It's Elementary #39, Video in the Classroom; How to plan for success
20:45:29 Durff : hey alice
20:48:40 Durff : hi scott
20:48:57 Scott Shelhart : Hi DUrff. This wasnt on the calendar.....almmost missed it
20:53:22 Durff : Everyone twitter now
20:55:02 Durff : hi mesafr
20:55:12 Durff : oops
20:55:24 Scott Shelhart : sound on ustream or shoutcast?
20:55:56 Durff : probably will be ustream
20:56:26 Durff : yes on ustream
20:57:16 JoseRodriguez : Hi..
20:57:23 Durff : :)
20:57:43 JoseRodriguez : I twittered and expect a bus load in a bit
20:58:03 JoseRodriguez : how is the sound?
21:01:16 Scott Shelhart : sound good
21:01:36 JoseRodriguez : Hey Matt..
21:01:50 matt montagne : hey y'all...good to hear Its Elementary rockin' the ETT airwaves once again!!!
21:01:53 matt montagne : Hey Jose
21:02:14 Durff : hey matt
21:02:17 JoseRodriguez : I upgraded skype today on matt..
21:02:22 Durff : montagne that is
21:02:27 JoseRodriguez : sorry meant Mac..
21:02:46 Durff : hi ioni
21:02:52 ioni : hi
21:02:53 JoseRodriguez : I guess the matt folk can know share desktops..
21:02:54 matt montagne : hey durff
21:02:59 Durff : sound on ustream
21:03:02 matt montagne : Jose, I'm diggin the new version of skype on Mac
21:03:03 Durff : hi cheri
21:03:05 JoseRodriguez : again meant Mac..
21:03:12 matt montagne : Now I just hope Skype doesn't go out of business!
21:03:19 JoseRodriguez : same here.
21:03:22 Durff : shhh!
21:03:23 cheri t : Hi Durgg
21:03:25 cheri t : Durff
21:03:27 cheri t : sorry
21:03:40 MariaK : we Mac folks should do a skype call together!
21:03:42 Durff : hi ffoxworth
21:03:46 cheri t : Hey Maria!!!
21:03:55 ffoxworth : Hi, all!
21:03:57 MariaK : Hey there Cheri!!
21:04:02 MariaK : and all
21:04:05 cheri t : Are you still tired?
21:04:37 MariaK : exhausted!!!
21:04:42 Durff : hi demas
21:04:54 demas : Hi
21:04:55 Durff : i like someone who is annoyed
21:05:55 matt montagne : didn't einstein or edison say film was going to kill school?? Or something like that
21:05:56 Durff : everyone have sound?
21:06:34 matt montagne : audio is great
21:06:38 matt montagne : via ustream
21:06:39 Durff : :)
21:06:56 ffoxworth : Ustream is great!
21:07:04 JoseRodriguez : thanks
21:07:06 Durff : thanks - all jose there
21:07:25 matt montagne : is it important for kids to know how to tell a narrative in mixed media like it was important for my generatiion to tell a narative on a piece of paper with a pencil??
21:08:22 matt montagne : I do see it used for cutesy stuff, not real content that is highly valued
21:08:36 Durff : so composition
21:08:59 alicemercer : The segmented marketplace, where kids in ignorance can get exploited: http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/10/12/pm-average-ame...
21:09:28 alicemercer : Cable TV Consortium
21:09:30 matt montagne : I like the idea of doing a school film festival, and having teachers participate as well
21:09:36 Durff : we can use film to comprehend video composition and create video composition
21:09:39 Durff : hi cal
21:09:50 ffoxworth : Can we list some specific ways mixed media can be used to address curriculum standards?
21:09:51 CalArmstrong : Hi Durff
21:09:55 Durff : sound on ustream
21:09:57 matt montagne : In order for us to be giviing projects/assignments involving mixed media, shouldn't we be creating mixed media artifacts of our own??
21:10:17 Durff : i would say no matt m
21:10:27 Durff : not necessarily
21:10:47 Durff : though some of us have/can
21:10:48 matt montagne : really, but then how can they develop a true appreciation for the amount of work that goes into it, Durff??
21:11:00 matt montagne : How can we ask students to do things that we don't do ourselves??
21:11:00 alicemercer : Narrative story, documentary
21:11:10 Durff : the great hammer of Durff
21:11:15 alicemercer : documentary, for teaching and entertaining
21:11:18 alicemercer : commercials
21:11:34 alicemercer : Which are persuassive writing
21:11:50 alicemercer : introduction to Propoganda
21:12:14 matt montagne : mathcasts!
