Chat Log for TTT#102 - 04.30.08
20:17:25 paulallison:
20:42:57 paulallison: hi
20:43:55 paulallison: do you have ginger crocket?
20:48:56 SusanEttenheim: hi yes
20:52:08 SusanEttenheim: hi jennar
20:58:46 paulallison: We'll start soon
21:03:48 SusanEttenheim: hi bill you on?
21:03:56 Bill O'Neal: I'm fine. And you?
21:03:57 SusanEttenheim: hi hfeldman hi wlecome
21:04:01 SusanEttenheim: welcome
21:04:05 hfeldman: Hello
21:04:05 SusanEttenheim: where are you?
21:04:17 hfeldman: still in philly?
21:04:35 Bill O'Neal: Uh oh.
21:04:37 hfeldman: What's your topic today?
21:04:54 Bill O'Neal: I think it's seals...
21:05:27 hfeldman: lovely
21:05:40 SusanEttenheim: ohhhh hi hannah - is it with an h?
21:05:44 hfeldman: yes
21:05:50 SusanEttenheim: hi !
21:05:55 SusanEttenheim: bill can I skype you in?
21:06:00 hfeldman: hello :)
21:06:15 hfeldman: which channel do i stream to listen?
21:06:38 SusanEttenheim: listen to edtechtalk a
21:07:22 hfeldman: thanks
21:07:57 Bill O'Neal: I could skype in but Tom is in the background trying to nod off...probably not a good idea
21:08:47 SusanEttenheim: let me know when you're ready
21:10:26 SusanEttenheim: hi hannah - how's your week going? thanks for joining us
21:10:54 SusanEttenheim: hi nedra welcoem
21:10:59 SusanEttenheim: welcome
21:11:11 SusanEttenheim: where are you and what do you teach?
21:11:14 Nedra: hi susan
21:12:20 hfeldman: My week's just English teacher has been out, and that makes things slow.
21:12:59 SusanEttenheim: hi kimt welcome where are you and what do you teach?
21:13:20 SusanEttenheim: do you have a sub for the whole week? does the class meet everyday?
21:13:39 kimt: Hi - I am in NH and I teach computers to 6-8th.. :)
21:13:40 SusanEttenheim: can you hear ok nedra and kimt?
21:13:50 kimt: Can't hear anymore??
21:14:03 SusanEttenheim: are you listening to edtechtalk A?
21:14:07 SusanEttenheim: hi jenna welcoem
21:14:10 kimt: OK.. all set now!
21:14:17 SusanEttenheim: good
21:14:31 hfeldman: We just have a sub. It's the same as not having a teacher.
21:14:33 SusanEttenheim: we're talking about place based education tonight
21:14:55 SusanEttenheim: ugh I hate being absent - no matter how I try to plan for my sub it never goes really well
21:15:02 SusanEttenheim: hi jenna r welcome
21:15:40 Jenna R: Hi!
21:15:41 SusanEttenheim: hi james welcome
21:15:47 SusanEttenheim: hi george welcome
21:15:51 James.Sigler: Hello!
21:15:56 george: Hi Susan
21:16:18 SusanEttenheim: could everyone go around again and introduce yourselves? where and what do you teach ... or where do you go to school?
21:16:30 SusanEttenheim: any alaska people in the text chat tonight?
21:16:50 SusanEttenheim: hi helen welcome
21:16:59 kimt: KimT. computer studies teacher Manchester NH 6-8
21:17:00 SusanEttenheim: we're just doing some introductions - jump in
21:17:19 James.Sigler: I teach 3rd grade in Carl Junction, MO
21:17:26 hfeldman: Hello! Hannah, 10th grade student at SLA in Philly
21:17:57 Jenna R: I teach in School of Ed Denver, CO
21:18:01 SusanEttenheim: george?
21:18:04 SusanEttenheim: nedra?
21:18:14 george: Hello. George aka mrmayo 8th grade teacher in Maryland.
21:18:34 helen: Hi all
21:19:44 george: How many people live in Marshall, Alaska?
21:19:48 kimt: Hi - Any links to blogs or wikis? Such an interesting topic! :D
21:20:07 SusanEttenheim: hi chet welcome! where and what do you teach?
