Seedlings Show #71 on 2009-10-08
Join us as we discuss accessibility, Universal Design for Learning, Assistive Technology, and how the publishing industry, especially in the education sector needs to step to the plate and provide mulitple sources of accessibility for a variety of readers and disabilities.
Joy Zabala and Cynthia Curry take us on the journey of AIM and helping us understand how we can provide for our students. The recommendations in the chat will prove helpful. Check out aim.cast.org and the aim.mainecite.org
Here is the wonderful chat:
19:12:59 cheryloakes~Seedlings Just getting set up. Be back
19:19:19 bobsprankle yo :)
19:20:26 cheryloakes~Seedlings hi, going to get tea, I'll bring you in the chat with Joy, no sound yet.
19:23:31 cheryloakes~Seedlings getting ready
19:23:41 cheryloakes~Seedlings hi alice, cynthia, bob,
19:23:50 Cynthia Curry hello
19:23:54 Alice Barr Hi there
19:23:58 EricSailers Hello
19:24:06 Cynthia Curry Hi Eric
19:24:10 cheryloakes~Seedlings Hi Eric
19:24:17 EricSailers Hi everyone
19:25:36 cheryloakes~Seedlings Hi Pattip, welcome
19:25:55 bobsprankle hi all!
19:26:29 Alice Barr Hi Anne and Patti
19:26:35 Alice Barr Hi Eric
19:26:49 Alice Barr Cynthia are in Skype?
19:26:59 AnneFraser Hi
19:28:22 AnneFraser Are you edtech a or b
19:28:26 cheryloakes~Seedlings ok, we are nearly
19:29:37 cheryloakes~Seedlings OMG, Jeff so good to see you
19:29:38 AnneFraser are you a or b
19:30:00 Alice Barr A
19:30:02 Jeff from Ann Arbor Glad to surface again. Great topic tonight
19:30:12 Alice Barr Not broadcasting quite yet
19:31:11 EricSailers I agree Jeff. AT and UDL are close to my heart.
19:31:36 AnneFraser am on pc used to be mac what icon should I hit for A
19:32:01 Alice Barr On the upper right hand corner under ed Tech A
19:32:11 Alice Barr It says Stream Status
19:32:37 AnneFraser there are 3 choices
19:32:39 Alice Barr Then you have to choose iTunes, RealPlayer or Windows media
19:32:55 Alice Barr For the PC you probably need to pick the third one
19:33:50 Jeff from Ann Arbor gotta switch browsers see you soon
19:34:02 bobsprankle good luck jeff!
19:35:13 bobsprankle "everything that is digital is not accessible"
19:35:14 cheryloakes~Seedlings Hello All
19:35:37 AnneFraser Thanks for your help
19:37:32 Jeff from Ann Arbor I have been seeing some significant progress during the past few years.
19:37:45 cheryloakes~Seedlings How so Jeff?
19:37:53 stevesoko I was amazed this week how hard it was to download books for a student from a service that is audiobooks for blind and dyslexic. The key piece of info was burried deep in a FAQ list. For Blind and Dyslexic folks?!?
19:38:06 Pattip @bob good point, there are plenty of digital materials that are not accessible to people with different disabilities (visual, print, etc.)
19:38:14 Alice Barr Hey Steve! Nice to see you
19:38:22 cheryloakes~Seedlings thanks steve
19:38:46 bobsprankle <that was joy's quote... just to be clear, pattip>
19:38:54 stevesoko Too some publishers accessible/digital = PDF
19:39:03 Jeff from Ann Arbor I have only been getting discs from FRFB&D so far but will be taking delivering of 20 victor streams with flash and digital downloads.
19:39:15 PeggyG Hi everyone! Sorry I'm late!!
19:39:22 bobsprankle hi peggy!
19:39:24 stevesoko Close!
19:39:33 Alice Barr @steve so true, we are always having issues with .pdfs and text to speech
19:39:37 EricSailers Steve, if you're talking about Bookshare, I also think that it's not easy to downloadbooks. I had to call to get support when I learned to do it.
19:39:40 cheryloakes~Seedlings hi peggy, we saved a spot for you
19:39:50 Pattip @bob my son is vacuuming behind me, so I'm having a hard time hearing :)
19:39:58 PeggyG :-) Thanks!!!
19:40:00 cheryloakes~Seedlings right Eric, we are tackling it tomorrow for 20 of our students
19:40:01 Jeff from Ann Arbor Bookshare is definately not Mac friendly.
19:40:14 cheryloakes~Seedlings that is what we have Jeff
19:40:45 Jeff from Ann Arbor Bookshare says it can be done but I haven't been able to make it work.