21:12:23 matt montagne : mathcasts put students in the role of the teacher
21:12:23 alicemercer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhiLClnv3dw&feature=player_embedded
21:12:46 matt montagne : and we know that we learn best when we teach something to different people
21:12:49 JoseRodriguez : If you didn't catch it ... Mathew was with us for http://www..com/taxonomy/term/1974 K12oline LAN Party.
21:13:35 matt montagne : not sayin' that durff
21:13:42 matt montagne : they at least have to have done it once
21:14:06 Durff : okay then be difficult\
21:14:13 JoseRodriguez : funny
21:14:24 matt montagne : but, they have all written
21:14:35 matt montagne : teachers who teach writing have at least worked in that medium
21:14:40 Durff : yes blogging
21:14:56 Durff : but we blog with students too
21:14:58 Durff : hi sr
21:15:01 matt montagne : but with mixed media, teachers assign things that they've never even attempted
21:15:18 Durff : i have, and i think you have too
21:15:33 sr : storyboarding??
21:15:36 Durff : i prefer the kids to be better than i am
21:15:44 matt montagne : I'm trying to create assignment teasers and stuff like that...instead of just writing it up on paper
21:15:56 Durff : storyboarding is an important step
21:21:18 alicemercer : http://www.needleworkspictures.com/vic/view_movies/film_pages/camouflage...
21:21:40 ffoxworth : But you have to weigh the amount of time it takes to produce detailed video compared to the amount of time you have to spend on covering the standards you're using the video project to address.
21:21:44 Durff : http://www.needleworkspictures.com/vic/
21:22:10 alicemercer : @ffoxworth, but if the lessons are more likely to stick from video, isn't it worth the time?
21:22:49 Durff : one minute movies too much time?
21:23:05 alicemercer : @ffoxworth, there's the argument for it
21:23:07 JoseRodriguez : so.. these proyects are one way to showcase learning from a unit of study.
21:23:15 Durff : the amount of engagement alone is worth it
21:23:50 ffoxworth : To me, yes, but I live in a very standards-based, pacing guide world (ugh!) so I have to consider how my teachers are willing to spend their time.
21:24:38 alicemercer : @ffoxworth: Mathew and I are in teh same boat
21:24:42 Durff : we all do what we can were we are
21:24:49 ffoxworth : I completely agree that the engagement is worth it!
21:25:09 alicemercer : What state @ffoxworth?
21:25:40 ffoxworth : South Carolina:)
21:26:01 alicemercer : Okay, that's a state that is increasing their standards difficulty
21:26:50 sr : you can make it address the standards
21:27:04 alicemercer : Your kiddos in elementary will NOT be able to do higher order thinking using the text
21:27:07 Durff : hi sl h welcome!
21:27:20 SL h : hi!
21:27:38 Durff : kids love animation
21:28:20 Durff : sound is on ustream - hope everyone hears mathew - he's a great guest!
21:28:22 alicemercer : except the story quality sucks!
21:28:38 alicemercer : It is NOT Oprah's Book Club
21:29:12 ffoxworth : I completely agree! I'm talking about convincing my non-techie teachers that this is worth the time. Tomorrow I'm doing some PD sessions on using tech tools for assessment, and I'm including video as a genre. Give me some more ideas!
21:29:48 Durff : The Language Police http://www.amazon.com/Language-Police-Pressure-Restrict-Students/dp/0375...
21:30:20 Durff : you're in the right place ffoxworth
21:32:49 Durff : rob!
21:32:53 rjacklin : HI!
21:32:57 rjacklin : Been a while!
21:33:02 Durff : 'bout time
21:33:07 rjacklin : Are we stream A or B?
21:33:12 alicemercer : Ustream
21:33:16 JoseRodriguez : on ustream
21:33:23 rjacklin : thx
21:33:28 Durff : $5
21:33:46 Durff : X 2 answers
21:34:11 rjacklin : I'm so in debt...just keep the tab running:D
21:34:18 Durff : :)
21:34:43 alicemercer : http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=329
21:34:56 Durff : YEAH!!
21:35:15 JoseRodriguez : It's about taking risks.. That includes the teacher willing to give up control
21:35:36 alicemercer : Video in the Classroom.com
21:35:39 Durff : in our classroom, we are all learners
21:36:09 matt montagne : great point matthew
21:36:54 Durff : if you have an IT who will download it
21:36:57 JoseRodriguez : the use of still pictures for moving making.
