Conversations Episode 29 3-15-09

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This week's show focused on the amount of time educators spend on schoolwork outside of the school day. We talked about professional development time, student connection time, and planning time, as well as time spent on "assignments" given us by the district. Lisa Parisi, Maria Knee, and Sheila Adams were joined by Kathleen Casterline and Deven Black.



2009-03-15 11:28:44 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Stream has begun.
2009-03-15 11:28:56 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Ustream is starting
2009-03-15 11:29:41 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa, Hi Maria
2009-03-15 11:30:11 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: Hello maureen and all - streaming in ustream - audio only and ETT a
2009-03-15 11:30:33 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Ustream window looks very cool
2009-03-15 11:30:34 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Nice graphic on the UStream window!
2009-03-15 11:30:53 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Sheila runs the Ustream.
2009-03-15 11:31:10 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Great idea Sheila - love the green and the design.
2009-03-15 11:31:21 [Message] Lori F -> -EdTechTalk: Hi all from Lincoln
2009-03-15 11:32:06 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: just love what sheila does for our UStream - why would i ever need to learn how2 do it!
2009-03-15 11:32:38 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk:
2009-03-15 11:32:43 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Comfy chair, cup of tea, dog as foot warmer .  . . working at home is not so bad.
2009-03-15 11:33:26 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: Like the Mackinaw Center in michigan
2009-03-15 11:34:25 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: wow great article!
2009-03-15 11:34:30 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i mean response
2009-03-15 11:35:00 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Who would like to join in the skype call?
2009-03-15 11:35:22 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: But it is very difficult for others to see what goes into your day. It does sound like whining if you talk about it.
2009-03-15 11:35:34 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: It is definitely not a job you leave at 5 PM each day.
2009-03-15 11:35:45 [Message] sheila -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Kapil. What time is it for you now?
2009-03-15 11:35:50 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i had so many ppl tease me about not having a "real job"
2009-03-15 11:36:18 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi u had an awesome blog post about this
2009-03-15 11:36:21 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: I say that most of the work goes on prior to the presence of the students - I understand!
2009-03-15 11:36:21 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: hey sheila , its 9 pm here in new delhi , india
2009-03-15 11:36:25 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: admin doesn't value that work at all
2009-03-15 11:36:39 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker I want those people to come spend a day with me - see how they keep up. :)
2009-03-15 11:36:52 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: I once had an admin say to me "I wish I had the time to be on the computer"
2009-03-15 11:36:59 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: We are here on a Sunday morning engaging in professional development 0 that says something!
2009-03-15 11:37:12 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, Jackie, it does.
2009-03-15 11:37:13 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: There are a lot of "behind the scenes" actions where teachers are involved. Most work comes when students aren't around.
2009-03-15 11:37:27 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: In order to make the classroom work, you have to set up so much before hand- not just the content, but the context and the culture of your classroom.
2009-03-15 11:37:29 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i love reading about how your classroom as evolved
2009-03-15 11:37:38 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: can you please post the link to that blog post ?
2009-03-15 11:37:49 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: guide on the side
2009-03-15 11:38:15 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk:
2009-03-15 11:38:29 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i plurked and tweeted about this
2009-03-15 11:38:35 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: thanks Lisa :-)
2009-03-15 11:39:02 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: sage on the stage
2009-03-15 11:39:28 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: teach her how u prepare for the projects - the process
2009-03-15 11:39:55 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: We understand - but we are the choir.
2009-03-15 11:40:08 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: good effective teachers make it look easy
2009-03-15 11:40:23 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Jackie do you want to come into the skype call?  Loonyhiker?
2009-03-15 11:40:40 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: The other thing about teaching is that you are always on  - there are not optional 10 minute breaks, the time to grab some coffee, stand and chat with others - unlike most other work environments.
2009-03-15 11:40:59 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, Sarah, very true.  When do you go to the bathroom?
2009-03-15 11:41:05 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: there is also not the hour lunch break away from work either
2009-03-15 11:41:08 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi sorry but we have company (really hubby's friends) and i'm trying to look like i'm being a good hostess while i play on computer (shhh)
2009-03-15 11:41:29 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi I'm so lucky - the staff bathroom is across the hall from my room!
2009-03-15 11:41:33 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: I think my district is now ready to move on beyond scripted lessons - which are only rigidly enforced in the first year or two following a textbook adoption
2009-03-15 11:41:51 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Mine is next door.  I've actually had kids almost follow me in while talking to me.
