EdTechWeekly #62

16:54:29  Lisa Thumann ->  Aren't you guys exhausted?
16:55:01  JenMad ->  Hi! Thanks for joining us!
16:55:29  jepcke ->  thanks 4 posting on twitter
16:55:34  randynobx ->  hey all
16:55:58  randynobx ->  Ed Tech Weekly starts in 5 min right?
16:56:04  JohnS ->  yep
16:56:06  JL ->  yep
16:56:12  JohnS ->  We're just pre-show chatting now
16:56:27  JenMad ->  Yes, ETW in 4 min 30 seconds ...
16:56:35  randynobx ->  ok, thanks
16:59:19  dougsymington ->  Hey all
16:59:27  dougsymington ->  lol
16:59:40  Lisa Thumann ->  Audio is fine.
16:59:43  dougsymington ->  audio sounds lovely
16:59:52  jepcke ->  audio sounds quite good
17:00:14  jepcke ->  don't hear a buzz from Jen
17:00:14  Lisa Thumann ->  Jen's buzz doesn't sound bad to me.
17:00:22  dougsymington ->  Jen's buzz: 4/10
17:01:03  dougsymington ->  consistent buzz is a good thang ;)
17:01:45  dougsymington ->  still sounding good on ustream
17:02:33  dougsymington ->  sound levels seems  good, tho, yes, Dave *is* low
17:03:39  JenMad ->  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kidsonline/?campaign=pbshomefeat...
17:04:12  Lisa Thumann ->  I thought it was really balanced, but the PTO mom weas disturbing to me.
17:04:31  Kern ->  @Lisa definitely
17:04:36  JL ->  http://educon20.wikispaces.com/
17:05:08  JL ->  http://www.coveritlive.com/  COVERITLIVE.COM - Home
17:05:39  jepcke ->  But others CAN post
17:05:40  JohnS ->  Social sites prove hard to leave behind : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7206852.stm
17:05:46  dougsymington ->  @Lisa: disturbing and sad in that she doesn't get it as she alienates her children
17:06:06  dougsymington ->  Hi ecram3
17:06:26  ecram3 ->  hello
17:06:47  Gary ->  He had a long story
17:06:50  JasonR ->  But someone may the point that social network info can be spoofed. An employer that uses that could be liable.
17:07:00  Lisa Thumann ->  @dougsymington And 50% of the school. That's entire other conversation. We should have talked about that more at Educon this weekend.
17:08:00  dougsymington ->  think there are parallels and "clinging to power" that we see from institutions
17:08:05  dougsymington ->  it's not going to work
17:08:06  JenMad ->  http://www.ncs-tech.org/?p=1099 ... and ... http://ajaxim.com/
17:09:14  JL ->  http://www.pangeaday.org/  Pangea Day
17:09:33  lee ann baber ->  Wow
17:09:43  JohnS ->  Gifted Education 2.0: http://giftededucation.ning.com/  Microsoft Innovative Teachers Network: http://us.itn.partnersinlearning.com/
17:10:10  jepcke ->  do these links appear in delicious, too?
17:10:12  JasonR ->  Oh joy. PBS/Frontline has moved to Flash dsitribution for video. I don't need WMP anymore.
17:10:28  JasonR ->  If not child is left behind, no child gets ahead.
17:10:40  JenMad ->  http://www.sparknotes.com/
17:10:52  JohnS ->  http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk/20080127
17:11:00  JohnS ->  right, Jason
17:11:12  randynobx ->  i LOVE sparknote
17:11:27  randynobx ->  i use it all the time for high school english projects research
17:11:32  kjarrett ->  Hi everyone!
17:11:43  sendkathy ->  sparknotes helped me clep out of American Lit (2 semesters)
17:11:53  kjarrett ->  My daughter has been using it for years in HS.
17:11:55  montagne ->  I was going to say...is it anything different than what we did with encylopedias back in the day??
17:11:57  JL ->  http://mashable.com/2008/01/22/skype-worm/  Skype Worm Causes Video-Sharing Shutdown
17:12:08  JohnS ->  thanks for tweeting, doug
17:12:20  dougsymington ->  pleasure
17:12:35  randynobx ->  i think that video sharing component is the video sharing in the mood messages
17:12:38  dougsymington ->  someone refused to skype with me this week due to fear o' virus
17:12:40  sendkathy ->  I think Sparknotes is great, in fact I learned a lot about some of the books I had actually read
17:12:43  Kern ->  $15
17:13:06  sendkathy ->  jeff, I have skype pro but it's not very reliable or maybe its my network
17:13:25  sendkathy ->  I have a number and supposedly I also have voicemail and its off and on
17:13:26  montagne ->  I was on that test...it was good up to 10
17:13:27  Gary ->  Also has a talk message feature
17:13:46  dougsymington ->  still good for me on ustream
17:13:47  montagne ->  audio good here...
