Doug - Fri, 2008-06-06 16:54
Happy 3rd Birthday EdTechTalk.com
The "Happy Birthday" edition of the EdTechBrainstorm.
I'm joined by Dave Cormier, Alice Mercer, Sheila Adams, Alex Ragone, Derrall Garrison in the Skype voice conference. And many of the "usual suspects" in the chatroom. Thanks to all.
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21:00:00 ds : greetings
21:00:37 PeggyG : Hi all-have you started streaming?
21:01:15 alice mercer : Peggy must be from the East Coast
21:01:19 alice mercer : Hi There!
21:01:58 PeggyG : Not me-Phoenix AZ :-)
21:02:15 ds : Hi Peggy and Alice
21:02:19 ds : we're live
21:02:27 ds : more tunes from CCMixter
21:02:34 ds : speaking of which
21:02:35 PeggyG : Never really sure I have the right time because Phoenix doesn't use daylight savings time
21:03:07 ds : http://ccmixter.org/thread/1482
21:03:23 ds : Hi Sheila
21:03:40 sheila : hey there!
21:03:42 PeggyG : Getting the tunes :-) thought I was hearing an old show :-)
21:04:10 ds : this is one called "Remix Culture Addict"
21:04:40 ds : by shagrugge
21:05:01 ds : and now "My Fair Lady" by David Byrne
21:05:02 PeggyG : Remix is something totally new to me--you'll have to do a show on it sometime to explain :-)
21:05:25 ds : it's reusing material that's already published
21:05:40 ds : plaigerism taken to a new level, I guess
21:05:41 sheila : I talked with 2 schools today. They are out for the summer! We have 2 more weeks!
21:05:58 PeggyG : Wondered how that worked with copyright
21:06:11 ds : these ones are licensed as such
21:06:35 ds : creative commons, share alike, non-commercial
21:06:58 ds : copyright is a discussion that has to take place, to be sure
21:07:02 PeggyG : So you borrow the original and make it into something new by mixing it with other tunes?
21:07:25 ds : exactly, and--one hopes--adding value along the way
21:07:30 alice mercer : Hey, I have ONE week with only FOUR days
21:07:35 alice mercer : I'm so checked out already
21:07:37 PeggyG : Oh good point--adding value :-)
21:08:15 alice mercer : Doug does the most with music.
21:08:20 alice mercer : I just sing during sound check, lol
21:08:56 PeggyG : I don't know how to sing along with this tune :-)
21:09:28 alice mercer : Guest, who is the guest?????
21:09:35 ds : salut @mrsdurff
21:09:39 ds : welcome
21:09:40 mrsdurff : halo
21:10:02 sheila : and the flavor tonight?
21:10:09 ds : you never know Alice, you play your cards right...
21:10:11 PeggyG : Hi Durff-we're traveling the same paths today:)
21:10:21 alice mercer : Oh please!
21:10:31 ds : Happy Birthday to EdTechTalk, 3 today!!
21:10:48 ds : re theme
21:10:54 PeggyG : Now that's worth celebrating--happy birthday ETT!
21:10:56 mrsdurff : who chose this music?
21:10:59 ds : ds
21:11:05 alice mercer : Doug as always...
21:11:11 mrsdurff : oh my-this calls for coffee
21:11:23 PeggyG : any of that homemade bread left?
21:11:30 ds : excellent, me too please @mrsdurff
21:12:07 alice mercer : So the kids are going on MixWit, which is a mixed bag, HEY want me to share that with you ds?
21:12:31 sheila : @ds - do you create your playlist ahead of time or just wing it?
21:12:41 ds : more of the former lately
21:12:49 ds : but more typically the latter re 'list
21:13:13 PeggyG : Is the music streaming? How are you capturing it?
21:13:52 ds : this one is called "Revolve" by HisBoyLeroy
21:14:10 ds : @PeggyG playing a file locally that I've downloaded
21:14:12 PeggyG : Revolve is my favorite so far!
21:14:21 ds : I like it too
21:14:30 alice mercer : I liked the David Byrne
21:14:43 ds : Beastie Boys are good too
21:14:50 alice mercer : Music has been so interesting with my students....
21:14:59 PeggyG : How do we find Revolve on the site to download?