19:40:49 cheryloakes~Seedlings http://www.cast.org/about/staff/jzabala.html
19:41:10 bobsprankle http://www.bookshare.org/
19:41:17 EricSailers I've only downloaded Bookshare books on my PC. I haven't tried my Mac yet.
19:41:37 cheryloakes~Seedlings http://aim.mainecite.org/
19:41:50 cheryloakes~Seedlings Jeff please add your site
19:41:54 stevesoko Thanks for link we are banging heads a bit.
19:42:27 Alice Barr Hi Leanne
19:42:28 cheryloakes~Seedlings Hi Leeanne_HK, welcome back
19:44:04 Leeanne_HK Good morning - a balmy 25¬∞C here in Hong Kong
19:44:25 Jeff from Ann Arbor Michigan's AT center www.cenmi.org/mits/home.apx
19:44:34 cheryloakes~Seedlings thanks Jeff!
19:44:37 EricSailers I'm unable to paste a link in the message window. Any help?
19:44:47 Jeff from Ann Arbor I just had to write
19:44:55 cheryloakes~Seedlings you need to drag the link to the window where youput text
19:45:17 bobsprankle tags!
19:45:18 PeggyG @Eric-click and drag the url into a floating chat window
19:45:27 stevesoko Anybody playing with textbooks or material in PDF and moving it to Kindle2?
19:45:44 Jeff from Ann Arbor http://bookbuilder.cast.org heading toward a dream machine.
19:45:44 bobsprankle http://www.daisy.org/
19:46:16 Cynthia Curry http://www.daisy.org/
19:46:21 EricSailers Got it. I was wonder if anybody here will be attending http://www.closingthegap.com/conference/ next week? For those who don't know, it's an assistive technology conference in MN.
19:46:36 cheryloakes~Seedlings oh, it sounds great, not me though
19:47:35 Pattip wish I could do CTG. Not allowed out of state!
19:48:04 Jeff from Ann Arbor My SpEd Director got on me to come up with something to help our middle school math students. Reading Lexile scores showed that 20% of our students had a reading penalty in their math scores. I worked to get permission from the copyright holder and publisher to build my own audio books and daisy format books.
19:48:08 PeggyG I'm really interested in the option @stevesoko--moving PDF to Kindle--have you tried it?
19:48:41 cheryloakes~Seedlings Jeff, that sounds great, more info
19:49:03 cheryloakes~Seedlings hi kim
19:49:06 EricSailers I'll be there at CTG. I thought I'd see if anybody else would be.
19:49:10 kcaise hi cheryl
19:49:18 Jeff from Ann Arbor I am contracting with a local theater group to come up with differing voices by race and gender.
19:49:29 cheryloakes~Seedlings oh what a great project
19:50:41 EricSailers BTW, is there any kind of format to edtechtalk live? I haven't ever attended a session before. Can we just talk about anything?
19:50:47 stevesoko @PeggyG - I have not tried but I have heard that it did not do well with computer manual books, but the person had not tried simple word processed material turned into PDF. Need a spare $500
19:50:51 Jeff from Ann Arbor These dream machines are great but I have to give incredible credit to Joy for her SETT process. It drives a data driven process that helps make the case for the tools and materials our kids need.
19:50:51 EricSailers related to AT and UDL, of course
19:51:39 Pattip Totally agree with Joy's point. As adults we have the flexibility to choose the methods that meet or needs at any point in time. Kids in school don't have that choice
19:51:44 PeggyG just read some instructions about converting PDF for Kindle--sounds interesting but may not work on my Mac. http://www.novapdf.com/kb/send-pdf-to-kindle-213.html
19:51:48 cheryloakes~Seedlings Hi Eric, this chat room is for this particular show and topic. However anyone who takes the webcast academy class they can have their own show and topic
19:52:10 bobsprankle right on!
19:52:17 Jeff from Ann Arbor My math publisher is giving our district permission to hand out the audio books to all of our students who request it.
19:52:29 cheryloakes~Seedlings nice Jeff
19:52:55 Jeff from Ann Arbor BTW Joy mentioned I was head of Michigan's A
19:52:57 Jeff from Ann Arbor Im
19:53:03 PeggyG these are such exciting alternatives we're hearing about!!
19:53:04 Leeanne_HK @Jeff - nice I wish our publishers would do that. Do they do this because of legistation or are they just being nice?
19:53:17 EricSailers Ok @cheryloakes. I wasn't sure if Cynthia and Joy were going to present. Or if we just chatted with them.
19:53:24 Jeff from Ann Arbor Jeff Deitrich in the head. I am Jeff Flynn an AT consultant from Ann Arbor.
