WOW2 Show #103 with George Siemens

Special Guest: George Siemens on Looking Back and Looking Forward


Chat Log:


20:55:34 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @gsiemens is a very nice guy.

20:55:44 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: I've heard that.

20:55:44 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: i just wonder if he's teaching Thursday night

20:56:04 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: guest478 must be cormier

20:56:30 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: i.e., the insult gave it away :)

20:56:40 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: unless, of course, I'm wrong

20:57:40 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi everyone-has the stream started yet?

20:57:49 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: hey y'all

20:57:55 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Matt

20:58:03 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: hey peggy

20:58:27 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Is there a radio show this week Matt?

20:59:22 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: peggy...yep, we are going to broadcast tomorrow nite at 6:30 pm...we have a planning meeting should b at 6:30 unless that changes (Pacific time)

20:59:27 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for asking

20:59:29 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Sharon is working out some streaming problems with Dave. Should be up soon.

20:59:43 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: thanks-will try to join you!

20:59:57 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: thanks peggy

21:00:27 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: we've got all the great minds trying to get us streaming

21:00:39 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: Dave always causes problems

21:01:00 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think the radio show overlaps with Teachers Teaching Teachers tomorrow night.

21:02:10 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @peggyg...I think u r right about that...we may change it to 8 pm, but it all depends on the schedules of a few students...

21:02:34 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: TTT is from 6-7 PST.

21:03:00 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: gotcha peggy...and right now u are on pacific time too, right??

21:03:14 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: no--1 hour later

21:03:31 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: crazy AZ time--no daylight savings changes

21:03:34 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: ahh...I was under the impression that phoenix didn't have a time change...

21:03:52 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: right-we don't change, but you do

21:03:58 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: got it...

21:04:27 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I hear audio

21:04:29 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: hearing some stream :-) Yeah!

21:04:32 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I can hear great

21:04:34 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: stream sounds good

21:04:53 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: can you guys hear sharon and george?

21:05:04 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I can hear sharon

21:05:05 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: can hear Sharon and George

21:05:09 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: ha

21:05:24 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I can hear sharon, she's breaking up a bit

21:05:31 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: and Cheri too!! life is good!

21:05:41 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: mad typing yea

21:05:52 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: closing down stuff on my computer

21:05:58 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: you sound good Sharon

21:06:03 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Sharon you are good

21:06:04 [Message] kcaise -> -EdTechTalk: yes

21:06:17 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: You are good now

21:06:22 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Sharon is fine.

21:06:26 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: audio sounds good.

21:06:31 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: yes good audio George

21:06:33 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: George isn't too bad.

21:06:37 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: he's pretty bad

21:06:37 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Someone is recording?

21:06:39 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: @peggy - thanks

21:06:39 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: there isn't a delay with the new system??

21:06:41 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: don't encourage him

21:06:44 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: I am not recording

21:06:59 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: just hit record now

21:06:59 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Sharon -- are you recording?

21:07:12 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I'm happy to record

21:07:23 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: levels appear good... but as i can't hear them...

21:07:31 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: loud typing

21:07:35 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Happy new year everyone!

21:07:36 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk:

21:07:43 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: someone should invent a felt keyboard

21:07:46 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: or shag

21:08:02 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk:

21:08:03 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: funny!!!

21:08:26 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: what about a touch screen keyboard ;-)

21:08:39 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I think we've heard enough about that one in the mac rumors!

21:08:44 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: @matt - yeah, that would work too

21:08:57 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk:

21:10:25 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk:

21:10:58 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: someone's moving sounds like

21:11:06 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: and table dancing

21:11:28 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I remember when "cooperative learning" was the buzz...

21:11:47 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I like "collaboration." Quite different than cooperative learning

21:11:51 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: i iz illustrious

21:11:55 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: it's called global whining

21:12:04 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: that's all i do when i'm traveling and on twitter

21:12:25 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: I've noticed that

21:12:45 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: "it's so late" "the timezone is difficult"

21:13:19 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: So glad you're joining us George!

21:13:29 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: global whining.... LOL

21:13:54 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: systemic barriers ... I like that!

