when i first signed up
 21:20:37  Nancy B ->  lol
 21:20:42  Nancy B ->  its one of the sharing options
 21:21:24  Madeline_Here ->  anyone using trailfire in education should let me know, I'll add you to a google doc we are sharing with the developers.
 21:21:44  Madeline_Here ->  trailfire developers want to improve it for educations
 21:21:44  lee ->  Hello Madeline
 21:21:54  Nancy B ->  we thought about using  it asa classroom presentation tool with smartboard
 21:21:59  Nancy B ->  not so much for the kids to use
 21:22:01  PaulAllison ->  Madeline skype worldbridges to talk about trailfire
 21:22:06  Nancy B ->  since we dont have 1 to 1 computer access
 21:22:32  Madeline_Here ->  Hi Lee, my I noticed your students are blogging a lot about the VT incident. It's powerful to read all their posts today.
 21:22:49  bill ->  this tarball is what we will be distributing after a few more test installs: http://drupaled.alphabetademo.org/files/drupaled-5.1-1.tar.gz
 21:23:36  Durff ->  yes madeline that would be interesting
 21:24:21  lee ->  Yes, Madeline, they are full of emotion and not expressing it
 21:24:23  Durff ->  Sounding Boards for the Horizon Project welcome!
 21:24:56  DougS ->  Bill, thanks for the "sneak peek" at DrupalEd--very kind of you
 21:25:27  lee ->  .. the blogging at personallearningspace has really helped them talk without saying anything in the normal school atmosphere.. a big help!
 21:25:46  Durff ->  http://horizonproject.wikispaces.com
 21:28:07  Durff ->  how do other educators use RSS and tags in their classrooms?
 21:28:18  Madeline_Here ->  Lee, I wonder if that is good. I can feel that they are angry and scared. it comes through in the writing.
 21:29:17  hickstro ->  I agree with Paul and think that the site's site as a learning space is an important part of web presence.
 21:29:58  jeff ->  http://trailfire.com/
 21:30:11  lee ->  No it is not good Madeline
 21:30:55  lee ->  but at least they are finding one way to start acknowledging their feelings since they dont seem willing to start right up about it
 21:31:54  DougS ->  indeed Lee, being able to talk about the impact of trauma is an important part of healing
 21:32:01  cheryloakes wow2 ->  I would like to join the google doc and see the options for trailfire and education
 21:32:16  lee ->  we have alot of things planned as a school to approach this incident which included the victims and/or people involved with the univ.
 21:33:15  Durff ->  Our history teacher's ex-wife works one floor above the shootings and he went there
 21:33:25  lee ->  I mean which is with those folks via tv and
 21:33:48  lee ->  other connections
 21:34:36  Madeline_Here ->  http://trailfire.com/mbrownstone
 21:36:10  jeff ->  Glad you made it Russ
 21:36:22  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  Thanks Jeff...enjoying it thus far
 21:36:23  jeff ->  able to listen in OK?
 21:36:36  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  yeah...missed the beginning, who are you speaking with?
 21:36:55  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  sorry...about that
 21:37:23  alexr ->  Bill -- Can you please put up the list again?
 21:37:26  jeff ->  Paul is speaking with a number of Writing Project folks - I'm silently streaming, playing with twitter and checking out links... and tempted to install Bill's new drupal tarball now
 21:37:46  lee ->  yes me too Jeff
 21:37:49  lee ->  Thanks Bill
 21:38:11  jeff ->  Desktop sharing Yugma at: Cathy's doing a fine job at the yugma helm
 21:38:19  Durff ->  twitter is addictive!
 21:38:26  jeff ->  if anyone else wants the desktop, let me know
 21:38:51  Madeline_Here ->  http://trailfire.com/12albertoc   a 7th grader's first trailfire. She fancies herself a history buff and is reading Anne Frank.
 21:39:13  CathyE ->  Please--show us bill
 21:39:21  Durff ->  you joined the Jaiku and forgot us sir
 21:39:23  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  I need a support group for twitter...
 21:39:24  Nancy B ->  http://trailfire.com/nbrodsky
 21:39:33  Nancy B ->  what is the point of twitter?
 21:39:41  Nancy B ->  do we need to keep tabs on each other at all times?
 21:39:47  Nancy B ->  or on people we dont know even know...
 21:39:48  Nancy B ->  lol
 21:39:53  CathyE ->  Bill needs the Yugma
 21:39:57  Durff ->  it's fun
 21:40:01  lee ->  Yes..
