Show #124 Online Education for Dummies with Susan Manning and Kevin Johnson
Women of Web 3 #124 Online Education for Dummies with Susan Manning and Kevin Johnson
This was a wonderful conversation with the co-authors of "Online Education for Dummies," Susan Manning and Kevin Johnson. Due to some technical difficulties with the stream on EdTechTalk, we hosted this session on Elluminate which gave us an opportunity to see some of their online resources and book excerpts as they shared some of their best tips and advice about online education. We were also able to involve participants in a brainstorming session on the whiteboard about criteria for a successful online experience. You can listen to the audio recording on EdTechTalk or view the full Elluminate recording here . Their website has excerpts from their book including a wonderful "cheat sheet" to help students decide if online education is for them.: http://online4dummies.weebly.com/ The cheat sheet provides tips for evaluating online programs and habits of successful online students among other suggestions.
Link to full Elluminate recording of this session:
https://sas.elluminate.com/site/external/jwsdetect/playback.jnlp?psid=20...
Chat: May 2, 2010
00:14 - Peggy George
takes a second to get the recording started :-)
00:21 - Susan Manning
Kevin do you have that photo?
00:25 - Susan Manning
of dummies book cover
00:29 - Peggy George
I'm very excited to hear from Susan and Kevin!!
00:46 - Peggy George
I got to hear their interview with Steve Hargadon on Future of Education and it was outstanding!
01:07 - Susan Manning
I'm glad you got to hear that, Peggy!
01:09 - Susan Manning
yup
01:21 - Peggy George
even listened to it twice :-)
01:53 - Kevin Johnson
02:57 - Peggy George
love that!! caught the fire!! :-)
03:19 - Susan Manning
03:28 - Susan Manning
he was 5
03:57 - Peggy George
Welcome Maureen and Jen--so glad you found us!
04:01 - Sharon Peters
LOL, really?
04:12 - cheri.toledo
that's great
04:21 - Peggy George
online learning has opened so many possibilities!!
04:48 - Peggy George
what a great story!!
05:35 - Peggy George
isn't that such a wonderful thing that you can co-teach with people from anywhere??!!
05:42 - Kevin Johnson
06:00 - Peggy George
feel free to bring anything up in web tour you would like
06:10 - Kevin Johnson
Good evening Jen, Maureen, mslaneeus, and Nick
06:20 - mslaneeus
Good evening.
06:31 - Peggy George
Welcome Nick!!
06:49 - Sharon Peters
Hi Nick, great to have you with us tonight
06:56 - cheri.toledo
Yea, he made it
07:47 - Sharon Peters
I am taking an online course right now - to get me ready to teach the IB programme at my new school; and I also have some questions about motivation and dealing with online inertia....
08:02 - Peggy George
are any of them open courses that anyone can participate in?
08:13 - cheri.toledo
YEA!!
08:29 - Susan Manning
http://www.uwstout.edu/soe/profdev/
08:51 - Sharon Peters
Yeah, I have some questions about online courses that such institutions such as MIT sponsor....
08:55 - Susan Manning
The UW Stout courses are for credit and cost. The ION courses also cost, but if you're a member school, it is significantly decreased.
09:47 - Peggy George
thanks Susan
10:06 - Sharon Peters
It depends on the teacher...
10:06 - Peggy George
great answer--it depends :-)
10:35 - Maureen (bcdtech)
Good question... personally I like blended courses better than just online. I like to actually meet people f2f once in a while.
11:10 - Peggy George
@Maureen--many people think that is the best alternative--blended learning with both online and f2f
11:28 - cheri.toledo
@Maureen - the synchronous tools can give you that blended experience
12:02 - Maureen (bcdtech)
@Peggy- I do learn a lot from online courses, but really feel more connected when I have a chance to actually meet the people involved
12:11 - Peggy George
they were just talking about accreditation for online courses tonight in EdTechWeekly :-)
12:35 - Peggy George
Hi Joyce! So glad you found us!!
12:49 - Kevin Johnson
Hi Joyce
14:21 - cheri.toledo
Yes, I've heard that too
14:30 - Peggy George
yes that happens so often with online courses and webinars!
14:55 - Peggy George
someone in the room said only seat time or university hours count for their re-certification
15:07 - Peggy George
Welcome seani!!