21:14:29 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: yup, wow, George beats me - I figgered I did about 45,000 miles

21:15:18 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: hey durff

21:15:34 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: hey durff... nice you've got the java working

21:15:36 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: :)

21:16:34 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: do you see different systemic barries in higher ed than k-12 ed?

21:16:35 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: radical constructivism .... interesting term

21:16:43 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: babble

21:16:44 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: barriers--sorry!

21:16:57 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i didn't guest478- this is safari

21:17:02 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: welcome Heyjude!

21:17:06 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: on other laptop

21:17:18 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: Hey there!  should I be hearing sound?

21:17:25 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: yes

21:17:26 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: ETTA

21:17:27 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: started yet?

21:17:33 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: Yes Heyjude

21:17:34 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: ETTA blue icon

21:17:36 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: oh yes, but just

21:17:38 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: I can't hear anything either

21:17:41 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: sorry, not getting anything.

21:17:50 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: click the blue icon

21:17:53 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: try one of the other streaming icons

21:18:00 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: under ETT A

21:18:20 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: george making sharon laugh

21:18:28 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: gotta hear this

21:18:54 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I someone running the vacuum

21:19:05 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: that would be Dave

21:19:07 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: is*

21:19:14 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: housecleaning?

21:19:20 [Message] anachorete -> -EdTechTalk: on mac the 1st icon works verry fine with itunes #audiauso

21:19:22 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: @Heyjud - try the blue icon under ed tech talk A

21:19:24 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: are you still hearing audio from my house?

21:19:27 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: tell them to come clean my place

21:19:42 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I really liked getting The Daily to follow what was happening with the course. I was just a lurker.

21:19:51 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: well, only if you are multitasking in a most appreciated way

21:19:54 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: no fine now dave

21:20:00 [Message] anachorete -> -EdTechTalk: hi helen ;-)))))

21:20:17 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff  thanks, I'm on now with audio

21:20:18 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: We are good now.

21:20:23 [Message] helenabaert -> -EdTechTalk: Hey. What's this all about?

21:20:24 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I'm not hearing background sound

21:20:32 [Message] DianeHammond -> -EdTechTalk: I thought it was just my brain on overload :-)

21:20:41 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: sharon could come clean anyway

21:20:44 [Message] celeste -> -EdTechTalk: was fuzzy and going in and out for just a moment

21:20:55 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe it is cognitive overload

21:21:29 [Message] anachorete -> -EdTechTalk: @helen audio comes from the icons on the right 1st=itunes etc...

21:22:06 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: the noises in the background remind me about a cricket that once undermined the ETT Weekly show (turns out it was in Jeff's basement) it was loud and very funny at the time

21:22:18 [Message] helenabaert -> -EdTechTalk: My sound doesn't appear to work!

21:22:55 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: it's really helpful to me to hear those divergent points of view

21:23:52 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: good debate thrives on criticism and divergent points of view

21:23:57 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: In a network world - everyone has an opinion - be ready to back it up - or be challenged

21:24:07 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: I am using the audio from real time - - on one page and have this open in another

21:24:21 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: but bad behavioiur online is bad behaviour anywhere

21:24:31 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: so diplomatic she is

21:24:32 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I think we have to look at our own walls in this

21:24:59 [Message] anachorete -> -EdTechTalk: @helen for mac use the 1st for windows use 3rd (wmediaplayer?)

21:25:02 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: negativism can be distructive, though difference of opinion doesn't have to adopt negativism

21:25:12 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Great point - it depends on the audience, enivonment, and goals of the "group"

21:25:27 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I like the "push back" --there has been a fair amount to stir my thinking

21:25:34 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: in very open environments I think each person has to take responsibility for their own learning and responses to people with bad behavior online

21:25:44 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: adults? you're calling me an adult?

21:26:00 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: may a dult?

21:26:01 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Is "bad" just a different perspective?

21:26:24 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @durff i would go so far as to call you an 'adult'

21:26:26 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: no I think bad was rudeness

21:26:35 [Message] helenabaert -> -EdTechTalk: no, there is a problem with my sound system on my laptop. Been bugging me for awhile now. Have to keep restarting the computer. Anoying!