 21:40:12  Durff ->  we need fun
 21:40:18  Nancy B ->  well it was fun at first
 21:40:28  Durff ->  still is
 21:40:33  bill ->  http://drupaled.alphabetademo.org/files/drupaled-5.1-1.tar.gz
 21:40:39  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  I have gotten that question alot nancy
 21:40:40  Nancy B ->  then it became one more thing to waste cell phone minutes on and one more social networking thing to tabs on
 21:40:43  qdsouza ->  twitter is networking
 21:40:53  qdsouza ->  twitter is fun
 21:40:55  jeff ->  Twitter - need to, no. But there seems to be interest in being able to ping buddies quickly and efficiently
 21:41:00  qdsouza ->  twitter is for everyone
 21:41:08  CathyE ->  I think Bill needs to show us those Easy STEPS
 21:41:19  Nancy B ->  the fact that twitter has no search function annoyed me
 21:41:22  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  for me, it's the most useful link on keeping track of new and exciting things happening that I don't get without looking at yahoo news or whatever
 21:41:29  Nancy B ->  id ont want to twitter with random strangers
 21:41:35  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  so when people post new technologies
 21:41:37  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  or websites
 21:41:40  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  I can link right in...
 21:41:42  Nancy B ->  i want to twitter with bloggers i read and/or know
 21:41:53  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  ideally it's how I've found interesting things like edtechtalk and other links
 21:42:13  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  without it...doubt I'd be "in the loop" with other podcasters
 21:42:14  jeff ->  Any reports of what teens think of twittering?
 21:42:21  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  haven't heard
 21:42:30  qdsouza ->  http://google.com/coop/cse?cx=004053080137224009376%3Aicdh3tsqkzy Twitter search
 21:42:33  jeff ->  Any comparable tool for the teen set?
 21:42:40  bettycollum ->  How can you print out what has been written in the chat room? I would like to investigate all the links?
 21:42:59  qdsouza ->  MSN
 21:43:05  jeff ->  We sometime post entire chat logs
 21:43:05  Nancy B ->  betty, i think you can just look at the chat log, after this chat wraps up?
 21:43:11  qdsouza ->  but asychcronous
 21:43:20  PaulAllison ->  We can post this one.
 21:43:22  jeff ->  if not, you can highlight everything, copy and paste into another application
 21:43:38  bettycollum ->  ok, thanks
 21:43:45  Nancy B ->  that search function is handy!
 21:43:52  Nancy B ->  but im still not going back to twitter
 21:43:53  Nancy B ->  lol
 21:43:58  Nancy B ->  i got enough going on
 21:44:30  jeff ->  resistance is futile
 21:44:34  jeff ->  :)
 21:44:38  Nancy B ->  lol
 21:44:39  qdsouza ->  :-:
 21:44:43  qdsouza ->  :-)
 21:44:47  Nancy B ->  i just joined facebook
 21:44:48  hickstro ->  Right, and this was our problem, too. Spreading ourselves too thin.
 21:44:59  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  hehehe...I get your point nancy...I tried to go the Jaiku route...but it was a bit of a pain
 21:45:22  Nancy B ->  yeah so i dumped myspace, i dumped a bunch of other things
 21:45:28  Nancy B ->  and tried to streamline my web presence
 21:45:45  Nancy B ->  that is all shot to heck now that ive joined facebook and im using trailfire
 21:46:30  hickstro ->  The problem for us, now, is that our "official" site is not the site that TCs really identify with, despite our best efforts to make it a space for social networking and site work. Our wiki has become that space instead.
 21:46:32  qdsouza ->  Twaiku allows you to simultaneously post to Twitter and Jaiku.
 21:46:59  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  how about that...does twaiku work with any messengers...in the manner that google talk does?
 21:47:18  qdsouza ->  http://www.bwana.org/2007/04/09/twaiku/
 21:47:31  Nancy B ->  well twitter works with AIM, so i imagine the twaiku...
 21:47:59  Durff ->  Twaiku?
 21:48:06  hickstro ->  Right, Paul. So, do we have an "official" site that we share on our business cards and another "unofficial" one that we actually use?
 21:48:27  hickstro ->  If so, then how "public" do we want our "informal" space to be?
 21:48:32  jeff ->  Troy, I think you're unmuted if you want to chime in
 21:49:09  hickstro ->  Jeff - OK, I think I am unmuted on my end, too.