21:20:15 Nedra: Oops, I was busy checking out something for a teacher for tomorrow and just listening! I am a k-5 tech teacher in upstate ny
21:20:29 SusanEttenheim: welcome nedra
21:20:55 chet: hi, I'm in Sydney and I've just started studying and working on building online communities for teachers
21:21:15 SusanEttenheim: welcome chet - we're glad you're here!
21:21:17 chet: I work with primary school though
21:21:23 chet: thanks
21:21:31 SusanEttenheim: please feel free to jump in with questions
21:21:40 george: connecting with community. hear that all the time. but in actual practice. not that much.
21:21:45 helen: I am a technology coach in Melbourne, Australia
21:22:23 SusanEttenheim: hi maureen welcome
21:22:28 SusanEttenheim: where and what do you teach?
21:22:29 James.Sigler: Wow, we love international audiences!
21:22:57 chet: international audiences LOVE being here :)
21:22:58 george: Hi Helen. What time is it now in Melbourne?
21:23:32 Maureen/bcdtech: western Mass- teach gr 1-3 science and 6-9 computer and online PD for teachers
21:23:44 hfeldman: It's 11:23 am in melbourne!
21:24:26 SusanEttenheim: hi sroseman welcome!
21:24:32 sroseman: Hi Susan
21:24:36 SusanEttenheim: we just did some intros what and where do you teach?
21:24:47 sroseman: I teach in Canada
21:24:47 SusanEttenheim: then I'll paste it all in here again for everyone
21:24:53 sroseman: Ottawa, Ontario
21:24:54 SusanEttenheim: and what?
21:25:21 sroseman: What is the topic this evening?
21:25:29 SusanEttenheim: place based education
21:25:36 SusanEttenheim: our guests are in Alaska
21:25:54 sroseman: Thanks
21:25:58 SusanEttenheim: here's a little recap of our chat room
21:26:01 James.Sigler: Why don't more people do place-based education?
21:26:08 Maureen/bcdtech: Where in Alaska? My son works summers on the Kenai P
21:26:32 SusanEttenheim: [kimt] KimT. computer studies teacher Manchester NH 6-8 [James.Sigler] I teach 3rd grade in Carl Junction, MO [hfeldman] Hello! Hannah, 10th grade student at SLA in Philly [Jenna R] I teach in School of Ed Denver, CO [george] Hello. George aka mrmayo 8th grade teacher in Maryland. [Nedra] Oops, I was busy checking out something for a teacher for tomorrow and just listening! I am a k-5 tech teacher in upstate ny [chet] hi, I'm in Sydney and I've just started studying and working on building online communities for teachers[chet] I work with primary school though [helen] I am a technology coach in Melbourne, Australia [Maureen/bcdtech] western Mass- teach gr 1-3 science and 6-9 computer and online PD for teachers [sroseman] Ottawa, Ontario
21:27:12 SusanEttenheim: bering strait school district and marshall
21:27:24 SusanEttenheim: brevig mission
21:28:08 SusanEttenheim: maureen where is kenai p?
21:28:24 Maureen/bcdtech: southern Alaska
21:28:34 James.Sigler: The Bering Strait and Marshall Schools would be great for comparing and contrast with our own communities
21:28:43 Maureen/bcdtech: He flies out of Anchorage on a float plane
21:28:48 James.Sigler: Lots of Venn Diagrams :)
21:29:40 SusanEttenheim: what questions do you have for our Alaska friends? Have any of you worked with schools in Alaska?
21:29:58 James.Sigler: Do a lot more people fly planes in Alaska than the lower 48 states?
21:30:18 SusanEttenheim: do you mean every person in the town?
21:30:53 James.Sigler: I'm just wondering how common is it for someone to fly planes in Alaska.
21:31:03 SusanEttenheim: interesting
21:31:40 hfeldman: Do students have dreams/aspirations outside of the village? Do they see themselves staying in the same village or leaving?
21:31:43 Maureen/bcdtech: From little I know via my son, not a lot of roads where he goes, so he ends up on little planes a lot
21:31:44 James.Sigler: I think the school districts are large and the rural schools spaced far apart
21:33:17 James.Sigler: That sounds so cool!
21:33:42 george: Hannh- on top of that question. Does using web20 tools bring a new sense of the world to these students? or a new sense of reaching out and making connections. How have Woody's studenst responded to using wiki's, and other web20 tools
21:34:16 hfeldman: @mrmayo great addition! thanks
21:34:37 James.Sigler: @George great question!