15:39 - Peggy George
good way to describe it--getting a little messy out there :-)
17:15 - Peggy George
http://www.uwstout.edu/soe/profdev/
17:18 - cheri.toledo
@Peggy - let's put up a whiteboard
17:37 - Peggy George
you've got it :-)
17:59 - Peggy George
this will be a fun variation for WOW 3!
19:47 - Peggy George
great list!! thanks everyone!!
20:06 - Peggy George
now it's your turn Susan and Kevin!!
20:36 - Peggy George
student to student work is so important--not all learning comes from the instructor!
20:51 - Peggy George
yes MEDIA!! and so much easier to share it online :-)
21:34 - Maureen (bcdtech)
How about making sure the instructor keeps up with the work as well... I took a course where the instructor rarely commented, and got behind
21:41 - Peggy George
great points Susan!!
21:45 - Kevin Johnson
http://www.ion.uillinois.edu/initiatives/qoci/index.asp
21:48 - Maureen (bcdtech)
Yes, presence is so important
21:49 - Peggy George
is this in your book???? :-)
22:29 - Susan Manning
It is kind of in the book, but subtly....if you read between the lines we say this is what makes an awesome course
22:51 - Susan Manning
the book is really written for adults who have to take courses and don't have a clue
23:09 - Maureen (bcdtech)
How about multiple ways to complete the assignments?
23:11 - Kevin Johnson
Another great resource:http://www.qualitymatters.org/rubric.htm
23:15 - Kevin Johnson
http://www.qualitymatters.org/rubric.htm
23:18 - Peggy George
tell us more about why someone interested in online courses should read your book :-)
25:23 - Peggy George
http://online4dummies.weebly.com/
25:30 - Sharon Peters
Excellent advice!
25:43 - Peggy George
I love the Dummies books!! Great way to learn!!
26:00 - Sharon Peters
How pertinent do you think your book could be for educators and learners in developing nations? Do you think it could cross cultures?
26:12 - Peggy George
you can go straight to what you need and don't have to read the entire book!!
27:08 - Peggy George
great strategy to read the book from the student perspective to evaluate it
27:34 - cheri.toledo
Would the principles in the book transfer to other learning delivery; e.g., mobile learning
28:11 - Peggy George
Moodle now has a mobile learning app :-)
28:15 - mslaneeus
Is this book meant for online students in the U.S.? Or is there information for Canadian students too?
28:21 - Peggy George
thanks for joining us seani!
31:22 - Peggy George
that's very exciting information!
32:21 - Peggy George
good point about the opportunity to get their education from the US if that is what they want-regardless of where they live!
34:22 - Peggy George
so Kevin--I was doing it at the same time
34:29 - Peggy George
sorry
34:39 - Peggy George
very helpful to see these pages :-)
35:18 - Peggy George
what a great guide!!
35:52 - Peggy George
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/online-education-for-dummies-cheat...
36:17 - Peggy George
great suggestion!! :-)
38:10 - Peggy George
these are such great tips!! I have grandkids who are considering online courses and they really need to read this!! they do have a lot of misconceptions about it
38:24 - mslaneeus
Whoops. That resonated. I am definitely a wallflower with these web presentations...
38:31 - Peggy George
:-)
38:49 - cheri.toledo
I'm usually a lurker too :-)
38:54 - Peggy George
that's the good thing though mslaneeus!! it's ok to be a lurker until you're comfortable jumping in :-)
39:10 - Peggy George
there should be alternatives for different learning styles
39:41 - mslaneeus
It's intimidating. Everyone knows each other...you feel as though you are interrupting a conversation among friends.
39:45 - mslaneeus
Up to me to get over that.
40:03 - Peggy George
that is so true!! they work to the deadline so you can't get a conversation going
40:29 - Sharon Peters
So important, I agree
40:34 - Peggy George
good strategy Nick!
41:08 - Peggy George
there's definitely a difference between quantity of posts and quality of posts
41:22 - Sharon Peters
the online course I am taking is a bit frustrating right now.... too much info to read and not enough ways to engage with it, plus inertia on the part of the course participants
42:05 - Sharon Peters
no discussion right now!
43:20 - Peggy George
what kind of accountability do you have for the required reading Sharon?
43:51 - Sharon Peters
exactly
44:01 - Peggy George
love it!!!
44:59 - Peggy George
good example for us to talk about Sharon
45:33 - Susan Manning
Theinstructor needs to create assignments that ask you to put it into prtactice
45:39 - Susan Manning
use it or lose it
45:52 - Peggy George
are you encouraged to contribute to a forum in the class Sharon?