21:15:02 alice mercer : Cause they really want to listen in the lab, but...
21:15:08 ds : it's on CCMixter
21:15:13 ds : just a sec
21:15:43 PeggyG : I'm on the site-can I access it without joining and logging in?
21:15:53 ds : yes
21:15:55 alice mercer : Most of the streaming audio sites have some stuff that doesn't meet broadcast standards, which makes it not appropriate for elementary lab.
21:16:20 alice mercer : So I'm letting the kids listen, but making them share with me...
21:16:34 PeggyG : @alice-what's an example of a broadcast standard?
21:16:48 alice mercer : In US, they have one of the seven dirty words
21:16:48 PeggyG : G-rated?
21:17:10 alice mercer : and that makes it NOT broadcastable on over the air radio
21:17:24 PeggyG : oh that makes sense. Thanks
21:17:39 alice mercer : Plus a lot of gangsta rap with b- and n- word that some of the kids love
21:17:47 alice mercer : Others have pretty innocent taste
21:18:01 alice mercer : They like to share it with me.
21:18:08 PeggyG : I'm definitely out of the loop--I don't listen to that kind of music-like raps
21:18:41 mrsdurff : hi derrall
21:18:44 derrallg : hey everyone
21:18:48 alice mercer : And it's pretty bland a$$ stuff, but no different from the bland pop of my childhood.
21:18:51 derrallg : hi durff
21:19:04 mrsdurff : how distracted can we make him?
21:19:33 PeggyG : Amazing how much ETT has grown since it started 3 years ago!
21:19:36 derrallg : what worked so far
21:19:37 alice mercer : no
21:19:38 mrsdurff : classical music!
21:19:58 PeggyG : Oh Durff--think we're in the same generation :-)
21:20:18 mrsdurff : he called me a suspect
21:20:22 alice mercer : Hey, I like classical too!
21:20:31 derrallg : @durff that sounds about right
21:20:38 alice mercer : and I played OPERA for the kids when they did a music unit
21:20:46 mrsdurff : pinch me when it's over
21:21:08 derrallg : I like classical too
21:21:21 PeggyG : I kinda like this one-mellow
21:21:36 derrallg : this sounds a little like Bjork
21:22:59 PeggyG : Alice went to sleep with that last tune :-)
21:23:49 derrallg : that's one I don't think I would get
21:24:15 PeggyG : The NECC countdown has begun!
21:24:50 PeggyG : Hi Dave-welcome! Any birthday cake there?
21:25:18 sheila : on phone
21:25:56 alice mercer : http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/
21:26:01 alice mercer : I'm counting down as you see
21:26:21 PeggyG : There are some great new developments happening on the NECC2008 ning related to streaming events for people who can't attend
21:27:15 sheila : i'm back . . . sorry
21:27:21 ds : np
21:27:30 alicemercer : http://ettatnecc.wikispaces.com/
21:27:31 PeggyG : Do we really have to sneak food into the Blogger's Cafe? Thought we ate there last year.
21:28:30 PeggyG : @Alice-I'm so excited that you're planning the daily review streaming. That will be great!
21:28:33 derrallg : I'll be there to webcast Alice we can do a tag team like CR 2.0
21:29:37 derrallg : sure ok
21:29:40 mrsdurff : is it over yet?
21:30:08 mrsdurff : hi michael
21:30:09 PeggyG : I think the food question came up on the NECC Unplugged planning this afternoon & Steve H. said we couldn't provide food there.
21:30:22 ds : more room in skype
21:30:24 PeggyG : But he didn't say we couldn't bring our own food
21:30:29 MICHAEL : Hi Again!
21:30:37 ds : c'mon in and wish ETT HappyBDay
21:30:44 MICHAEL : @mrsdurff THis is Fuzzhead from last-night
21:31:01 PeggyG : Calories are right for this virtual birthday cake :-)
21:31:20 derrallg : I worked at the Holiday Inn by the airport when I was 20 sor a sumer
21:31:29 mrsdurff : I need real food
21:31:39 MICHAEL : Alice Mercer! I feel like I know you!.... I've listened to all the Its Elementary Podcasts!!!! It's great to catch up with a live cast.