21:34:45 SusanEttenheim: thanks george
21:35:11 James.Sigler: Is there a great need for global education in Alaska?
21:35:16 James.Sigler: greater
21:35:25 Maureen/bcdtech: Leaving... my son keeps going to Alaska!!
21:35:45 James.Sigler: @Maureen :D
21:36:41 James.Sigler: My family is taking a cruise to Alaska in july
21:37:06 James.Sigler: We'll stay more in the southern part
21:37:16 SusanEttenheim: wow james maybe you'll visit some of our guests!
21:37:23 Maureen/bcdtech: When my son finally settles there- which I think is inevitable- I'll get to go visit
21:37:37 James.Sigler: wouldn't that be great :)
21:38:23 SusanEttenheim: hi mindelie welcome where and what do you teach?
21:38:34 SusanEttenheim: or go to school...
21:39:13 hfeldman: Are these interviews and photos posted online anywhere?
21:39:47 James.Sigler: What a great way to bring together school, community, culture, and heritage!
21:40:18 george: Hannah- I'm curious about that too- would be interesting to see those
21:40:47 James.Sigler: I would love for my school's community to have such a rich local history to draw upon.
21:41:08 george: James- don;t we all have that- just have to look
21:41:15 Maureen/bcdtech: It almost sounds like the Firefox project from years ago
21:41:34 SusanEttenheim: hannah do you and your friends have "elders?"
21:41:54 mindelei: What culture are we currently talking about? I just joined...
21:41:57 SusanEttenheim: brevig.bssd
21:42:02 James.Sigler: Yes, last week they called it the "digital Foxfire"
21:42:06 SusanEttenheim: i think i missed part of that
21:42:12 SusanEttenheim: who else heard it?
21:42:28 SusanEttenheim: native alaska mindelei
21:42:50 kimt: Susan.. would you please write down the link?
21:42:56 mindelei: Thank you.
21:43:10 SusanEttenheim:
21:43:18 Maureen/bcdtech: foxfire... yes! In one of my other lives I was an English major- did a lot of folklore courses and read the foxfire series back when it was just starting
21:43:25 James.Sigler: Local dish :)
21:43:32 kimt: Thank you!
21:43:37 SusanEttenheim: wow say more about that maureen?
21:43:41 hfeldman: I don't think we do. We have our grandparents...but they're not "elders"
21:43:56 SusanEttenheim: isn't that interesting hannah?
21:44:11 SusanEttenheim: my grandparents were elders in some ways
21:44:14 hfeldman: It sounds great.
21:44:22 SusanEttenheim: yes, doesn't it?
21:44:26 Maureen/bcdtech: @susan it was a series of books- collections really of interviews with applachian "elders" to preserve the community traditions
21:44:45 SusanEttenheim: I'm thinking about how that might relate to my students
21:45:07 James.Sigler: I learned about Foxfire during one of my graduate courses that taught me about Project/problem/place Based Learning PBL
21:45:23 SusanEttenheim: what is pbl james?
21:45:35 SusanEttenheim: wow elders as superheroes....
21:45:44 SusanEttenheim: that's something for us to think about!
21:46:19 James.Sigler: Project Based Learning
21:46:28 chet: great photos
21:46:39 SusanEttenheim: you know I've been asking my high school students what elective they might like if they could choose anything and do you know cooking and dancing keep coming up - isn't that interesting?
21:46:39 mindelei: Edutopia is a great site
21:46:59 SusanEttenheim: hi dlaufenberg welcome! where are you and what do you teach?
21:47:04 James.Sigler: or Problem Based Learning
21:47:06 kimt: So different than anything in our world here! :o
21:47:16 mindelei: @susanettenheim Are you talking about traditional cooking & dancing or just in general?
21:47:18 george: Hi Diana
21:47:24 dlaufenberg: im in flagstaff, AZ... teaching 7/8 social studies
21:47:35 dlaufenberg: hi george
21:47:44 hfeldman: cooking because then we can eat it...:D
21:47:51 helen: Bye all, back to work.