17:13:54  montagne ->  via ustream for me too
17:13:55  Kern ->  ustream's fine
17:14:10  sendkathy ->  Doug I'm listening on uStream but is it also on itunes?
17:14:11  montagne ->  new ustream UI is nice
17:14:13  kristianstill ->  another vote ok for ustream
17:14:14  montagne ->  I agree
17:14:20  dougsymington ->  believe so
17:14:22  Kern ->  Who's computer is showing the ustream - Jeff's ?
17:14:25  JohnS ->  College textbook prices up 186% since 1986; enter revolution: http://businessshrink.biz/psychologyofbusiness/2008/01/22/college-textbo...
17:14:28  JL ->  yep
17:14:32  Kern ->  thnx
17:14:40  montagne ->  I'm tired of textbook companies...
17:14:42  JasonR ->  So you guys aren't even streaming on EdTechTalk-A now?
17:14:47  montagne ->  they're ridiculous...
17:14:49  lee ann baber ->  So what did you all suggest for skype pro//buy or no?
17:14:49  JL ->  nope
17:14:58  jepcke ->  Do they even USE the textbooks?
17:15:00  lee ann baber ->  no not a
17:15:05  JL ->  if you're going to use the skpye out feature, yes
17:15:11  JL ->  if not, probably not worth it
17:15:11  dougsymington ->  I got it for the call out and voicemail
17:15:12  lee ann baber ->  I do
17:15:16  lee ann baber ->  right
17:15:22  sendkathy ->  I'm hoping it gets better.  I will keep it.  Lee it may just be comcast that is causing my problems
17:15:37  montagne ->  that DRM story is ridiculous...
17:15:45  JL ->  http://www.skype.com/intl/en/allfeatures/skypepro/
17:15:51  sendkathy ->  I have a wifi phone and a USB phone and neither have good quality, better with headphones
17:15:51  montagne ->  California Open Text book project...
17:15:53  Gary ->  Buy pro and "share" it with your children who are away at university - the text books prices justify that
17:16:08  JenMad ->  http://estore.e-academy.com/index.cfm?loc=estore/soft_browse/listing&ID_...
17:16:22  montagne ->  I agree...down w/ books that have dozens of errors anyway...if not more
17:16:41  montagne ->  open source textbook movement hopefully will flourish...
17:16:57  techieteacher ->  you can loan SPSS for cheaper..i saw that recently on del.icio.us..a few educators are doing that
17:17:10  montagne ->  Wow...
17:17:14  techieteacher ->  $75 for 6 months i believe for SPSS
17:17:35  jepcke ->  we used SPSS for 'free' on the university computers
17:17:38  sendkathy ->  If you can believe it I actually had to buy a book that was a collection of edtech articles.  They were already a year out of date
17:17:56  techieteacher ->  yep..most big universities have it for education school labs
17:17:59  kristianstill ->  Why have book when McDonalds now offers its own nationally recognised qualifications.  (UK)
17:18:23  lee ann baber ->  because its a racket
17:18:27  lee ann baber ->  why else
17:18:27  dougsymington ->  the education wants to be free
17:18:30  lee ann baber ->  :)
17:18:32  montagne ->  how many textbook companies are left in the USA?
17:18:34  jepcke ->  online learning is a better deal
17:18:35  lee ann baber ->  Because they can
17:18:37  montagne ->  not many
17:18:39  Kern ->  Because education is where the $$ is ;-)
17:18:47  montagne ->  teachers get addicted to textbooks...
17:18:51  lee ann baber ->  dad's money! big business
17:18:55  montagne ->  and won't give them up...
17:18:55  jepcke ->  love the name 'currici wiki'
17:19:02  Gary ->  High school text books are just as expensive - a terrible cost when a new curriculum is started
17:19:11  JL ->  http://teachweb2.wikispaces.com/
17:19:24  lee ann baber ->  where do you see him screaming john
17:19:39  JasonR ->  $100 textbooks will be replaced by $100 limited-time access fee to proprietary CMS
17:19:43  JohnS ->  The "Google generation" not so hot at Googling, after all: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080118-the-google-generation-not-...
17:19:44  JasonR ->  Go Florida!
17:20:06  sendkathy ->  i c
17:20:12  montagne ->  not surprising...