21:26:45 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: (I don't know what the circumstances were, so my comments may not be relevant)

21:26:45 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i'm happy at 12 yrs of age

21:27:05 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: Only open minds can change.  Trying to convince closed minded people is a waste of time and energy

21:27:10 [Message] DianeHammond -> -EdTechTalk: In a world of

21:28:01 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: or the "need" for power in a group of adults.  Disruptive vs. different in terms of discourse.

21:28:28 [Message] DianeHammond -> -EdTechTalk: In a world of "pull" how can you kick someone out? Their tags are going to intrude, enter the network?

21:28:29 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi vinnie

21:28:31 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: Is em"power"ment the exercise of power on oneself?

21:28:33 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think there's a difference between criticizing the content/perspective and criticizing the person

21:28:58 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Happy New Years All!

21:29:15 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: HI Vinnie, Happy New Year to you too!

21:29:24 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I was in a closed elliminate session this week where people in the chat room were very critical of the presenter

21:29:33 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @PeggyG Do rude people cross that line between criticizing content vs person line?

21:29:43 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: "disruption that causes us to think" :)

21:29:47 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think so

21:30:05 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: there is no content

21:30:07 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: :)

21:30:18 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: that's why i like dave cormier

21:30:25 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: he is content free

21:30:27 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: by content I mean ideas

21:30:34 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: heh

21:30:38 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: style differences?

21:30:41 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: delivery?

21:30:47 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: An aha!  Maybe it is the same syndrome as the behind the wheel of a car.Some people often act different in the anonymity of the car shield - maybe the same thing occurs behind the anonymity of the avatar or username.

21:30:51 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: sorry to be late, but who is the guest tonight?

21:30:57 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: online dating i think

21:30:59 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: George Siemens

21:31:02 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: please explain more of the attributes of connectivism

21:31:09 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: @CheriT - thanks

21:31:16 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: :)

21:31:17 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: thought it may be

21:31:24 [Message] DianeHammond -> -EdTechTalk: Makes you wonder how you can "control" your network.

21:31:43 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @DianeHammond i don't think the sentence even makes sense in this context

21:31:48 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Grrat question, Sharon

21:31:49 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Amazing live talk by George from a distance learning conference - his view on connectisivism -

21:31:51 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Ha!

21:31:53 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: they're almost opposites

21:32:26 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: this is a great point

21:32:39 [Message] celeste -> -EdTechTalk: wish I could stay longer... will check back for more good discussion next time

21:32:49 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: if it's just a question of being 'given' the answer... that's collecting

21:33:06 [Message] DianeHammond -> -EdTechTalk: @guest478 I didn't explain my self. Sorry, thinking in my head and with my fingers doesn't always work :-9

21:33:07 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: bye Celeste

21:33:26 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: learning creates confusion

21:33:29 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Yikes!

21:33:30 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @DianneHammond and my response reads more 'critical' than i meant it

21:33:43 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I thinki know that i don't know that I know what I know, you know?

21:33:48 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: the struggle of figuring out and understanding is learning - its tough work

21:34:02 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Dr. Ottenheimer did not offer any answers. He did not even help me discover my own answers. Instead, he helped me find questions I had never asked before. The answers to such questions were just more questions.  And so he launched me on a lifelong quest, question after question after question.  Michael Wesch, 2008 US Professional of the Year  

21:34:13 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: I had a much clearer sense of what i didn't know after the connectivism course

21:34:20 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: Did you invent the internet George?

21:34:23 [Message] helenabaert -> -EdTechTalk: Will try to restart comp so I can listen in!

21:34:38 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: No Al Gore invented the internet

21:34:45 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: Yo am.

21:34:47 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Teacher, cormier is bugging me...

21:34:57 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: dave you know he invented it

21:35:15 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @jan smith I think i may have heard that befiore

21:35:38 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I know you have heard it before. Your students say it all the time

21:35:42 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Hi all!

21:36:11 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @jansmith that is a great quote!

21:36:13 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: the students that cry in dave's class say that

21:36:14 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: I seem to have lost the audio.  I'll check out the podcast.  Many thanks!

21:36:18 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: educators role is to provide multiplicty of perspectives

21:36:20 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: What is tonights topic-sorry I missed the intro

21:36:30 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: George Siemens signs.