21:48:20 SusanEttenheim: I think just in general
21:48:20 James.Sigler: @Susan how very tactile/Kinsetheic and relevent of them
21:48:34 SusanEttenheim: yes James that's exactly how it struck me
21:48:42 Maureen/bcdtech: We tend to think of PBL in terms of ethnic or other small groups, but every community has this resource- their own stories and traditions- we just get used to it- isn't as "sexy" as other places/people...or are we becoming a "strip mall- comglomerate" world?
21:48:55 SusanEttenheim: that's funny hannah - yes they are always hungry! ;)
21:49:08 hfeldman: it's so true...
21:49:33 James.Sigler: You can't get much more practical about learning than food
21:49:59 SusanEttenheim: I was surprised
21:50:29 hfeldman: dancing is surprising. Sure, we say that, but actually have that class - people wouldn't just get up and dance.
21:50:53 dlaufenberg: there is a lot happening in Northern Arizona with regard to local history and culture... with the Navajo Nation.
21:51:02 paulallison:
21:51:06 James.Sigler: @Maureen I wonder...the strip mall-conglomerate is impersonal
21:51:26 hfeldman: the strip mall conglomerate is the suburbs
21:51:42 SusanEttenheim: as opposed to what Hannah?
21:51:51 hfeldman: as opposed to cities or rual
21:51:54 hfeldman: *rural
21:51:58 Maureen/bcdtech: Do the burbs have their own culture?
21:52:08 hfeldman: very much so
21:52:27 SusanEttenheim: dlaufenberg have these students interacted with other native students such as these communities in Alaska?
21:52:37 mindelei: Life in the suburbs is definitely different from inner city or rural
21:52:41 george: It seems that this type of place-based program also shows students that the school values their cultures- we lack this in many of our schools in US- many students feel so disconnected from the school culture
21:52:45 James.Sigler: However, local history is a collective memory of people's connections to an area
21:52:55 mindelei: @george very true
21:52:57 Maureen/bcdtech: I was just thinking out loud- what is sense of place for the kids in the suburbs?
21:53:16 dlaufenberg: not to my knowledge... there is such a complicated history of the native americans in this area... figuring out what is going on here is a long road...
21:53:39 dlaufenberg: however, navajo language is taught in all secondary schools
21:53:56 hfeldman: @Maureen There isn't much of a sense of place for kids in the suburbs except that they are below adults. There's a lot of alcohol and drugs in suburban schools.
21:54:31 SusanEttenheim: that idea is true in the city too
21:54:51 dlaufenberg: we have a really interesting school here that is dual language with Spanish and Navajo
21:55:19 hfeldman: Kids in the city have a place though. In the suburbs, kids can't travel without a parent driving them. In the city, kids can be more independent.
21:55:28 kimt: I remember a favorite project of mine in 6th grade was to do an interview with my great grandmother - who remembered Indians living near the Cape in MA. Where has the respect for our elders gone?
21:56:11 Maureen/bcdtech: @kimt respect for elders has gone the way of worshiping youth
21:56:29 dlaufenberg: I jsut did a project which required students to call a grandparent and interview them. Some of the kids were really reluctant to do this...
21:56:51 SusanEttenheim: but not all the time- when we have seniors come in and volunteer in our library the students are very respectful to them
21:56:57 kimt: @dlaufenberg :(
21:57:04 SusanEttenheim: you don't mess with your "grandmother"
21:57:30 hfeldman: My grandfather's a bit clueless. He doesn't talk about much except who's doing what and real estate. I can see why they wouldn't want to interview a grandparent.
21:57:31 SusanEttenheim: why do you think that was true dlaufenberg
21:57:33 SusanEttenheim: ?
21:57:34 dlaufenberg: it wasn't the talking about to the grandparents, I think it was having a conversation with them about something unknown
21:57:51 hfeldman: I think grandparents aren't always as close as they used to be.
21:58:06 dlaufenberg: so, we worked on interview questions and how to start the conversation
21:58:07 hfeldman: I see my grandmother maybe once a month.
21:58:11 kimt: @SusanEttenheim - we use seniors in our elementary schools but it might be neat to see them in middle or high school. Maybe that would stimulate the respect again?
21:58:29 george: Susan. This is a book of essays we published last year. My 7th graders interviewed their grandparents then wrote essyas about their lives. kind of similar
21:58:46 SusanEttenheim: we once did an interesting project with graduating classes from college - we told them to ask what they would never ask their own mothers and ask whatever they would never ask their own daughters it was interesting
21:59:41 kimt: @george Wow! So cool! :)
21:59:54 Maureen/bcdtech: Maybe their shared history is the history of stories of the commute??
