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21st Century Learning #82 Tom DaccordTom Daccord

October 30, 2008

Tom Daccord joined us this week to discuss "The Great Debate of
2008" project.  An interesting coversation about using Wikis and NINGs
to facilitate online interactions between students at schools around
the country.  

Next Thursday, November 6th. 2008 at 2:30 EST we'll be doing a NEIT 2008 preview show.   See you there.

 

Click Here for the Chat Transcript

2008-10-30 14:11:05 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Just watching right now. Can't be active
2008-10-30 14:11:39 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: thanks.  Feed me questions, vinnie!
2008-10-30 14:11:58 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: What was genisus of project
2008-10-30 14:12:10 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: What has been the initial feedback
2008-10-30 14:13:22 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: What surprised him about the project, both positive and negative?
2008-10-30 14:13:31 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Lessons to be learned from the process?
2008-10-30 14:14:25 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Elizabeth. Glad you could join us
2008-10-30 14:14:27 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: @vvrotny -- not Thomas on Skype yet. 
2008-10-30 14:14:37 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Can you shoot him an email?
2008-10-30 14:14:53 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: Hi vinnie and alex!
2008-10-30 14:14:56 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: sure. you also have his cell
2008-10-30 14:15:04 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: sent it via skype
2008-10-30 14:15:16 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: OK -- Great.
2008-10-30 14:15:20 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Got ya. 
2008-10-30 14:15:24 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: I'll call him there.
2008-10-30 14:17:47 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: We've got him.
2008-10-30 14:17:57 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi all
2008-10-30 14:18:03 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi elizabeth
2008-10-30 14:18:32 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: he arvind
2008-10-30 14:18:35 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: hi
2008-10-30 14:21:28 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hey matt!
2008-10-30 14:21:42 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: hey arvind, liz, alex, vinnie
2008-10-30 14:21:58 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: hi matt..
2008-10-30 14:23:06 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Hey folks.
2008-10-30 14:23:43 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Quick chat room poll: If you have a choice between uStream and the ETT stream.  What do you prefer?
2008-10-30 14:23:59 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Pre-show conversation right now.
2008-10-30 14:24:31 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: really don't care.
2008-10-30 14:24:35 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: fyi...only getting audio from alex on ustream
2008-10-30 14:24:45 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: me too Matt
2008-10-30 14:24:48 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: ustream can get wonky
2008-10-30 14:25:13 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: Jeff Lebow never seems to have a problem with ustream, but then again he is the webcasting kungfu master
2008-10-30 14:25:37 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: jeff lebow = webcasting yoda
2008-10-30 14:26:32 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: we are having all sorts of converations about facebook being disruptive here at school, especially ahead of our 1:1 program
2008-10-30 14:26:38 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: it is ustream only
2008-10-30 14:26:43 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Hey all, welcome
2008-10-30 14:26:43 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: shoutcast is fine
2008-10-30 14:26:50 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: they have to know about what's appropriate and what's not in class
2008-10-30 14:26:59 [Message] Bill Campbell -> -EdTechTalk: Media Player stream is fine.
2008-10-30 14:27:01 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: we don't filter
2008-10-30 14:27:06 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: how about teachers during meetings, they're even worse!
2008-10-30 14:27:20 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: weird al
2008-10-30 14:27:26 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: good call alex!!!
2008-10-30 14:28:20 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Hey matt, then you will enjoy the rest of the fall conversations hear. We have Scott McLeod, Curt Johnson, one of the authors of Disruptive Class, and Pat Bassett
2008-10-30 14:28:34 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: good stuff vinnie!
2008-10-30 14:28:42 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: no, great stuff
2008-10-30 14:29:14 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: YODA thing about JL!!
2008-10-30 14:29:34 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: and the weird al yank YODA/LOLA thing
2008-10-30 14:31:00 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: the camera setting wanted to auto shut off..
2008-10-30 14:32:34 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: We didn't pay Tom for that 21st Century Learning comment:)
2008-10-30 14:32:49 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Love the Yoda paradigm.
2008-10-30 14:32:56 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: My kids are totoally into it. 