21:36:32 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Connectivism

21:36:33 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: good news that there will be more courses

21:36:34 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi angela

21:36:37 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: sings

21:36:39 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks!

21:36:41 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: conectivism & bad behaviour online

21:36:43 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: You, Cormier, in the corner for a time-out!

21:36:47 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: george is talking about his course

21:36:56 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: with dave bugging him

21:37:05 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: great fun for all

21:37:06 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: right now George is talking about the connectivism and connected knowledge open course

21:38:18 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: i will be.

21:38:18 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: that must have been fascinating to hear the perspectives on connectivism from so many different countries!

21:38:23 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: if we are all working in a networked world, why would it surprise you that we are aware, involved, or interested in the course around the world?

21:38:30 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: the power of the network - i've learned so much from my PLN this past year

21:38:36 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: it's interesting to hear that you are surprised :-)

21:38:45 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: I watched some recorded keynotes by George - the audience argued with him that teachers need to LECTURE the content.

21:39:16 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: As opposed to reading it?

21:39:23 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @jackie wow. were they U level?

21:39:38 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: @ColetteC- A second that! It is amazing!

21:39:39 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @James Ha! :)

21:39:47 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: not being the source threatens a lot of established teachers

21:40:02 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: some voices are louder than others

21:40:23 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: For so many teacher I work with - it freaks them out!

21:40:27 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: But then I could not long be Master of the Universe if I gave up my power at the front the room

21:40:29 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: That is not all bad!

21:40:34 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Hmmm, my kids tell me I'm wrong all the time.

21:40:55 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Knowing versus learning.

21:41:13 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: Oh yeah!  Netbooks will be great!

21:41:27 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: I sense the dark side entering the room

21:41:30 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Is theothermrsdurff really Cormier?

21:41:34 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: speaking of netbooks...

21:41:34 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: and we appreciate the time you fellows spent on the course!

21:41:40 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: They were college teachers - the one I remember most distinctly -

21:42:02 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: I will have 15 netbooks when i get back to school.

21:42:02 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: this is the mini on FF in the chatroom

21:42:20 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: oh no, there

21:42:27 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: and broader adoption .... that is the sign of success

21:42:27 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: re eve3ryqwhered

21:42:32 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @ Jackie, thanks for the link

21:42:34 [Message] AndYetAnotherDurff -> -EdTechTalk: MrsDurff is a Heretic (If you read Tribes - That's a good thing)

21:42:43 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: It is Cormier!

21:42:48 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i loved that book

21:42:50 [Message] AndYetAnotherDurff -> -EdTechTalk: I am a loyal follower of Durff

21:43:01 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: sure and i

21:43:07 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: @ Jan you're welcome - I thought his talk was brilliant!  I wish more would "get it"

21:43:07 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: The "it is possible" is one of the reasons I love teaching with technology - offers so much possibility

21:43:08 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: m queen

21:43:20 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: who can't type on a mini

21:43:24 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: so, we have been durffed.

21:43:24 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

21:43:36 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: lol

21:43:42 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: @jamessigler- here, here!

21:44:08 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: run!

21:44:10 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: We can hope!

21:44:17 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Durff- I wish I could see your face now as you are reading the chat!

21:44:21 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: even the concept of team teaching is not a normal approach in most schools/colleges

21:44:28 [Message] AndYetAnotherDurff -> -EdTechTalk: me three

21:44:37 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i'm laughung

21:44:46 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: variety?

21:44:46 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers are taking back creative control!

21:44:48 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: Learning from each other online = knowing what is possible

21:44:55 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Hey it's an economic colapse...

21:44:55 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: the spce of life?

21:45:05 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: pass the tp

21:45:14 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: :)

21:45:47 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: Connecting online gives everyone to find someone in their "group" who shares their ideas, opinions - or also a place to debate

21:45:58 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: It is a mindset issue not a capacity issue

21:46:01 [Message] AndYetAnotherDurff -> -EdTechTalk: what some see as opportunity, many see a problem

21:46:12 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: New technology is cheaper than a new building

21:46:26 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I don't know if change of the systemic kind can happen within the traditional school model...I'm not sure it can...