2009-03-15 11:41:51 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: sunday morning did a bit on the top 100 companies to work education institution in the bunch
2009-03-15 11:41:59 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: @Sarah S - especially  with the younger ones - went from older kids to 3rd thorugh 5th grade - they never give me a second as I have choice based project based learning going on
2009-03-15 11:42:29 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: Google insists that employees spend up to 20% of their time researching something that inspires them
2009-03-15 11:42:37 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: The planning process is time consuming, the way the kids interact has to evolve with your guidance, your evaluation of the kids is ongoing and often you intervene on the fly and do a reteach/mini-lesson, etc.. I spend an enormous amount of time onlline learning. I'm on break now- going in to work tomorrow, going down to visit @dogrtrax and gail Tuesday. If we are trying to integrate across the curriculum- takes planning time with others. I work more than bankers hours ;_0
2009-03-15 11:43:09 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: Ah, would love to hear more about powerful uses of interactive whiteboards!
2009-03-15 11:43:16 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: But it is "flow" work - work that is engaging and exciting - I love all the tech - none of the other teachers at my school use tech - and are always out the door by 3 PM -
2009-03-15 11:43:53 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i constantly tell preservice teachers that being a teacher is not an 8-3 job
2009-03-15 11:44:17 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: I have trouble setting limits myself. I'm getting a Promethean Board in April so it will get even less
2009-03-15 11:44:45 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen - Dogtrax is a Writing Project friend and colleague - who inspires me on a weekly basis
2009-03-15 11:45:11 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: we still call our professional organizations "unions" and most people have an aversion when they hear the term
2009-03-15 11:45:25 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: Whew...I'll need a week-long class of PD to learn effective use of SmartBoard?
2009-03-15 11:45:40 [Message] Lori F -> -EdTechTalk: I agree on te obsession of finding new things for our teaching
2009-03-15 11:45:52 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @casterline we don't have unions here in SC - ppl r very against unions here
2009-03-15 11:45:55 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: My daughter is a relatively new teacher. Her first year as the "real" teacher vs assitant. She has no budget, makes all her own stuff and coordinates what she is doing with both the French curriculum and the English curriculum. She teaches at a French international school. She is exhausted- and only 26!
2009-03-15 11:46:31 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen, same with my daughter - 2nd year as high school science teacher
2009-03-15 11:46:36 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: one  stumbling block we have for teachers not using tech is "I don't have the time to explore the technology"
2009-03-15 11:47:07 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: its true...if you walk into school without being loaded down people look at you funny
2009-03-15 11:47:12 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: Depends on the background of the observer - had some outside tech-based teachers observe my classroom and understood how much work was involved - an outside observer would not have seen it
2009-03-15 11:47:18 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @mrboyer - the time crunch thing is huge - especially at our Title 1 schools
2009-03-15 11:47:27 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: as a retired teacher, i try to go to schools and share w/ teachers a lot of tools that i have found so they don't have to hunt for good tech tools
2009-03-15 11:47:27 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Anyone want to skype in now?
2009-03-15 11:47:37 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @mrboyer- it means that it is not a priority and that their time is very limited and they just don't want to spare the little that they have to learn something which is of questional value to them.
2009-03-15 11:47:50 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker - Can we clone you?
2009-03-15 11:48:20 [Message] spedteacher -> -EdTechTalk: Why do people who have never done our work think that they can understand what or how much we do or don't do just by looking for a few minutes?
2009-03-15 11:48:46 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: @ maureen true - so how do we change that?
2009-03-15 11:48:47 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @spedteacher Excellent question!
2009-03-15 11:48:52 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @gail lol i just feel it is my responsibility to give back as a way to thank all the tchers who have helped me over the years
2009-03-15 11:49:00 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I could just teach the same old that I actually like and have worked hard to create, but I am always looking for new ideas and trying to change things depending on the group.
2009-03-15 11:49:27 [Message] Lori F -> -EdTechTalk: anyone ever have a family member ask whey we could not make a phone call for them? Such as appointments?
2009-03-15 11:49:39 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: ppl don't realize the barriers, regulations, laws etc. that teachers face
2009-03-15 11:49:59 [Message] spedteacher -> -EdTechTalk: Geat baseball players make it look easy. Great teachers make it look easy, too.