2008-10-30 14:33:06 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: http://greatdebate2008.wikispaces.com
2008-10-30 14:33:11 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Elizabeth -- that was awesome.  Thanks again.
2008-10-30 14:33:20 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: http://greatdebate2008.ning.com
2008-10-30 14:34:07 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: This would be a great process with Kids Voting
2008-10-30 14:35:06 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: the audio is cuting in and out
2008-10-30 14:35:08 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: 136 members.
2008-10-30 14:35:13 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Just got it going again.
2008-10-30 14:35:15 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks.
2008-10-30 14:35:20 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: thx way better
2008-10-30 14:35:25 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Great.
2008-10-30 14:35:39 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: @momcginn -- where are you from?
2008-10-30 14:35:46 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: Prescott Arizona
2008-10-30 14:36:11 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: I work in global corporate leadership development
2008-10-30 14:36:26 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks for joining.
2008-10-30 14:37:02 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: I am very interested in developing learning networks between corporate and education spheres
2008-10-30 14:37:12 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: love what  you guys are doing.
2008-10-30 14:37:32 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: Talked about EdTechTalk at Texas Instruments yesterday
2008-10-30 14:37:47 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Wow.  Thanks. 
2008-10-30 14:37:52 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: That's awesome. 
2008-10-30 14:38:00 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: cool, momcginn! anyone over there we should talk to?
2008-10-30 14:38:09 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: Hmm.
2008-10-30 14:38:21 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: We just booked Curt Johnson, author of Disrupting Class in early December.
2008-10-30 14:38:42 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: I mentioned that book to them based on the last conversation.
2008-10-30 14:38:54 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Excellent.
2008-10-30 14:39:36 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Demetri!
2008-10-30 14:39:40 [Message] demetri -> -EdTechTalk: hey there
2008-10-30 14:39:43 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: I will send a link to a few that really lit up sharing the date of Curt's show with you
2008-10-30 14:39:43 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi demetri, how goes it?
2008-10-30 14:40:00 [Message] demetri -> -EdTechTalk: finally got access to your site here at work
2008-10-30 14:40:06 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Great.
2008-10-30 14:40:09 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks @momcginn
2008-10-30 14:40:11 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Demetri!
2008-10-30 14:40:12 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Curt will be here December 4th
2008-10-30 14:40:18 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Demetri
2008-10-30 14:40:20 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: xcellent
2008-10-30 14:40:47 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: A Student created a video about abortion. 
2008-10-30 14:41:13 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Also have Scott McLeod in two weeks!
2008-10-30 14:41:32 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: He did a k12 online presentation on disrupting class
2008-10-30 14:41:51 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: I have a friend in Bosnia working to establish Kids Voting as part of an NGO to support grass roots democracy.  This streaming conversation on collaboration will interest them.
2008-10-30 14:42:44 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: @momcginn: http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=344
2008-10-30 14:44:34 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Questions for Tom?
2008-10-30 14:45:02 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: from a learner's standpoint, consistency helps...
2008-10-30 14:45:06 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: our district policy only allows STUDENTS to use Gaggle, because it's "safe"
2008-10-30 14:45:29 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: we're trying to all use wikispaces, just to simplify things...if everyone is using their own wiki tools, for example, it gets a bit chaotic
2008-10-30 14:45:29 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: @michelle -- sorry about that.
2008-10-30 14:45:55 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: We're trying to hold the line on Moodle and our SIS to keep usernames down to a minimum. 
2008-10-30 14:45:58 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: consistency is an interesting concept in schools where often each teacher has their own grading model, their own style of worksheets, tests, handouts, notes, etc. is there real consistency just because the school uses Moodle, WetPaint, etc?
2008-10-30 14:46:04 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: we have a fair amount of info anarchy going on...some teachers using Firstclass conferences, some legacy websites, wiki whativer, moodle, blogs, ridicoulous
2008-10-30 14:46:14 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: But our PLP cohort is getting all types of accounts.  So I feel like I'm going in two directions.
2008-10-30 14:46:19 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I'm not saying we all need to b doing the same thing, but we do need to standardize a bit