21:46:38 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: agreed, colette.  Common interests and what they are passionate about and will commit to

21:46:47 [Message] AndYetAnotherDurff -> -EdTechTalk: ciao folks...have a great yeat.  continue to be gadflies!

21:46:54 [Message] theothermrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: too learn ed a discussion for me

21:47:06 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @ matt, I feel we can't do it without a real crisis, but I don't want a crisis

21:47:24 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: It's interesting how many have touted that great ideas and design have come out of times of economic downturn - maybe the focus is on design and being innovative - instead of $$

21:47:37 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: giving us over to cloud computing

21:48:00 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Went to a talk this afternoon in Second Life "Possible, probable, and preferable futures of Education in Virtual Worlds"   An heated discussion occurred regarding pedagogy - the question being "does a new pedagogy need to evolve given the new technologies?

21:48:18 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: True, the institution of school resists reform and unfortunately it may take crash before we can rebuild it.

21:48:28 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Can you give a simple ex. of cloud computing, please?

21:48:36 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: I hope I'm wrong

21:48:54 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: i agree james

21:49:00 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk:

21:49:13 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: YOur words :)

21:49:20 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: problem being ownership

21:49:27 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I've felt that way for a while, reason a school should b investing in expensive LAN storage systems...

21:49:37 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: and the means of production... if you'll forgive the Marx

21:49:39 [Message] sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: what about accountability in PD?

21:49:46 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: A big fat pipe is all that is needed...

21:49:51 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Pedagogy first then the technology - What is good pedagogy?

21:49:56 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @Jan if the processor is as fast as the internet connection, then it would be just as fast to load the software from the internet as from the computer.

21:50:06 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: panic for me.

21:50:14 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Professional Development is key! It has to be done right!

21:50:16 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: it was the panic of having 275 writing students

21:50:33 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Who is the moderator - lovely voice?

21:50:38 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: Pedagogy needs to be the visions of the entire staff - the admins need to create an environment of learning among teachers - just like teachers do with their students

21:50:58 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: It is the WIFM factor?

21:51:11 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: kids learn if they find value in it

21:51:13 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: student engagement through technology was my motivation

21:51:17 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @Jackie Bloom's higher level learning, Marzano's research-based principles.

21:51:17 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: trust, permission to take risks and an environment of learning as THE most important thing... that is what we need

21:51:23 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @BronSt the lovely Sharon Peters

21:51:26 [Message] helenabaert -> -EdTechTalk: @coletteC is that even possible - visions of the entire staff congruent?

21:51:47 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: big difference btwn learning and passing the test

21:52:02 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: @congruent?  Maybe - but moving forward - learning & discussing - have goals to work for

21:52:24 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: threatening is better than bribing

21:52:32 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: I would like to see connectivism analysed in much more detail in a school

21:52:40 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: someone was lementing that their school has had Mel Levine in to speak like 6 times over the years, and nothing really has changed...

21:52:45 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: @heyjude - yes

21:52:48 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: ( there are never enough durffs to go around)

21:52:53 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: i would like to do a connectivism and k-12 course

21:52:56 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: school and uni is different in a variety of ways

21:53:03 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: The stick is better than the carrot?  Kohn?

21:53:04 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: you have demonstrated your belief in that dave

21:53:35 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: my network is me

21:53:46 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: @Heyjude - love to see professional learning groups examine connectivism - as a powerful learning tool for themselves as professions and for their students

21:53:49 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: if teacher don't value their own learning, how can we expect themt o value student learning?

21:53:53 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: the network is the carrot, but still some won't bit.

21:54:00 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: *bite

21:54:17 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: PD - its all about creating an environment of learning.  Why do teachers still feel like they don't need to be lifelong learners

21:54:40 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: championing the teacher as life long learner - The school's vision is key

21:54:42 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: removing fear is motivating

21:54:42 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Pondering what conversations would be like if we taught teachers to read feeds, comment on blogs, share links, and connect weekly like we all do...imagine what would come of it...and it is FREE PD!

21:55:11 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @Jan the network is more like that feast than the carrot.  It can bring us real nourishment, not just a treat.