2009-03-15 11:50:00 [Message] Lori F -> -EdTechTalk: the mythical 30 min lunch...
2009-03-15 11:50:41 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: hubby surprised me w/ lunch one day and it took him so long to set it up pretty, that my 27 min. lunch was over before we ate - he was horrified! :)
2009-03-15 11:50:41 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I am always working to learn how to make things better for teachers and students: listening to podcast, reading blogs, reading journals-I don't have time during the day to do any of those things.
2009-03-15 11:50:46 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: not allowed?
2009-03-15 11:51:07 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: In India, if I tell somebody that I want to be a school teacher, the first question they ask is  - "Kapil, what happened ? Everything OK ? "
2009-03-15 11:51:15 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Blog and ning were both shut down
2009-03-15 11:51:20 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I teach both the younger grades- where I have a ton of setup and the older ones where I have to grade stuff and do paperwork. Wish I could do one or the other- both is stretching me too thin.
2009-03-15 11:51:25 [Message] spedteacher -> -EdTechTalk: In baseball everyone understands the dedication and effort that goes into making it look easy, especially people who have played the game. Everyone has been in school, but that's like watching the baseball game, not playing in it.
2009-03-15 11:52:04 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: @Kapil - The same attitude can be found here too.
2009-03-15 11:52:05 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi Shut down by your school district?
2009-03-15 11:52:37 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I was looking for new ideas- constantly, even back when I taught K- looking for new ideas in books, then on the KK listserv, etc. Always tweaking.
2009-03-15 11:53:02 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: I'm not a classroom teacher any longer. Some of the perqs are being able to go to the restroom when you need to, get a cup of coffee, take a walk around the building
2009-03-15 11:53:18 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: I spent summers researching, looking for new ideas, and planning projects so that I could enjoy teaching it during the year
2009-03-15 11:53:37 [Message] Kimberly -> -EdTechTalk: hi whats the topic ..sorry late
2009-03-15 11:54:02 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Kimberly.  Topic is amount of time we spend on school work outside of school
2009-03-15 11:54:15 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: Ah the challenge of bringing administrators into 21st century teaching
2009-03-15 11:54:23 [Message] Kimberly -> -EdTechTalk: too much time!!
2009-03-15 11:54:24 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker I agree, summer is when I can take a hard look at curriculum and learn more... once school is in session it is hard to make majot changes.
2009-03-15 11:54:29 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: nothing like taking gthe passion out of teaching
2009-03-15 11:54:50 [Message] spedteacher -> -EdTechTalk: I keep wanting to invite all the critics into my classroom for a day and let them see how easy it is. I'm sure they'll appreciate the bathroom restrictions, long lunches, freedom of movement, etc. etc. Then there are the students, paperwork, and more.
2009-03-15 11:54:55 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: just installed skype on this computer, username is kathleen casterline
2009-03-15 11:55:00 [Message] Kimberly -> -EdTechTalk: that's why I left the classroom ..burnout
2009-03-15 11:55:03 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: Most education graudate students want to become teachers here only because of perception of 8 to 3 work hours and it helps married women to have better work-life balance compared to other corporate jobs. and if you go to any graduate education school in India, you will not find a single male student
2009-03-15 11:55:31 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: I still like to show Karl Fisch's Did You Know video to administrators.  Gets them thinking - and talking
2009-03-15 11:55:32 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: So is there a difference in practices at various grade levels?
2009-03-15 11:55:38 [Message] spedteacher -> -EdTechTalk: How do I get on here using skype? User name is spedteacher127.
2009-03-15 11:56:12 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @spedteacher - Lisa can add you to the skype call
2009-03-15 11:56:48 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: it must be frustrating @lisa for your hubby to see how much u use tech in your classroom
2009-03-15 11:56:52 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: I know some teachers who refuse to take any work home. I know some who do. Some stay at school to finish work long after the end of the day.
2009-03-15 11:57:16 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Linda
2009-03-15 11:57:27 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i think balance is very important - i used some but i think some ppl can do too much at home and neglect their lives outside the classroom
2009-03-15 11:57:38 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: left off - used to know
2009-03-15 11:57:42 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @sheila It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges when I look at the prep for the different grade levels. For my younger kids, I spend an inordinate amount of time doing lab prep. For my gr 6-9 kids- it is different- I spend the time using new tools and learning online- then making rubrics and grading, etc. Lots of time- just looks different.