19:53:38 Pattip One of my son's math textbooks is available totally online this year, Nice for those who forget their book, but also nice for accessibility reasons
19:53:43 cheryloakes~Seedlings if you listen to A you can hear them are you hearing hte broadcast/
19:53:52 stevesoko RFBD was not difficult (actually very helpful on phone) but was my first experience and I was amazed that it was so complex and that teh DRM was so tight.
19:54:13 Leeanne_HK Kids don't have to be special needs to need content in different formats
19:54:22 Jeff from Ann Arbor When I confronted them with the reading scores that show their book was so hard for so many they relented and gave us permission to build the audio/daisy books.
19:54:26 PeggyG excellent point Leeanne!!!
19:54:27 cheryloakes~Seedlings got it Jeff Flynn
19:54:41 stevesoko Yeah Jeff!
19:54:45 Jeff from Ann Arbor Actually they were quite open to it. But won't let us share anything.
19:54:59 Leeanne_HK @Jeff - how did you get the reading scores for their textbook?
19:55:23 cheryloakes~Seedlings Hi Matt M
19:55:35 matt montagne hey cheryl
19:55:47 Jeff from Ann Arbor Not sure. Our reading consultant came up with lexile scores of each of the 12 workbooks. Every ms student was tested for reading.
19:55:48 Alice Barr Hi Matt
19:56:08 matt montagne hey there alice
19:56:58 Leeanne_HK @Jeff - thanks for that - I'm working with my special needs coord this year on an audio project - would be interesting to see what the lexile scores are for our textbooks
19:57:18 Jeff from Ann Arbor worth asking leeanne
19:58:15 EricSailers Got the audio now
19:58:30 cheryloakes~Seedlings eric I hope it makes more sense now.:-)
19:58:39 EricSailers Definitely
19:58:44 stevesoko We are actually looking across 4 different services w/ 4 different ways to get books downloaded in audio formats.
19:59:03 cheryloakes~Seedlings Evening TimH
19:59:12 timH hello there
19:59:12 Alice Barr Hey Tim
19:59:18 Jeff from Ann Arbor @Stevesoko like to know the four by four you are talking about.
19:59:19 timH how are you guys tonight?
19:59:27 Alice Barr Great!
20:00:13 matt montagne It is real simple...information wants to be free
20:00:31 Alice Barr Great point Matt
20:00:35 matt montagne test
20:00:45 Alice Barr Publishers need to work on that
20:01:19 matt montagne information wants to be free
20:01:37 timH on Matt's point. Free is a must read: http://www.amazon.com/Free-Future-Radical-Chris-Anderson/dp/1401322905/r...
20:01:44 Jeff from Ann Arbor We found that with 753 students needing adult support of some kind out of 3800 middle schools student we found it will be cheaper to build our own.
20:01:54 matt montagne I've stayed away from the Kindle because of the proprietary nature...I feel if I buy an ebook that I should be able to read it on any device I own
20:02:01 PeggyG there are more and more books on Amazon now available for Kindle--it really helps to click on that link to tell the publisher you want it :-)
20:02:05 Jeff from Ann Arbor Audio/daisy book
20:02:21 matt montagne Openness will ultimately prevail
20:02:22 Alice Barr Hi Coleete
20:02:33 Alice Barr ColetteC Hi
20:02:38 cheryloakes~Seedlings http://udlspotlight.wordpress.com/category/lisa-parisi-co-teaching/
20:02:46 PeggyG you can listen to all audible.com audio books on your kindle :-)
20:02:48 stevesoko RFBD, Bookshare, a service from our local library, and now Audible for Kids. As the tech guy I am being called in to help make them work as classroom staff are trying and failing. Even as a old spec ed teacher it seems like we are throwing spaghetti against the wall to find stuff.
20:02:49 cheryloakes~Seedlings here is a blog about what 2 teachers are doing in their classroosm
20:02:55 ColetteC Hi Alice :)
20:03:12 matt montagne @tim...I read Anderson's free this summer...great read
20:03:18 Alice Barr I agree steve have been struggling all year
20:03:26 Pattip @ matt, I agree that I'd like it in multiple formats, but it's great to have it on my ipod so I do buy Kindle books
20:03:56 matt montagne absolutely a great point about what is right for learners with special needs is often right for all learning
20:04:03 PeggyG Kindle books can also be added to your ipod/iphone-I love that feature
20:04:12 matt montagne @Pattip...one proprietary format for another there ;-)
20:04:17 Leeanne_HK Do we need to be using the copyrighted material? Making our own is much easier now.