21:55:18 [Message] kcaise -> -EdTechTalk: very good point @angelamaiers

21:55:24 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: I create motivation in my class by having an authentic audience - how do we recreate that for teachers - i believe they haven't seen the power of the PLN yet

21:55:25 [Message] jeffmason -> -EdTechTalk: 15 minutes a day

21:55:27 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers need to feel valued and to feel that their own learning is important and crticial to the quality and vision

21:55:28 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: @angela - those practices should be the same ones used in teacher education programs

21:55:29 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I think we may be our own worst enemies here--do you colleagues think you spend too much time on this?

21:55:39 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @ColetteC--any why do teachers feel they need to be paid for their learning time outside of the school day? :-(

21:55:40 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: I think that for many teachers- evaluation of their teaching negates their belief in learning, trying new things, letting others know that they don't know everything.

21:55:48 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Yes-absolutely!

21:55:52 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: teachers are their own worse enemies LOL

21:56:11 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: "i don't have time" & "i'm not interested"

21:56:12 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: I think teachers have had so much bad PD, they are weary

21:56:18 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: bronst, agreed

21:56:20 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: @Peggy because they don't feel their time is valued

21:56:22 [Message] Jackie G -> -EdTechTalk: Just In time vis Just In Case professional development

21:56:25 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: would we have non-bike riders teach others to ride bikes? We need to help teachers rediscover the thrill of learning!

21:56:32 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: and if teaching doesn't demand us to do/learn something new, then it doesn't happen

21:56:37 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: change schools

21:56:40 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: too many new programs mandated without any PD

21:56:43 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: change learning

21:56:49 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: We have had much PD esp tech pd without true follow up, in time support

21:56:49 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: I agree Gail

21:56:52 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: teachers will have to go with the change then

21:57:14 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: I think the best interview question for hiring a new teacher should be-Tell me something you have learned recently...the answer is more important than their resume

21:57:15 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: a shared vision about goals is a HUGE key!

21:57:17 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers commit lots of hours online but not to their own learning - much is researching student value

21:57:24 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, follow through, just-in time learning and support is needed.

21:57:30 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: butchering is too kind

21:57:32 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: The most valuable resource in the classroom for teachers is time.  The the "Free PD" worth the time spent?

21:57:45 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: no such thing as free

21:57:54 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: I'm free :)

21:57:57 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: my webcasting that is

21:58:03 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: mentoring seems to be the most effective in many settings

21:58:09 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: but time has costs.

21:58:11 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: although... i suppose... you are stuck with my commentary

21:58:25 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @glovely not in my world

21:58:27 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: Forced PD=failure for most teachers

21:58:33 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: most effective PD I provide is in the classrooms of teachers with their kids and their tech.

21:58:33 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: @glovely not all of it.

21:58:58 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: during their day

21:59:20 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: in economics, we exchange time for $ ($/hr).  Is teacher time more valuable than $?

21:59:25 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: even better if I don't have to leave home!

21:59:28 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: The online content also needs the social network around it to make it successful

21:59:30 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: The issue is not time-it is how the time is spent-teachers will spend hours correcting fill in the blank worksheets or cutting out laminated bulliten board icons, but will back at doing anything with theory or pedagogy

21:59:41 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @glovely--- is there research to support that model? It seems logical

21:59:53 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Waving from Australia

22:00:08 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: waving back

22:00:12 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: glovely-shared vision goes a long way. Teacher buy in and support.

22:00:15 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: wonderful talk tonight Sharon, Cheri and George...

22:00:17 [Message] Heyjude -> -EdTechTalk: wow, I didn't know that, and I'm from Australia!

22:00:27 [Message] matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: Great stuff...I really enjoyed it...

22:00:28 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: hmmm not sure about research - am doing it now (well, tomorrow) and have been doing it for some time. - nearly all (>90% report higher levels of tech use and comfort)

22:00:57 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Tertiary education - International students are bread and butter

22:01:09 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @glovely I am pushing in my district for this model.

22:01:58 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: @jan I believe in it... wish I had research to back it up.

22:02:00 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: thanks to all.

22:02:14 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: @jan you can email me or DM me in twitter

22:02:28 [Message] howmanydurffsarethere? -> -EdTechTalk: mini going to bed - say goodnight johnboy

22:02:30 [Message] Nancy Caramanico -> -EdTechTalk: @ncara in twitter

22:02:33 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: hey!