2009-03-15 11:57:59 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Hi everyone!
2009-03-15 11:58:14 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: skype ID: kathleen casterline (please add)
2009-03-15 11:58:46 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen - Yes, and I'm wondering if high schools use less web 2.0 tools? or have more restrictions
2009-03-15 11:58:48 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: There is too much involved in quality teaching to get it all done in the school day.
2009-03-15 11:58:51 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: only those teachers take work home who are passionate about their profession and they  want to give best learning environment to their students
2009-03-15 11:59:36 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: @kapil - I hear what you are saying!
2009-03-15 11:59:41 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @sheila- I think that the MS teachers I know are wed to their curriculum and don't feel like they can change/add easily.
2009-03-15 11:59:55 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: I'm hearing an echo, any suggestions
2009-03-15 12:00:17 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @casterline- if you are on skype- turn off your stream
2009-03-15 12:00:25 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i spend a lot of home time contacting parents on a regular basis to share what is going on in my classrooms
2009-03-15 12:00:59 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: My job is helping teachers integrate technology. Some of them realize that the time invested upfront in learning technology saves them time in the long term
2009-03-15 12:01:06 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: Anyone going to BLC this summer?
2009-03-15 12:01:15 [Message] noahtyme -> -EdTechTalk: Sometimes when a teacher feels like they have so much to do at home, they should shift some of the work to the kids.  Sometimes teachers feel responsible for everything that goes on in the class--shift the responsibility to the kids.  it leads to lots of stress during the day, but a lot less work during the day.
2009-03-15 12:01:17 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I'm thinking about it Nancy
2009-03-15 12:01:22 [Message] joelz -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers that give away their time and work for free devalue their service.
2009-03-15 12:01:36 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @nancykeane- I'll go to the free edublogger east day, but can't afford to attend
2009-03-15 12:01:41 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @noah great point!
2009-03-15 12:02:00 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: Don't know if I can go but I want to :-)
2009-03-15 12:02:14 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @joelz not sure i agree with that
2009-03-15 12:02:33 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @joelz when I work with other teachers - on my own time- I feel like I am sharing, not giving away.
2009-03-15 12:03:25 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: I work on my own time because I want to not because I have to.
2009-03-15 12:03:25 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Since I work at a private school, I get paid diddly squat. But I made that choice.
2009-03-15 12:03:27 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: When the extra I do is not appreciated by students, parents and admin, then I start to second guess myself.
2009-03-15 12:03:44 [Message] mrboyer -> -EdTechTalk: I'm always amazed at how much we share with peers to help make each other better - in most buisinesses they're considered the competition.
2009-03-15 12:03:52 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: There are choices we make about what we do
2009-03-15 12:04:03 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: agree--passion
2009-03-15 12:04:12 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i think it is okay to tell students, parents, and admin that u don't feel appreciated - i think that is part of the communication process
2009-03-15 12:04:16 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: and the choices are ours
2009-03-15 12:04:35 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: @loelz has a point. The school systems depend on your willingness to do what's best for the kids to dodge their responsibility to do what's best for the kids
2009-03-15 12:04:39 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: If we put conditions on them - like the parents, admin has to appreciate it
2009-03-15 12:04:43 [Message] spedteacher -> -EdTechTalk: I think the problem is that outsiders don't know about the choices we make.
2009-03-15 12:04:44 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: then that is our choice
2009-03-15 12:04:52 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker I told my new head of school that I felt totally disenfranchised... He was shocked.
2009-03-15 12:05:02 [Message] noahtyme -> -EdTechTalk: I bet that that teachers that put in a ton of hours have something more in common than just a passion to do great things for the kids...what do we all share in our background?  I bet that we have all experienced/suffered a similar type of event.
2009-03-15 12:05:08 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: But I do it because I am passionate about teaching and learning
2009-03-15 12:05:22 [Message] dufourc -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, and those are not the things we would choose to do
2009-03-15 12:05:26 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen i think that is good that u told him - we can't expect others to be mindreaders - we need to remember they r human too
2009-03-15 12:05:29 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: the curse of being in a service industry
2009-03-15 12:05:54 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: If I want others to appreciate what I do, that I need to make that a priority in informing and engaging them in understanding and participating
2009-03-15 12:06:02 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: @noahtyme - Or at least I can help make a difference if others can't see the weaknesses,etc.