22:00:03 mindelei: @hfeldman I think that's true. A lot of people don't have contact with grandparents. For me - 1 set I saw daily, the other a handful of times in my life.
22:00:21 Jenna R: so many of our suburban and urban schools are experiencing an expansion of language minority (quickly becoming majority) and as cultural difference comes to our schools it has provided the opportunities for the conversations about language, culture, and that sense of pride... it takes us facilitating and clarifying the questions... but is proving powerful
22:00:41 Maureen/bcdtech: @Jenna- good point!
22:00:48 SusanEttenheim: do elders have to be relatives? don't we all find "mentors" one way or another in life?
22:00:48 Jenna R: can't help but wonder if that sense of history and culture needs to be recognized and cultivated
22:00:55 Jenna R: we HAVE elders
22:01:04 dlaufenberg: what I try to relay to my students is that the stories of their grandparents are THEIR stories... and that there is no better way to know who they are then to know who their grandparents are...
22:01:23 george: From our assignment last year- the grandparents really appreciated the assignment- and many students said they learned things they never knew about their family'
22:02:13 SusanEttenheim: wow imagine the students in Alaska teaching our students how to intreview grandparents!
22:02:13 kimt: @dlaufenberg Great point.. That is awesome! :)
22:02:38 Jenna R: we HAVE elders... when do we help kids see that culture is your underlying belief system- from your grandparents, your family... and as well, your family of choice- friends... when do we recognize what we DO have... and help kids understand this too
22:03:04 Maureen/bcdtech: Do any of you have experience with issues re family? We often have issues around lack of family- no mom, no dad, etc.. So projects which include interviewing family just aren't done, because it puts kids in awkward positions
22:03:20 Jenna R: wow... that storytelling and interviewing is powerful
22:03:35 hfeldman: We recently did a project interviewing someone, anyone, who had sacrificed
22:03:38 SusanEttenheim: good point maureen
22:03:42 george: good night everyone! :)
22:03:45 dlaufenberg: the thing that is really powerful about recording the stories is that the voices are preserved
22:03:54 hfeldman: the interviewee doesn't have to be family, just someone you know
22:04:07 SusanEttenheim: that's interesting hannah - how were the people chosen and did the students find it interesting?
22:04:12 kimt: How would we contact the school to communicate?
22:04:25 Jenna R: we use Ways With Words (shirley brice heath) as a model for teachers to explore ethnography... and same as hfeldman... it is not always someone you know or are related to
22:04:48 Maureen/bcdtech: @Hannah- we have an annual Grandparents Day and there are kids who stay home because of it, even tho they can have any family friend come in lieu of GP
22:04:54 mindelei: @dlaufenberg That is very cool - having the voices preserved. Amazing & powerful!
22:04:59 Jenna R: but that idea of finding out from others with different experiences different from you- powerful
22:05:32 Jenna R: love that- subsistence happens... we all need to remember that!
22:05:51 hfeldman: the students just were told to do an interview around the subject of sacrifice. we were in groups of four, so each did an interview and then the interviews were edited down into "radio shows". some interviewed family, some neighbors, some teachers
22:06:04 kimt: @Maureen/bcdtech - Yes, I can see how that would be an issue. I know I would run into much of the same thing at my school. The kids barely have functioning parents sometimes. Very sad.
22:06:10 SusanEttenheim: maureen - my children never had grandparents nearby - I hated that!
22:06:20 Jenna R: wow hfeldman, that sounds amazing!
22:06:57 Maureen/bcdtech: I guess it's just a question of teachers redefining elders and working on developng that community
22:07:25 James.Sigler: Hannah, What a great idea to do interviews centered around a theme
22:07:41 SusanEttenheim: how were the people chosen Hannah?
22:07:50 hfeldman: It was all up to the individual.
22:07:52 Jenna R: we deeal with the "no-parents" "mo-grandparents" issue in Denver. It is so hard... and we tried to control that... but amazing things happened when we turned it over to the kids... and asked them to interview someone that mattered to them... someone who they looked up to... they all had someone
22:08:22 dlaufenberg: i just got back from a river trip through a really culturally and scientifically interesting area in the SW
22:08:36 dlaufenberg: kids are always 'different' when they return
22:08:37 SusanEttenheim:
22:08:55 SusanEttenheim: please join us at
22:09:02 mindelei: @Jenn R I like that - finding someone who they look upto. Rather than a person in a specific role.