 21:49:41  hickstro ->  How to you "regain" presence once it is dissipated?
 21:50:09  hickstro ->  That is, how can I get people back from Blogger and on to our "official" blog?
 21:50:09  jeff ->  Troy gets my vote for questioner of the night
 21:50:10  qdsouza ->  then talk offline
 21:50:17  Nancy B ->  well if you never really remove yoursel from the interweb
 21:50:20  hickstro ->  Thanks, Jeff.
 21:50:25  Nancy B ->  its not hard to regain presence
 21:50:32  Nancy B ->  oh
 21:50:35  qdsouza ->  love that term meatspace- cyberpunk
 21:50:53  Nancy B ->  meatspace?
 21:50:57  DougS ->  I thought it was meetspace
 21:51:34  bill ->  re: That is, how can I get people back from Blogger and on to our "official" blog? -- syndicate the feeds -- when they see they get more comments from the WP site, they'll be back
 21:51:38  qdsouza ->  opps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatspace
 21:52:01  Nancy B ->  ah, meat as in flesh and blood bodies
 21:52:02  Nancy B ->  lol
 21:52:05  qdsouza ->  I'm multitasking badly
 21:52:06  hickstro ->  http://rcwp.msu.edu/
 21:52:08  Nancy B ->  gotcha
 21:52:14  DougS ->  it's all good
 21:52:23  hickstro ->  http://redcedarwritingproject.blogspot.com/
 21:52:36  hickstro ->  http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/red_cedar_writing_project/red_cedar_writing...
 21:52:44  hickstro ->  http://rcwp.wikispaces.com/
 21:54:40  hickstro ->  And here is our "official" blog: http://rcwp.msu.edu/blog/
 21:55:02  hickstro ->  Right! So, how do you get out of beta?
 21:55:35  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  guys gotta bail
 21:55:40  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  got a kid in the bath
 21:55:45  jeff ->  glad you could join in
 21:55:45  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  later and thanks for including me
 21:55:50  Russ @ Take2Podcast ->  ditto...later jeff
 21:56:03  qdsouza ->  create a PLE of the feeds
 21:56:06  cheryloakes wow2 ->  over and out
 21:56:12  hickstro ->  PLE?
 21:56:28  bill ->  it's never too late to have a planned rollout!
 21:56:39  qdsouza ->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Learning_Environment
 21:57:38  hickstro ->  Interestingly enough, despite the fact that our new site is supposed to be "dynamic" and has many TCs who can add content now, it is still kind of static. I am just as guilty of that as anyone else, but I find it kind of odd that now that we have this dynamic site we still end up with quite a bit of static content.
 21:58:40  qdsouza ->  change is hard
 21:58:50  qdsouza ->  Shi-f-t Happens!
 21:58:55  qdsouza ->  :D
 21:58:57  hickstro ->  Thanks for the PLE link. Is ELGG considered a PLE, too?
 21:59:24  DougS ->  I think that they kinda "invented" PLE
 21:59:27  DougS ->  elgg that is
 21:59:29  qdsouza ->  A PLE is based on your needs and will change
 22:00:05  bill ->  RE the PLE: not really -- that honor goes to wordpress
 22:00:17  qdsouza ->  Konrad's doing a presentation on it soon - http://twitter.com/teachandlearn/
 22:00:21  DougS ->  really, thanks Bill
 22:00:22  Nancy B ->  ok all im audi
 22:00:25  Nancy B ->  have a good night
 22:00:44  hickstro ->  There is also the question of whether or not a teacher has the opportunity and ability to use the tool that the site chooses -- say Joomla -- in thier own school. If everyone can access Edublogs, for instance, is there some good rationale for creating a site-based Edublog for people to play in while the "official" homepage serves the official purposes for advertising and archiving institutional memory?
 22:00:50  alexr ->  From twitter: twitter: acarvin: Bye-baya, Sanjaya!
 22:00:51  jeff ->  'night Nancy
 22:01:02  hickstro ->  Then, they know how to use Edublogs in their own classroom, too.
 22:02:25  hickstro ->  Felicia makes a good point about what sites want in their websites. To what extent should those of us with some tech know-how encourage and support people to move to more interactive web presences as we watch the field of edtech move that way?