17:20:19  kristianstill ->  Our students have yet to learn how to learn / filter
17:20:25  montagne ->  I thought they were digital natives??
17:20:30  Kern ->  making a myspace is not a skill
17:20:37  montagne ->  @Kern...bingo
17:20:37  jepcke ->  saw that article, probably were never taught how to be effective searchers
17:20:49  Kern ->  copy - paste, copy - paste
17:20:58  JasonR ->  Isn't that the appeal of myspace, it requires no skill
17:21:06  JenMad ->  http://www.khanacademy.org/authenticate.jsp
17:21:16  jepcke ->  many teacher don't know how to search effectively either
17:21:34  JasonR ->  Google is not smart enough
17:21:38  montagne ->  is it free?
17:21:41  JL ->  http://www.langwitches.org/blog/2008/01/24/power-of-social-networking/
17:22:24  JenMad ->  the math videos are free ...
17:22:29  Kern ->  neat idea
17:22:54  JohnS ->  White Paper Podcast: http://www.apc.com/podcast/wp/index.cfm
17:22:56  chellouise ->  I made it today!  WOW.  :)
17:23:16  lee ann baber ->  yea... a mention.. :)
17:23:16  JasonR ->  The technique won't be a surprise, but you can pic novel images that will still require the networking skill
17:23:28  lee ann baber ->  its a really good podcast!
17:23:46  lee ann baber ->  selectively
17:23:51  JenMad ->  http://www.cutepdf.com/
17:24:12  lee ann baber ->  i use it
17:24:13  lee ann baber ->  also
17:24:21  lee ann baber ->  its nice to use
17:24:28  dougsymington ->  big fan o' cutepdf
17:24:34  Kern ->  I used to - I've found www.primopdf.com better
17:24:42  chellouise ->  used it in my grad classes.  Students liked it!
17:24:46  wcgaskins ->  big fan of cutepdf
17:25:00  JenMad ->  great! glad to hear it works!
17:25:01  lee ann baber ->  nice to know ... thanks john
17:25:03  Gary ->  On a Mac - print and save as a PDF - for free!
17:25:05  chellouise ->  get a mac, then you don't have to wrorry about it.  LOL!
17:25:09  dougsymington ->  woohoo something that works "out of the box" with Vista!
17:25:21  chellouise ->  FETC was awesome!
17:25:23  JL ->  http://www.fetc.org/
17:25:30 [Action] JasonR ->  missed FETC
17:25:58  chellouise ->  I got into one that was questionable....not too helpful really.
17:26:28  chellouise ->  Alan November drew HUGE crowds....imagine that.
17:27:38  JL ->  http://www.langwitches.org/blog/2007/11/09/teddy-bears-around-the-world-...
17:27:47  JenMad ->  ooo! 2 for langwitch.com !!! yeah!!
17:27:56  chellouise ->  I'll go with you!
17:28:42  JenMad ->  all of our links (plus more) for this week are at http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk/20080127
17:29:10  kjarrett ->  Bonnie Bracey RULES!
17:29:17  JenMad ->  to add a link for NEXT week, add a tag for your link of "for:edtechtalk"
17:29:20  dougsymington ->  @sendkathy -- Bill (think it was) was great and the anecdotes re his students
17:30:08  JohnS ->  We're on at this time again next week because of the super bowl, and then back to our normal time (2 hours later) the following week.
17:30:23  jepcke ->  Go Giants
17:30:28  chellouise ->  so it'll be at 4 CST again next week?
17:30:49  chellouise ->  great update KAthy!
17:30:58  lee ann baber ->  yea for educon
17:31:02  sendkathy ->  ok
17:31:07  sendkathy ->  I will stay muted
17:31:10  JohnS ->  Photo Clues Lead to Camera's Owner: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080125/ap_on_hi_te/missing_camera_quest
17:31:12  sendkathy ->  and check my links
17:31:52  sendkathy ->  hey like the one that was stolen from me at NECC but they didn't return mine
17:31:59  chellouise ->  neat story
17:32:08  JenMad ->  very cool story!
17:32:13  sendkathy ->  www.googleearthgoods.pbwiki.com
17:32:36  dougsymington ->  now there's a good Web 2.0 story
17:32:54  sendkathy ->  http://fcit.usf.edu  has lots of resources
17:33:00  chellouise ->  that would be a neat thing to do with a class....kind of a mystery solve it project!  Hmm...