2008-10-30 14:46:24 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: usernames is a pain, we try to go with things that support LDAP integration, but that right there is a huge limiting factor which ideally, wouldn't be there
2008-10-30 14:46:32 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: and we're using everything - going with transference of skills ..and if you get involved with external collaborations, you have to sacrifice standardization
2008-10-30 14:46:52 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: definitely
2008-10-30 14:47:00 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: definitely to ehelfant
2008-10-30 14:47:00 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: @arvind we're trying to move away from LDAP and go to Active Directory for that same reason
2008-10-30 14:47:16 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: we've tried to standardize workflows - this is how you submit work electronically, this is where you get homeowrk
2008-10-30 14:48:08 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: we use active directory, but plug into it via ldap @michelle baldwin
2008-10-30 14:48:50 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: When we set up accounts for kids on external sites we use a google form and have them submit their username and the email they registered under
2008-10-30 14:48:52 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: @arvind working with three platforms on server-- they're trying to get all of it to work.
2008-10-30 14:49:18 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: elizabeth, great idea!
2008-10-30 14:49:31 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: We've got our AD, SIS and Moodle all working nicely through LDAP.
2008-10-30 14:49:57 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: we have mediawiki and wordpress mu going through ldap
2008-10-30 14:49:59 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: how many of your districts restrict student use of external sites, like Blogger, Wikispaces?
2008-10-30 14:50:01 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: same here Alex
2008-10-30 14:50:14 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: looking at moodle and mahara integration
2008-10-30 14:50:20 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: we use wikispaces a bit, but use self-hosted Wordpress MU (moved away from blogger)
2008-10-30 14:50:36 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Many school districts do, Michelle.  arvind, Vinnie and I all work in Independnent Schools so we have some more flexibility.
2008-10-30 14:50:45 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: but now Google Docs is snowballing out of control! trying to work on single sign-on with Google Apps. now that's a pain
2008-10-30 14:51:08 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: @Alex it's really frustrating... not sure how to help them move past that policy
2008-10-30 14:51:53 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: Laura Deisly is trying a DebateAsia wiki collaboration that could be cool.. its in its infancy
2008-10-30 14:52:22 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: @Michelle -- Oh, yeah.  I can't imagine being stuck behind such a firewall all day
2008-10-30 14:52:22 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: @Michelle definitely a tough one. Connecting to people at other districts who've had success might help your district trust in their experiences
2008-10-30 14:52:25 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: @ehelfant that would be really cool. THanks for sharing.
2008-10-30 14:53:12 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: got a link for that last English class comment?
2008-10-30 14:53:22 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: http://edtechteacher.org
2008-10-30 14:53:25 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @alex...our school bradned GDocs network is going nuts as well
2008-10-30 14:53:34 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.besthistorysites.net/
2008-10-30 14:53:36 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: fab
2008-10-30 14:53:47 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: http://tewt.org
2008-10-30 14:53:51 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: http://thwt.org
2008-10-30 14:53:56 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: We are movign to Google Apps over Thanksgiving. Pushed off from the summer
2008-10-30 14:54:25 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: Vinnie, people seem to LOVE it here
2008-10-30 14:54:26 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Being a GCT, I have many great things to say about this transition
2008-10-30 14:54:30 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: great..we can get the Texas Instruments EdTech calculator group involved
2008-10-30 14:54:48 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: in the sciencetech talks
2008-10-30 14:54:57 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, Tom
2008-10-30 14:55:04 [Message] demetri -> -EdTechTalk: thanks guys
2008-10-30 14:55:06 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, everyone
2008-10-30 14:55:11 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: great job
2008-10-30 14:55:17 [Message] Michelle Baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, Alex, Arvind, & Vinnie!
2008-10-30 14:55:23 [Message] momcginn -> -EdTechTalk: Ciao
2008-10-30 14:55:24 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for being here everyone!
2008-10-30 14:55:52 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: thanks all!
2008-10-30 14:56:07 [Message] ehelfant -> -EdTechTalk: see you next week!
2008-10-30 14:56:09 [Message] demetri -> -EdTechTalk: ciao
2008-10-30 14:57:30 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks everyone!