2009-03-15 12:06:16 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: i hear somebody breaking her keyboard
2009-03-15 12:06:23 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: :)
2009-03-15 12:06:52 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: Working on a paper for doctoral course -- Staff dev'l -- how to get district buy-in to allow time and /or money resources.
2009-03-15 12:07:29 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: If you are not passionate about it, because you know the end result? Maria?
2009-03-15 12:08:05 [Message] Kimberly -> -EdTechTalk: free PD at
2009-03-15 12:08:28 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @sheila - I see some required school work as busy work - something required but has no real value
2009-03-15 12:08:47 [Message] dufourc -> -EdTechTalk: What I see is teachers who end up not doing anything "extra"... not distinguishing between what is obligatory and what could be a personal passion to pursue, because they have lost too much is the obligatory stuff
2009-03-15 12:08:56 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: If you don't have a passion for teaching, learning, and kids, you should be looking for another line of work
2009-03-15 12:09:15 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: We get a lot of extra stuff thrown at us, but much of it seems llike busy work. Do curriculum mapping- but it just sits there and isn't used. Currently doing yet another strategic plan... these tend to gather dust. Never get used. So teachers resent it- lotsof time, boring meetings- not directly related to what I am doing.
2009-03-15 12:09:28 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: We did "work to rule" during a contract negotiation.  Hated it!
2009-03-15 12:09:31 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: Stressing the importance of relevancy.
2009-03-15 12:09:56 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: On two computers and one is delayed from the actual call...
2009-03-15 12:10:18 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i worked at one school where i really felt appreciated by the admin and the parents - constantly getting validation for my hard work
2009-03-15 12:10:29 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @nancykeane "work to rule"?
2009-03-15 12:10:30 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: then we got a new principal and parent interaction was discouraged
2009-03-15 12:10:54 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: i think this boils down to classic problem - if you continue to do things that are "urgent" instead of what you think is "important" , you are not going to love your job
2009-03-15 12:10:59 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe we need to become the leaders who demonstrate that shared vision and collaborative leadership can accomplish
2009-03-15 12:11:01 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I guess I want to be appreciated, but I do it anyway.
2009-03-15 12:11:20 [Message] xmath -> -EdTechTalk: The education system seems to believe that every school needs to constantly be reinventing the wheel. It wouldn't be appropriate to use a curriculum which was developed outside the school.
2009-03-15 12:11:30 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: I presented at CUE, had a great write up of my classroom by Peggy George, and had an article published YET/BUT no one in my district acknowledged any of it - it depends on the culture of the district.
2009-03-15 12:11:32 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: "Work to rule"  just worked hours of contract. No extras. No clubs. No PTO meetings. No volunteer district meetings.
2009-03-15 12:11:47 [Message] noahtyme -> -EdTechTalk: Do we work all the extra hours to feel valued?  Are we simply searching to feel validated and disguise it as passion for learning ;)
2009-03-15 12:12:02 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @jackiegerstein I was a CUE too, sorry I missed your preso
2009-03-15 12:12:17 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @Jackie That was a great article- wish you were closer so I could come visit!
2009-03-15 12:12:22 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i was told once that all my IEP mtgs had to be held b4 and after school - made me mad so i said i would only hold them during my contract hours (15 min. b4 and 15 min. after) - they changed their mind
2009-03-15 12:12:39 [Message] Gail Desler -> -EdTechTalk: @jackgerstein - where can I find the article
2009-03-15 12:12:49 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Parents still view their children't education through the lens of their own educational experiences
2009-03-15 12:13:21 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks - Maureen - I guess I have to get acknowledge outside of the district - but safly it does not help educate the district and parent community about 21st century learning
2009-03-15 12:13:31 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: sadly
2009-03-15 12:14:10 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: and I always tell them what extra learning I am going to
2009-03-15 12:14:28 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: How are you defining balance - I am fine with all of this out of school activity - it is enriching/invigorating!
2009-03-15 12:14:40 [Message] dufourc -> -EdTechTalk: Teaching... that'S what it's all about and drives us ... always to find better ways, engage kids...
2009-03-15 12:14:54 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I take mini vacations fro twitter, etc. Just sit back and read, relax. I do feel like I'm missing out if I'm not connected, but need to step back sometimes.