46:01 - Sharon Peters
Yes, Peggy
46:09 - Peggy George
does anyone do it?
46:11 - Susan Manning
and there's a lot of evidence that unless we design courses that require a "do" activity, just absorbing information doesn't create lasting change
46:36 - Susan Manning
so I would encourage him to create application assignments that are then shared in smaller teams for peer review and feedback
46:38 - Peggy George
for sure, Susan!! they will do the minimum they need to do to earn the credit
46:52 - Sharon Peters
cool idea
47:12 - cheri.toledo
http://www.isetl.org/ijtlhe/past2.cfm?v=18&i=2
47:22 - cheri.toledo
Here's an article I wrote about asking good questions
47:26 - Sharon Peters
Thanks for that
47:32 - Peggy George
thanks Cheri!
47:33 - Susan Manning
as a student, I would beg the instructor to reconsider communication
47:53 - Susan Manning
oh, for sure!
48:22 - Susan Manning
I call that whispering
48:27 - Peggy George
:-)
48:30 - Susan Manning
which is half the art of facilitation
48:59 - Peggy George
we have about 5 minutes remaing--want to share WOWs of Week?
49:05 - Peggy George
remaining...
49:09 - cheri.toledo
ONe more question
49:12 - Peggy George
ok
49:20 - cheri.toledo
we started late :-)
49:38 - Sharon Peters
RUMOURS!
49:42 - Peggy George
love to hear about rumors like that!!
49:52 - Peggy George
Technology Tool Belt for Teachers :-)
49:58 - cheri.toledo
technology toolbelt for teachers
50:29 - Peggy George
what a great idea!! almost like the FAQ sections of online courses!!
50:51 - Sharon Peters
am so glad that we got to use Elluminate tonight
50:51 - Peggy George
wonderful conversation!!! thank you so much Susan and Kevin!!
51:56 - Peggy George
oh yes :-)
52:03 - cheri.toledo
awesome!
52:11 - cheri.toledo
love the odds
53:11 - Peggy George
woo hoo! Congratulations Nick!!
53:13 - Sharon Peters
how much fun!
53:20 - Peggy George
when are you going to put it on Kindle???
53:24 - Kevin Johnson
53:40 - Nick Toledo 1
thank you
53:40 - Peggy George
didn't see it there
53:51 - cheri.toledo
whoohooo
53:54 - Sharon Peters
how cool, I have a Kindle, this could be useful for me to bring to Africa
53:58 - Peggy George
great to know
54:40 - Peggy George
we can share our WOWs in web tour :-)
54:51 - cheri.toledo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEls3tq5wIY&feature=player_embedded
55:10 - Peggy George
stop/pause the sound :-)
55:12 - Kevin Johnson
nice
55:37 - Peggy George
56:14 - Maureen (bcdtech)
Wow- looks great- thanks Peggy
56:53 - Kevin Johnson
http://westsideleadershipteam.wikispaces.com/WOW_2010
57:04 - Peggy George
http://westsideleadershipteam.wikispaces.com/WOW_2010
58:01 - Susan Manning
wow, this is going to keep me busy!
58:09 - Peggy George
http://practicaltheory.org/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1238-The-Bill...
58:25 - cheri.toledo
Susan and Kevin - thanks again!!!
58:26 - Peggy George
definitely!! isn't this fun??~~
58:31 - cheri.toledo
We need to meet up again :-)
58:54 - Peggy George
that's so exciting for the SLA students!!!
59:05 - Peggy George
thrilled to see the recording posted!
59:47 - Susan Manning
thank YOU!
59:52 - Kevin Johnson
Thank You!!!
59:53 - Kevin Johnson
:)
59:55 - Peggy George
wonderful!!! so great to have you with us tonight Susan and Kevin!!
1:00:00 - Maureen (bcdtech)
thank you
1:00:05 - Peggy George
this worked great!!!
1:00:10 - Susan Manning
I had a blast..thank you for having us!
1:00:20 - Peggy George
thank you Maureen and mslaneeus and Nick for joining us!!!
1:00:26 - mslaneeus
Thank you.
1:00:27 - cheri.toledo
Thanks everyone!!
1:00:33 - Peggy George
I'll post the link to the recording on ETT :-)
1:00:40 - Susan Manning
Good night
1:00:42 - Peggy George
good night everyone!
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