20:04:50 Leeanne_HK We are getting our parents to read novels for us to put onto ipods for students to take home for english literature
20:05:02 matt montagne @Leeanne...now we're talking! Why not make it part of our job to create our own free texts.
20:05:13 Jeff from Ann Arbor Right on Leeanne, I think that may be where much good work will be done.
20:05:30 matt montagne a major problem with the kindle in school is that page numbers don't translate to the book page numbers...
20:05:35 Leeanne_HK I want a tech to do this for my school -- get rid of the photocopy lady and get me an eBOok lady
20:05:48 bobsprankle yes, matt, and not really good for notes either
20:05:56 cheryloakes~Seedlings great idea Leeanne
20:06:06 matt montagne we have a student that has all of her english books on kindle, but also bought all of the print books because she needed to be able to follow the in class discussions
20:06:25 PeggyG that's true Matt-page numbering! but it is nice to make the print as big as we need it to be able to read it :-)
20:06:43 Jeff from Ann Arbor Pearson is the publisher who is giving us permission to build our audio math books.
20:07:00 matt montagne @Peggy...the UDL/accessibility gains are awesome with eReaders...no doubt
20:07:08 bobsprankle that's great, jeff
20:07:12 Leeanne_HK there's a piece of software I saw at BETT09 - it connects to scanner and once you scan in text it will read the text to students
20:07:37 matt montagne we have one Kindle in our library and we just ordered a sony reader today...we'd like to do a side by side comparison (and have students give feedback as well)
20:07:41 PeggyG amazing Leeanne! is it computer voice and is it easy to understand?
20:07:49 Jeff from Ann Arbor Mac's Preview software reads pdf'
20:07:52 Jeff from Ann Arbor aloud
20:08:05 PeggyG I'd be interested in that comparison Matt!! very interesting!
20:08:06 Alice Barr IS the BETT09 like Kurzweil?
20:08:11 Jeff from Ann Arbor hearing everyone great
20:08:11 Leeanne_HK You can then save the file as an mp3. voice isn't too bad - you can choose accent and speed of reading
20:08:36 Leeanne_HK BETT is big London tech in education show - more like ISTE NECC
20:08:41 PeggyG the computer voices are definitely improving!! Macs seem to do it pretty seamlessly!
20:09:22 Alice Barr @Leanne we use Kurzweil to do exactly that bit is so much $$$
20:10:51 Leeanne_HK can't remember name and price -- wasn't too big as it was doable for my school. BETT09 had a big focus on Special Needs this year so there were several UK software developers offering programmes that read back text to kids.
20:10:57 PeggyG I'm looking forward to the time when all of our textbooks are available online through open source :-)
20:12:04 PeggyG sounds like the same kind of awakening that is happening to print newspapers! they are having to change to electronic newspapers
20:12:12 Alice Barr And music?
20:12:22 cheryloakes~Seedlings Jeff do you have an opensource education online movement in MI?
20:12:39 cheryloakes~Seedlings right peggy
20:12:41 Jeff from Ann Arbor I am not aware of it.
20:13:22 Alice Barr Hello C4
20:13:24 Cynthia Curry Hi C4
20:13:26 cheryloakes~Seedlings hello C4
20:13:27 Jeff from Ann Arbor In fact in the past few years, things have tougher with not being able to share our home made resources.
20:13:44 PeggyG good point Jeff!
20:13:58 PeggyG copyright can be so challenging!!
20:14:22 cheryloakes~Seedlings hi csitterly
20:14:40 cheryloakes~Seedlings citterley:-)
20:14:43 csitterley greetings everyone
20:14:49 Alice Barr hi csitterley
20:15:03 csitterley Hey Alice and Cheryl
20:15:27 ColetteC New teacher who grew up digital may still not know how to integrate tech into curriculum to support learning
20:15:41 cheryloakes~Seedlings yes coletteC, they will be first to say
20:15:47 Alice Barr I agree Collette
20:16:09 Pattip the teachers in training in the assistive technology course I teach may be good at "technology" (Facebook, texting, web surfing) but don't have knowledge of using tech for educational purposes
20:16:15 csitterley Absolutely agree-was tech director and worked with many new teachers who were resistent to using tech for learning
20:16:46 Jeff from Ann Arbor One challenge facing me in the coming weeks is to create multimedia/multliteracy projects that can be standardized for
20:16:48 csitterley They were happy with Facebook etc for themselves, but not thinking about the pedagogy
20:16:57 Jeff from Ann Arbor tier one RIT interventions.
20:17:01 Leeanne_HK we need to make these things easier for the teachers -- a well trained tech is worth their weight in gold
20:17:08 cheryloakes~Seedlings oh, Jeff, that will hard
20:17:32 Jeff from Ann Arbor I want to fight the tyrany of text.