21:37:04 Durff : welcome back sr
21:37:12 matt montagne : stills and audio is a great way to enter
21:37:25 matt montagne : stills and audio takes out complexity of motion video
21:37:40 alicemercer : But not the only way MM
21:37:43 Durff : filmesthetic?
21:38:06 matt montagne : video can be tought to wrangle...the files can be huge and less portable
21:38:17 matt montagne : even voicethread is a great way to start
21:38:34 Durff : First grade doing VT here
21:38:36 matt montagne : no, of course not the only way alice...but for many, a great way to have success with limited time budget
21:38:50 JoseRodriguez : I like that.. attitude.. just go in and give it a try.
21:39:05 alicemercer : Voice Thread from Third Graders http://voicethread.com/share/617808/
21:39:16 Durff : 8th grade did movies all year and that was cut (read economy)
21:39:16 rjacklin : How do you help motivate students to plan? My students abhore storyboarding, regardless of topic--even if they choose.
21:39:42 alicemercer : RJ: They need to see what it will get them
21:40:00 alicemercer : http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=329
21:40:04 Durff : the great hammer of Durff helps the storyboarding happen
21:40:06 matt montagne : @rjacklin...great, great question about motivating students to plan
21:40:10 alicemercer : RJ How old are students
21:40:17 rjacklin : Maybe I'm just not teaching it correctly...that could very well be :-(
21:40:26 JoseRodriguez : ;)
21:40:28 alicemercer : Have them do analysis of a single scene
21:40:32 rjacklin : 6th-8th grade
21:40:32 Durff : i don't believe that
21:40:45 alicemercer : so they can see how COMPLEX it is
21:40:51 Durff : rob is a great teacher
21:41:10 alicemercer : Does that make sense RJ?
21:41:50 rjacklin : @alice...sort of, regardless, they just want to do..
21:41:52 Durff : my 8th graders whizzed through and messed up the film. So they then went back and redid their storyboard
21:42:07 Durff : we did AFI The Door Scene
21:42:08 alicemercer : Then show them what they get which is usually garbage
21:42:28 rjacklin : My kids make so many changes in the process that they wind up not seeing the value of a good storyboard.
21:42:31 mathew : flickschool.com Marco Torres
21:42:34 mathew : videointheclassroom.com
21:42:50 rjacklin : I probably need to do a better job of modeling good storyboarding...
21:42:55 Durff : vidcast?
21:43:29 Durff : 'cept maria - she is in the cab
21:45:42 rjacklin : OK...that makes more sense. My digital stories have been mostly about stills and not so much video...
21:46:34 rjacklin : exactly....
21:46:35 rjacklin : Yes!
21:46:53 Durff : he's pickin on you rob! this is GREAT!!
21:47:05 Durff : I couldn't plan this any better
21:47:23 Durff : those pesky trees
21:47:30 rjacklin : They tend to find new images to replace ones they plan.
21:48:07 rjacklin : That makes a ton of sense! Thx!
21:48:09 sr : interesting points
21:48:31 rjacklin : Is there a site where we have examples of real movie storyboards to show students?
21:49:11 matt montagne : monopods are killer tools ... and cheap
21:49:17 alicemercer : AFI has a clip from Indiana Jones
21:49:36 matt montagne : monopods help with stabilization, are super portable, and give you access to some incredible shot possibilities
21:49:48 Durff : which is the way artists study, authors study, photographers study. makes sense
21:50:24 Durff : we bring in movies to ??
21:50:53 rjacklin : Great food for thought! Thx.
21:50:56 matt montagne : another great activity is to have students watch a movie and simply observe and note the camera shots...
21:51:39 ffoxworth : Great conversations! Thanks!
21:51:46 Durff : :)
21:52:03 matt montagne : likwise...kudos to the IE team and Matthew!
21:52:41 Durff : needleman is a great guest!
21:52:46 mathew : thank you
21:53:35 matt montagne : great point, Matthew!
21:54:17 Durff : see rob, you were good
21:54:25 Durff : foxqworth
21:54:37 rjacklin : :-)
21:55:33 matt montagne : Gotta take the Fire ready aim approach sometimes!
21:55:55 Durff : don't hurt 'em
21:56:40 mathew : Thank you chat room and hosts
21:56:58 Durff : hear that wonderful voice
21:57:28 alicemercer : We MAY change show time contrary to what maria just said
21:57:33 cheri t : yea!!!
21:58:02 cheri t : g'nite
21:59:09 cheri t : bye all
21:59:15 cheri t : thank you
21:59:16 Durff : nite folks
21:59:24 JoseRodriguez : thanks all