 22:02:51  DougS ->  here's an interesting screencast that Brian Lamb put together for distributed publishing on the web
 22:02:52  DougS ->  http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/brian/archives/037636.php
 22:03:21  qdsouza ->  we rolled out Community Server to our district - 8000 teachers - and it is barely used - but there were concerns - so it was placed on our intranet - not as useful - and not ready for change
 22:04:17  qdsouza ->  Same thing used on Alan Novembers community
 22:04:41  hickstro ->  I am OK for tonight. Thanks, Paul, and everyone.
 22:04:47  hickstro ->  Good night.
 22:04:51  qdsouza ->  http://communityserver.org/
 22:04:56  qdsouza ->  good night
 22:05:03  qdsouza ->  sorry I came in late
 22:05:04  alexr ->  thanks all!
 22:05:08  bettycollum ->  good night all
 22:05:18  DougS ->  yes, thanks everbody!
 22:05:27  lee ->  good night Betty
 22:05:31  qdsouza ->  environment
 22:05:36  Durff ->  Visit The Intern Show 9:30am Sat EST here at Worldbridges
 22:05:38  lee ->  night doug
 22:06:08  qdsouza ->  that was funny - ditch a few
 22:06:45  Durff ->  what is a community server quentin?\
 22:06:49  Madeline_Here ->  Good Night all....z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-:?
 22:06:58  bill ->  cheers, all --
 22:07:07  Durff ->  night, bill
 22:07:10  jeff ->  Bon Apetit Bill
 22:07:18  bill ->  the halibut awaits!
 22:07:22  Durff ->  Guten Appetit
 22:07:43  CathyE ->  Jeff- did you install it?
 22:07:54  jeff ->  not yet
 22:08:03  jeff ->  I'm a slacker tonight
 22:08:22  lee ->  Thanks Jeff
 22:08:28  Durff ->  don;t believe it - you never slck off
 22:08:34  Durff ->  slack
 22:09:01  Durff ->  Guten Nacht
 22:09:10  CathyE ->  Jeff- we will be expecting a report tomorrow :)
 22:09:14  qdsouza ->  I'm listening
 22:09:16  PaulAllison ->  So... Friday 8:45 - 9:15 ?
 22:09:24  PaulAllison ->  10:30 - 11:00
 22:09:25  jeff ->  roger that
 22:09:33  PaulAllison ->  11:35 - 12:05?
 22:09:37  lee ->  yes Paul
 22:09:44  jeff ->  Paul & Lee would you like to reconnect quickly?
 22:09:45  lee ->  SEe you all then!
 22:09:46  qdsouza ->  I missed quite a bit
 22:09:48  lee ->  ok
 22:09:56  PaulAllison ->  sure
 22:10:43  qdsouza ->  btw- I found out about this event through twitter :-D
 22:11:27  Feliciag ->  I guess I'm too late and everyone has just signed off.
 22:12:11  Madeline_Here ->  felicia, I'm still here :-)
 22:12:15  Feliciag ->  I just figured out where the chat room was and how to listen to the broadcast live.
 22:12:31  Madeline_Here ->  Oh, it's quite a task to talk and type at the same time.
 22:12:45  Feliciag ->  Hi Madeline.  I am really impressed with what you are doing with your students.
 22:12:49  Madeline_Here ->  Of course Susan and Paul are quite adept.
 22:13:02  Madeline_Here ->  thank you.
 22:13:24  Feliciag ->  I had a hard time following a lot of this conversation and the tour that Paul set up on the nycwp site didn't work for me.
 22:13:56  Madeline_Here ->  when you say it did not work, what do you mean? The technology failed or the effort at communication did not work?
 22:14:56  Feliciag ->  I guess the technology failed because nothing happened except that I was taken to another page which flicked on the screen and then it went back to the home page.
 22:15:42  Madeline_Here ->  Did Paul explain that you need to use a FireFox browser AND load the Trailfire extention?
 22:16:17  DougS ->  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3524
 22:16:29  Madeline_Here ->  Maybe I should try it in another browser and see if I have the same experience.
 22:16:46  Feliciag ->  No.  I was using Mozilla which I believe is a firefox browser but I didn't know about loading the extention.  I'll try it again tomorrow.
 22:17:24  Madeline_Here ->  That will do the trick. Be sure to fully quit the Mozilla browser and then launch again to activate the extension.
 22:18:01  Feliciag ->  Thanks Madeline.  I won't keep you any longer.  I'm going to get ready to log out.
 22:18:11  Madeline_Here ->  me too...good night