22:02:38 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @angela exactly!  Teachers only have so much time.  They must choose how they spend it.   Grading worksheets and preparing bulletin boards or PLN and higher level thinking projects?

22:02:39 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @glovely thank you :)

22:02:40 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: everyone listens to this!

22:02:59 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: everyone who?

22:03:17 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: all those mrsdurffs out there for instance

22:03:25 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: ah!!

22:03:39 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: the name needs substantial revision

22:04:00 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i like my name

22:04:16 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: We do to Durff! We just like you!

22:04:32 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: ( I wasn't talking about that--:) It was about instructional technologist

22:04:37 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: netbooks may a computer to every desktop to reality.  It was thought impossible 20 years ago.

22:04:43 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: bribery will get you everywhere

22:04:56 [Message] LindaN -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you all for a great discussion tonight.

22:05:09 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: Textbook companies may be the big push-back.  School districts could create their own texts.

22:05:36 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: We have to stop bagging teachers and build up their professional status!

22:05:49 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I so agree with the point about the futility of sequencing content at the university--but the system demands it which goes back to the original point of the need for systemic change

22:06:11 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: students need to be re-educated also

22:06:20 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @Gary true, textbook and testing companies can either be a major detractor or a major help.  Either way, their role will change.

22:06:24 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: many of them don't want the responsibility that comes along with the power

22:07:31 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Hate to go-this is great conversation tonight! Have a good one all!

22:07:35 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: It seems that new text books with their on-line components are less useful than the older ones - the links seem to be irrelevant.

22:07:36 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: You mean it is easier to learn in a class than to teach in it?  The power shifts

22:07:40 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: i think george is paranoid... no one would taunt him.

22:07:56 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: :)

22:08:03 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: is this the 1 1/2 hour show?

22:08:03 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: treat teachers as the professionals they are and value them and they will be motivated to take up new professional practices

22:08:06 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: Students already work around the educational system

22:08:11 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: maybe just one...

22:08:16 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: @durff - sorry, I talk too much

22:08:45 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i didn't say that, guest did

22:08:57 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @gary true,  for textbook companies this see the print textbook as the foundation and the online component just a suppliment

22:09:08 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: yeah dave!

22:09:09 [Message] ColetteC -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you George - great discussions tonight

22:09:11 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: :D

22:09:15 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: this conversation will continue! lots of great thought-provoking points

22:09:17 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: thx George

22:09:17 [Message] gsiemens -> -EdTechTalk: thanks all for listening

22:09:36 [Message] glovely -> -EdTechTalk: thanks everyone, good to think deeply! g'nite

22:09:36 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Thaks that was great.

22:09:40 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: @James - you must have the experience!

22:09:44 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: good night everyone

22:09:44 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: thank you all!

22:09:50 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: Great show.  Enjoyed the CCK08 podcasts Dave

22:09:51 [Message] Cheri T -> -EdTechTalk: Happy New Year!!

22:09:56 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: yeah Dave!

22:10:00 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: Dave Cormier rocks!

22:10:19 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: night johnboy

22:10:31 [Message] BronSt -> -EdTechTalk: good afternoon from Aus

22:10:48 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: @Gary yes our science and social studies publishers' sites are basically irrelevent. 

22:11:47 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: @James - I am recently retired but the new "texts" seem almost useless with regards to their "tech" parts.

22:12:40 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: They don't get it.  The books should be digital and open.  That way we are just paying for the content, not the publishing. 

22:13:20 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: That may be why teachers may "write" their own based on the curriculum they are to teach.

22:13:22 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: It would reduce their expense, but it would also reduce their revenues. 

22:13:57 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: Agreed, We may just have to write our own open textbooks

22:14:25 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: Good conversation - good night!

22:14:38 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: You're retired now Gary.  You can write them for us right.  :)

22:14:54 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: Great show

22:15:30 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: Actually I am spending a great deal of time in the classroom - subbing and doing work for teachers in training.

22:15:38 [Message] Gary -> -EdTechTalk: Fun!

22:15:58 [Message] James Sigler -> -EdTechTalk: sound like it, enjoyed the conversation, g'night