2009-03-15 12:15:16 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i kind of think of balance in relation to addictions - if it interferes with your life, other relationships, etc. - then u need to look at it closely and back off
2009-03-15 12:15:32 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: I think this is my balance- I choose it over possible activities
2009-03-15 12:15:56 [Message] noahtyme -> -EdTechTalk: Instead of the word balance--how do you find to be "in the moment."  How do you stop thinking about tomorrow?  Stop reflecting? 
2009-03-15 12:16:01 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: My kids are grown and gone.. so I don't have a family to take care of, which makes a difference. But when they were home, I think I did the same thing.
2009-03-15 12:16:09 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Good question Noah
2009-03-15 12:16:19 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: @noah I never stop reflecting
2009-03-15 12:17:27 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: my hubby even laughs now and tells me he can see me thinking of how i can get something into a blog post about teaching :)
2009-03-15 12:18:08 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: its in our blood
2009-03-15 12:18:09 [Message] nancykeane -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen. I'm in the same position except for the gone part. My kids and grandkids have moved in with me. Retreating to my room and my computer is my recreation!
2009-03-15 12:18:17 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: My byline is is "I do not do teaching for a living, I teach as my doing."
2009-03-15 12:18:21 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: if you want to be in moment , try meditation :-)
2009-03-15 12:18:27 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: It's our way of being
2009-03-15 12:18:28 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I spent the moring catching up on twitter, watching a magic schoolbus video I want to use when I get back from break. Yesterday read Disrupting Class. Not terribly balanced. But I really do enjoy learning- all the time. If it was nice out and I didn't have 2 feet of snow on the ground I would play in the garden!
2009-03-15 12:19:53 [Message] joelz -> -EdTechTalk: sorry, baby time. I'll just have to catch the podcast. Later.
2009-03-15 12:20:24 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: schedules to me are pretty much "tentative"
2009-03-15 12:20:37 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: david allen
2009-03-15 12:20:50 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: It can't work - too many opportunties these days - for example just got a twitter about some streaming media from the ASCD conference
2009-03-15 12:21:07 [Message] noahtyme -> -EdTechTalk: I don't think it is as simple as "I am a teacher."  Always thinking about tomorrow leads to stress.  Those "passionate" teachers just have great coping skills.  Can you stop thinking about school?  There are positive addictions, but they are still addictions.
2009-03-15 12:21:08 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: When I have deadlines- like getting my grades and comments done- My house gets cleaned. I tend to go to the avoidance schedule whenever possible.
2009-03-15 12:22:35 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: this is a  good article on
2009-03-15 12:22:38 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk:
2009-03-15 12:22:56 [Message] dufourc -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers, like every population (in the math sense) are spread out on the bell curve continuum in terms of certain characteristics. So there are several issue: like how teachers who are movers and groovers in their field can maintain their enthusiasm depite cultures and bosses that would stiffle them.
2009-03-15 12:23:54 [Message] dufourc -> -EdTechTalk: And then there is how to move those who are just not quite there yet to find that ehntusiasm and dicover the pleasures of autonomy and self discovery
2009-03-15 12:24:15 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @sheila- is there a student program in Belize or is it just for teachers?
2009-03-15 12:24:17 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for giving us this opportunity to talk and share
2009-03-15 12:24:37 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: this was a wonderful conversation! thank u!
2009-03-15 12:24:44 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: For teachers but we use a model so teachers can take students. Many have done that.
2009-03-15 12:25:00 [Message] jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks - always love the conversation!
2009-03-15 12:25:02 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk:
2009-03-15 12:25:03 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: Tried to develop a protocol for others to use.
2009-03-15 12:25:13 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @sheila thx.. I will talk to you soon re earth day. Have questions
2009-03-15 12:25:21 [Message] sheila A -> -EdTechTalk: ok
2009-03-15 12:25:54 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: great to hear you all is a great time to be a teacher
2009-03-15 12:26:31 [Message] loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: bye y'all!
2009-03-15 12:26:49 [Message] casterline -> -EdTechTalk: take care
2009-03-15 12:26:54 [Message] noahtyme -> -EdTechTalk: Have I met you before?
2009-03-15 12:27:04 [Message] dufourc -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks
2009-03-15 12:27:07 [Message] kapil -> -EdTechTalk: as a budding teacher, this conversation helped me get ready for the REAL world teaching
2009-03-15 12:27:29 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Bye everyone!
2009-03-15 12:27:57 [Message] lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Bye all