21:31:42 derrallg : what happened to your bread?
21:31:43 ds : MICHAEL aka Fuzzhead, welcome
21:31:54 alicemercer : http://mizmercer.edublogs.org/2008/06/02/well-id-like-to-go/
21:31:57 mrsdurff : fuzzhead? what a name
21:32:20 derrallg : DIY
21:32:22 MICHAEL : Last night they talked about VoiceThreads. and I LOVE IT... I am writing to an teacher right now about it...
21:32:22 PeggyG : Last year's WOW2 live show was fantastic with so many people telling the highlights of NECC from their perspective.
21:32:48 PeggyG : Now I understand the food point. Bring a big bag :-)
21:33:04 mrsdurff : Bestbuy bag!
21:33:10 MICHAEL : When and where is it?
21:33:46 PeggyG : The VoiceThreads discussion last night was really helpful. I want to explore creating a list for webslides on Diigo for Voicethread examples. Don't know if log in will be an issue.
21:33:47 MICHAEL : Jose Rodrigez?
21:33:48 mrsdurff : necc is in san antonio
21:33:59 mrsdurff : he'll be there
21:34:02 MICHAEL : Oh...that's a bit far from Boston.
21:34:25 mrsdurff : next year it is in DC
21:34:34 sheila : Hi Alexr
21:34:36 mrsdurff : hi alexr
21:34:39 alexr : happy bday ETT!
21:34:41 alexr : Hi Durff.
21:35:11 alexr : Just got back from a run -- very sweaty. Need to keep away from the keyboard while I dry out!;)
21:35:27 PeggyG : Those BestBuy bags were humungous!!!
21:35:43 derrallg : Why is there such a back lash about edupunk?
21:36:04 PeggyG : I'm still trying to figure out what edupunk is all about.
21:37:28 PeggyG : The GenYes kids in Phoenix are doing an incredible job with their tech training for teachers.
21:38:26 mrsdurff : that's different
21:38:56 mrsdurff : can alice do that again? no kidding
21:39:23 derrallg : @peggy I thought this was a good place to start for edupund by Doug Belshaw http://www.dougbelshaw.com/2008/05/30/are-you-an-edupunk-im-not/
21:39:56 mrsdurff : @derrall i don't like being called a punk
21:40:07 mrsdurff : esp by a kid
21:40:14 PeggyG : Thanks! Looks like important reading to me!
21:40:59 derrallg : I was a punk when I was a teen but it had a specific meaning
21:41:08 alicemercer : Same here derrallg
21:41:17 mrsdurff : rocky horror picture show
21:42:00 MICHAEL : I am a geek!
21:42:02 derrallg : Read Lipstick Traces by Greil Marcus for a history of punk
21:42:06 PeggyG : Why do people want edupunk heroes?
21:42:13 MICHAEL : I Code for a living...:)
21:43:04 MICHAEL : Tell me more about acheiving Critical mass for ed-tech in an elementary school!! How do I do that?
21:43:07 alexr : Sid Vicisou: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/43/017_PP0085~Sid-Vicious-P...
21:43:15 alexr : Vicious (sp!)
21:43:25 mrsdurff : hi jeff
21:43:33 alexr : I can see the edupunk thing.
21:43:35 jeffmason : hello
21:43:41 PeggyG : @alex-that guy doesn't have an iPod :-)
21:44:02 mrsdurff : coffee, tea, soda?
21:44:56 alexr : @PeggyG -- LOL.
21:45:01 mrsdurff : Maria is taking a cab to NECC
21:45:20 alexr : He would if he was still alive.
21:45:27 PeggyG : are any of your teachers using the cell phones in their curriculum?
21:45:38 mrsdurff : i do
21:46:26 PeggyG : @mrsdurff-so your school allows students to carry their cell phones around with them? Any other teachers using them in your school?
21:46:36 alexr : @PeggyG -- I have had Spanish teachers use Voice Mail for assignments.
21:46:41 mrsdurff : just me
21:46:59 PeggyG : @alexr Cool! Do they JOTT?