22:09:20 James.Sigler: I hadn't thought of using YT to make those kinds of connections. Great idea!
22:09:52 kimt: How well behaved is youth twitter? Any issues with naughty posts?
22:09:59 hfeldman: My English teacher is a Freedom Writers teachers, and we did the line exercise thing. It helps people feel comfortable when they know they're not alone in having "different" family situations or not "perfect" lives.
22:10:29 SusanEttenheim: what is the line exercise ?
22:10:39 hfeldman: "stand on the line if"....statement
22:10:52 SusanEttenheim: example?
22:10:58 James.Sigler: I heard about Freedom Writers when I heard about Foxfire. Cool!
22:10:59 hfeldman: your parents are divorced
22:11:23 hfeldman: you or someone you know suffers from domestic abuse
22:11:32 Maureen/bcdtech: @Hannah- high school age? Would this work with younger kids?
22:11:33 hfeldman: it starts out with light topics, then gets more personal
22:11:40 SusanEttenheim: is there literally a line?
22:11:43 hfeldman: I don't think it would work with younger kids
22:11:46 hfeldman: yeah, duct tape
22:11:48 kimt: @Hannah very powerful! Saw it on TV.
22:11:50 SusanEttenheim: do people move around?
22:11:54 hfeldman: yes
22:11:56 SusanEttenheim: interesting
22:12:18 SusanEttenheim: we've done similar things but not exactly that
22:12:22 Maureen/bcdtech: @Hannah- yeah, I think my MS kids would feel very uncomfortable. They are all about fitting in
22:12:22 kimt: seems more like a high school thing mostly
22:12:24 hfeldman: @maureen yes, high school.
22:12:31 James.Sigler: I think it would work with younger kids with lighter topics, especially about pets
22:12:55 mindelei: @James.Sigler I think you're right...with the right topics all ages would benefit.
22:13:02 kimt: @James could use lighter topics with Middle school to show them they are not alone??
22:13:33 Jenna R: I have seen elementary kids do amazing things with these 'heavy' themes, though
22:13:41 James.Sigler: It sounds like a good cooperative learning structure that could be used with any content
22:13:42 SusanEttenheim:
22:13:59 Jenna R: they know big societal things that are happening... they know what it feels like to 'feel different'
22:14:00 SusanEttenheim: sounds like the tenement Museum in nyc?
22:14:10 hfeldman: I love the tenement museum!
22:14:21 James.Sigler: 3rd graders have done projects about Dafur
22:14:26 SusanEttenheim: yes, I think they have some online resources
22:14:30 Jenna R: so... even not getting into the 'tough conversations' kids respond to the chance to talk about how they feel about things, too
22:15:15 Maureen/bcdtech: Thanks all- gotta get back to work
22:15:31 dlaufenberg: thanks for your time!
22:16:58 SusanEttenheim: thanks for joining us tonight everyone
22:17:44 kimt: Thank you! :) Such a neat topic tonight..
22:18:49 hfeldman: WHAT??
22:18:54 hfeldman: I wish...
22:19:30 Jenna R: thank you so much to all of you... for making this happen, and opening it up to us... I said a bunch, but learned so much from listening as well...thank you again, this is important work and much appreciated for me, out here... interested in collaboration as we all move forward to help the education of all our kids...
22:19:32 SusanEttenheim: when do you finish hannah?
22:19:37 hfeldman: June 19th
22:19:45 SusanEttenheim: we finish june 26
22:19:51 hfeldman: whoa.
22:20:03 hfeldman: Where are you?
22:20:10 SusanEttenheim: nyc
22:20:22 hfeldman: wow. that's the latest I've ever heard.
22:20:42 James.Sigler: Wow, we're done May 21st
22:21:02 James.Sigler: You know so we can start harvesting the fields ;)
22:21:11 James.Sigler: lol
22:21:15 SusanEttenheim: lol james
22:21:17 SusanEttenheim: night all
22:21:24 James.Sigler: night
22:21:27 hfeldman: goodnight!