20:17:36 Leeanne_HK would love to stay and chat - but students call. Have a great Friday everyone
20:17:49 bobsprankle goodnight leeanne!
20:17:51 Alice Barr Bye Leanne Thanks for coming
20:17:55 PeggyG thanks so much Leanne for sharing your resources and ideas!!
20:19:46 Jeff from Ann Arbor Today I scanned a 420 page History book for 6th grade.
20:19:48 PeggyG @Jeff-good luck with that project for tier one interventions! That would be awesome!!
20:20:06 Alice Barr JEff How did you do a 420 book in one day???
20:20:12 csitterley One of the best learning opportunities we had was when we put an ipod touch in the hands of a student who uses it to submit assignments because she can't manage handwriting-teachers saw that and were amazed and learn from her
20:20:15 Jeff from Ann Arbor When the book is in pdf, then we can do a lot with it.
20:20:33 Jeff from Ann Arbor I have a document feeding scanner that handles 25 pages double sided.
20:20:48 Alice Barr WOW!
20:21:05 PeggyG very exciting Jeff!! was that an expensive scanner?
20:21:22 Jeff from Ann Arbor @csitterly - glad to hear it . Myh district just got 800 ipod touches.
20:21:32 stevesoko Jeff - model and or link on teh scanner if you have it please?
20:21:44 csitterley Wow Jeff-1-1 with students?
20:21:52 Cynthia Curry Accessibility of Kindle http://bit.ly/3qdNtw
20:22:00 Jeff from Ann Arbor One can get a doc feeding scanner for a few hundred dollars. Fujitsu seems to be the leader.
20:22:17 cheryloakes~Seedlings http://aim.mainecite.org/ http://www.cast.org/about/staff/jzabala.html
20:22:22 Alice Barr Hi erin
20:22:23 cheryloakes~Seedlings Our guests URL
20:22:25 EricSailers Cynthia mentioned the idea of creating an alternative text tag in a document. How can that be accomplished?
20:22:31 Jeff from Ann Arbor Yes we are setting up projects with 1 to 1 ipod touches.
20:22:35 cheryloakes~Seedlings www.aim.cast.org
20:23:07 Cynthia Curry @EricSailers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute
20:23:23 Jeff from Ann Arbor I just set up a young lady with an ipod touch with progect2go software costing $600 with speakers replaceing a $10K dynavox machine.
20:23:41 EricSailers Thanks Cynthia
20:23:47 cheryloakes~Seedlings aim.mainecite.org
20:24:17 stevesoko Eric - it is usually a feature in the web publisher. I use Dreamweaver and when I insert a picture on a web page it part of that process.
20:24:24 PeggyG maybe a conversion site to convert docs to pdf?? :-)
20:24:26 cheryloakes~Seedlings http://www.digitalwish.com/dw/digitalwish/product?id=4310
20:24:30 EricSailers Thanks Steve
20:24:40 Jeff from Ann Arbor Great show!!!
20:25:10 Alice Barr http://engagingparentsinschool.edublogs.org/
20:26:03 Alice Barr http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2009/09/12/how-to-get-a-discount-when-...
20:26:21 Alice Barr wheelof.com/lunch
20:27:21 csitterley Bob-don't see the link in the chat
20:27:56 Pattip glad to be here live. I usually listen to the podcast, but wanted to hear Joy live. Thanks!
20:28:04 EricSailers I want to share http://www.uquery.com/ for an iPod touch app search engine. I think it's more accessible than the iTunes store.
20:28:09 Jeff from Ann Arbor God Bless the Elfs. Wishing you a fast night.
20:28:35 csitterley I missed the first half so I will definitely listen in, as usual- thanks for the work you all do
20:28:39 bobsprankle http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/greenguide/infinite-photograph
20:28:46 csitterley Thanks Bob
20:29:11 PeggyG What a fabulous show--AGAIN!! :-) you really packed so much valuable information into this session!! Thank you!!
20:29:47 bauwarter Thanks so much. I will listen to the podcast on my way to school tomorrow morning.
20:29:54 cheryloakes~Seedlings Thanks to you all, goodnight
20:29:59 stevesoko Thanks guys -great show again!
20:30:00 kcaise good night all!
20:30:24 Cynthia Curry night
20:30:38 EricSailers Thanks everyone!
20:30:44 Pattip Thanks!
20:30:57 PeggyG Thanks Eric for sharing your resources!
20:30:58 Jeff from Ann Arbor Good night
20:31:00 csitterley Night
20:31:19 bobsprankle goodnight all!!!