21:47:32 mrsdurff : http://www.pageflakes.com/susiewhoq_2000/
21:47:39 alicemercer : I've been messing around with Tumblr using text and photo for posting
21:47:42 mrsdurff : NECC Pageflakes
21:48:19 PeggyG : Love your NECC Pageflakes site! Big help to see everything in one place :-)
21:48:33 mrsdurff : Spanish students called in homework to Gabcast to which I subscribed and graded from RSS reader
21:48:38 jeffmason : admin/safety put the fear of bomb being detonated cell phone use
21:48:55 alicemercer : Jeff: WUH????
21:48:56 PeggyG : ETT should do a count of all of the shows/podcasts created by all groups over the past 3 years.
21:48:58 alicemercer : That' is crazy
21:48:59 mrsdurff : bombs?
21:49:12 jeffmason : we had a rash of bomb threats
21:49:23 mrsdurff : on cell phones?
21:49:38 alicemercer : ????Sounds like maybe their are using cells for bomb threats, not for detonating, lol
21:49:56 mrsdurff : parents are demanding students have cellphones
21:50:07 alicemercer : Needs to correctly recognize the real problem
21:50:32 jeffmason : the"fear" was that it could be detonated by cell phone use
21:50:34 PeggyG : Do the students have those special ringtones that only young people can hear?
21:50:42 alicemercer : buttons are a little sticky on the Flip I used.
21:50:54 alicemercer : But the quality (HQ version) was fantastic!
21:51:06 alicemercer : Peggy: don't know I haven't hear it.
21:51:08 sheila : my flip turns on while in my case.
21:51:23 alicemercer : jeff, that's crazy. Bomb threat doesn't not mean a bomb
21:51:29 mrsdurff : fear - We can't let fear stop us from doing the right thing.
21:51:37 alicemercer : BUT, I'd guess theya re using cells to make threat
21:51:40 mrsdurff : Chris Lehman said that
21:51:50 jeffmason : @PeggyG yes good science lesson on frequency and hearing
21:51:51 alicemercer : And that needs to be addressed.
21:51:53 PeggyG : @mrsdurff-that's a really creative way to use Gabcast-grading from RSS-fantastic!
21:52:19 mrsdurff : I grade everything from my reader - i'm very lazy
21:52:22 jeffmason : @alicemercer sure it has passed
21:52:31 PeggyG : @jeffmason-great point!
21:52:32 mrsdurff : ask maria
21:52:35 alexr : http://www.learning-blog.org/2008/05/29/your-aup-on-social-networking/
21:52:59 alicemercer : Should
21:53:21 PeggyG : I saw Warlick's site! great compilation for addressing AUPs with web 2.0
21:53:47 derrallg : http://landmark-project.com/aup20/pmwiki.php
21:54:00 mrsdurff : @alice is that what 'e-rate' is?
21:54:04 sheila : Great links thanks!
21:54:10 alicemercer : my kids already have MySpace pages.
21:54:30 derrallg : my students do too Alice
21:54:48 derrallg : I had my students do AUps as mind maps
21:54:57 mrsdurff : and then the school has to deal with it
21:55:04 jeffmason : facebook? at school? the IT dept just went apoplectic!
21:55:04 PeggyG : A teacher in AZ got busted and raked over the coals on the nighly news awehile back for her MySpace account.
21:55:31 mrsdurff : i refuse to have one but other faculty....
21:55:39 derrallg : I've had a Myspace account for a long time becasue of all my musice connections when I had a record label
21:55:43 alicemercer : Derrall how old are they?
21:55:49 derrallg : 6th grade
21:55:53 PeggyG : The Supt of Education announced to the world that teachers on MySpace was not appropriate or acceptable.
21:55:59 alicemercer : Mine are 4, 5, 6th
21:56:28 mrsdurff : ah! we distracted him!
21:56:40 derrallg : I thought it was interesting when Dana Boyd was talking about parents having their children set up these accounts for relatives
21:57:10 PeggyG : Which Dana Boyd show was that? Her interview?
21:57:42 derrallg : Have to think about Peggy I've heard her speak a couple of times
21:57:44 alicemercer : I don't think it's a great idea that young. Set up a ning for your family
21:57:44 jeffmason : or AUP is a 27 page legal doc
21:58:14 alicemercer : Jeff: where do you work?
21:58:26 sheila : 27 pages!!!
21:58:35 PeggyG : Me too-she had an interview about history of social networking and teens
21:58:37 mrsdurff : don't need a computer
21:58:49 mrsdurff : have the web on their phones
21:59:03 mrsdurff : video on their phones\
21:59:09 PeggyG : She is very amazing and has the research to back her up
21:59:43 mrsdurff : yup
21:59:53 mrsdurff : txting starts big in 7th
21:59:58 alicemercer : Peggy, pre-teens are not teens
22:00:09 jeffmason : @alicemercer FL highschool
22:00:15 mrsdurff : students hide them until they enter my room
22:00:35 PeggyG : I definitely agree about pre-teens!
22:00:51 MICHAEL : Tech is a tool, neither good nor bad in itself. It depends on how it's used. Like fire.
22:01:07 alicemercer : And I am not crazy about 9 and 10 year olds on MySpace saying they are 18 so they have a public page (ugh).
22:01:31 derrallg : I liked the idea of students bringing from home what they have to access information at school be it cell phone, computer, etc.
22:01:41 PeggyG : Yes, it seems to be very easy for kids to say they are over 18 for MySpace
22:01:59 alicemercer : tech is a tool, but a social network is an environment, like a pub, or a bar, ro a strip club, the problem is that there is no common space for all family members
22:02:06 mrsdurff : MySpace is not popular at my school
22:02:07 derrallg : bye Alexr
22:02:14 MICHAEL : Happy BDay !
22:02:23 PeggyG : Night all! Enjoy for birthday cake!
22:02:30 alicemercer : They want to be on My Space because of older siblings. Their siblings can't b on Imbee with them.
22:02:37 PeggyG : That's enjoy YOUR birthday cake
22:02:44 alicemercer : So what do you do? Set up a Ning?
22:02:56 mrsdurff : FaceBook is the thing at my school
22:03:04 MICHAEL : @alice... good points. what is Imbee?
22:03:10 alicemercer : Mrs Durff, very popular with that crowd at mine. Facebook they have no idea about.
22:03:24 alicemercer : Imbee is a tween social site requires parent approval
22:03:35 MICHAEL : tx
22:03:37 PeggyG : The EArthcast was a great model for everyone!
22:03:39 derrallg : Yes that's what I was thinking recruiting more Webcast Academy participants
22:03:51 mrsdurff : Webkinz are big too with all ages - so funny
22:03:54 alicemercer : I've gotta go, thanks all for your thoughts
22:04:00 alicemercer : night
22:04:07 PeggyG : G'night Alice
22:04:09 ds : @derrallg can yo uskype?
22:04:23 derrallg : yeah
22:04:56 MICHAEL : good night all!
22:05:07 ds : 'night Michael
22:05:12 PeggyG : Nice tribute to Cheryl Oakes! She's the master chat facilitator and encourager!
22:05:32 ds : derrallg don't see you on skype
22:05:35 ds : call me plse
22:05:43 derrallg : derrallg is my skype
22:06:54 mrsdurff : yes i agree with him
22:07:07 mrsdurff : very few have my #
22:08:18 mrsdurff : aren't they one your AUP?
22:14:23 sheila : But if you don't know anyone yet, it's important to find a few to latch on to.
22:16:57 mrsdurff : 10:16pm here
22:17:40 mrsdurff : maria likes cabs
22:18:18 sheila : @mrsdurff - I was just talking to her about that!
22:18:50 sheila : I heard it mentioned frequenty and I was curious.
22:18:52 mrsdurff : and she said she loves taking cabs, didn't she?
22:18:57 sheila : :)
22:18:58 ds : thanks all
22:19:15 sheila : absolutely, she took one after her meeting
22:19:22 sheila : :)
22:19:28 ds : and many happy returns ETT :)
22:19:30 derrallg : :)
22:19:36 jeffmason : thnx for sharing. g'night
22:19:41 sheila : Happy Birthday ETT
22:19:47 derrallg : night
22:19:52 sheila : Fun! thanks!
22:20:04 sheila : Nite all!
22:20:09 ds : thanks gang, that was fun
22:20:31 mrsdurff : hey i gotta go - see ya all and happy birthday ETT
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