17:33:18  JohnS ->  right -- very cool
17:33:37  sendkathy ->  a cool project, not too expensive and out of a university is: www.e-missions.net
17:33:41  lee ann baber ->  320,000,000
17:33:46  wcgaskins ->  Put that link back up please
17:34:01  chellouise ->  WOW!  320,000,000
17:34:02  lee ann baber ->  Whos hosting the super bowl party
17:34:02  sendkathy ->  They take your kids on a mission simulation and it is so much fun
17:34:11  dougsymington ->  Super Sunday--wooohooooo
17:34:15  JL ->  http://www.tweetscan.com/   Tweet Scan
17:34:34  jepcke ->  Pats cost me some money last week so rooting for Giants
17:34:41  JenMad ->  3,269 links our del.icio.us folder ... w00t!!!
17:34:59  JenMad ->  http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk
17:35:04  chellouise ->  @JenMad started doctoral work?
17:35:22  lee ann baber ->  btw.. i copied and saved the very exciting chat log from a sessoin this morning at the educon..during the panel
17:35:22  JohnS ->  How to Tell If You Are Addicted to Technology: http://www.livescience.com/technology/080125-tech-addicts.html
17:35:24  JenMad ->  @chellouise: yes! started last week! thanks!
17:35:27  lee ann baber ->  any suggesitons where to put it
17:35:38  chellouise ->  best of luck!  I'm still searching.
17:35:46  lee ann baber ->  doug and i put the other ones on the wikis for those sessons but there was no wiki for that session
17:35:54  sendkathy ->  Is there a cure Doug?
17:35:58  lee ann baber ->  I am
17:36:09  chellouise ->  I know I'm addicted! 
17:36:13  dougsymington ->  golf
17:36:19  lee ann baber ->  i am neglecting everything else.. :)
17:36:24  sendkathy ->  I think it is complusive but maybe it can be cured by time management!
17:36:29  JenMad ->  I am REALLY addiicted ... NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!!!
17:36:30  jepcke ->  yes, yes, yes
17:36:30  sendkathy ->  me too
17:36:38  lee ann baber ->  SAD but true
17:36:42  chellouise ->  LOL!  Am I supposed to clean my house and take care of my family?  LOL!
17:36:45  jepcke ->  Hi, my name is Judi and I'm a tech addict
17:36:49  lee ann baber ->  no i am not even sad about it
17:36:57  chellouise ->  Is there a 12 step plan?
17:37:06  sendkathy ->  That is why I have been avoiding twitter but now... I have fallen in that hole too
17:37:20  lee ann baber ->  yes... step 1 buy another laptop
17:37:21  JasonR ->  This just came up in my feed reader: "Teacher's Productivity Hampered by technology" http://www.43folders.com/forum/2008/01/27/teachers-productivity-hampered...
17:37:32  JL ->  If anyone would like to chime in on this, feel free to skype 'worldbridges'
17:37:33  sendkathy ->  Maybe there should be a technoaddict ning
17:37:33  chellouise ->  @sendkathy is this your Twitter name too?
17:37:36  jepcke ->  falling through the twitter hole
17:37:43  JL ->  Basic Twitter badges http://twitter.com/badges/
17:37:45  sendkathy ->  yes, its sendkathy
17:37:48  Gary ->  What is needed is an on-line service for your addiction
17:37:55  sendkathy ->  Thanks JL!
17:37:57  JasonR ->  http://www.43folders.com/forum/2008/01/27/teachers-productivity-hampered...
17:38:00  chellouise ->  mind if I add you to my network?
17:38:03  sendkathy ->  Feeding my addiction!
17:38:29  dougsymington ->  I've recently fallen into the handheld (blackberry) trap--now I take it with me
17:38:50  lee ann baber ->  especially when homework is over my head all the time... hard to resist gazing at data
17:38:51  dougsymington ->  was playing with Skype for blackberry earlier today
17:39:07  dougsymington ->  so sign me up when the interventions are happening, I guess ;)
17:39:17  chellouise ->  son on Webkinz and me at EdTech Weekly
17:39:31  lee ann baber ->  my husband lives by himself... *)
17:39:45  sendkathy ->  Someone who would be good to interview is Bill Moredock, former CEO of (I forget) he is a tech teacher in MS and shows the kids how to build their own computers out of all the leftover materials they have, plus NASA simulations he's very type A technology
17:39:47  JohnS ->  *laugh*
17:40:19  lee ann baber ->  it is fun to be off line and more so since archiving has become more a rule than the exception
17:40:59  lee ann baber ->  we are starting to pick up teh skill to handle that so we do have a collective work crew
17:41:00  sendkathy ->  Silvia Tolisano's Bear trips   www.sjeds.com/blog/china
17:41:09  chellouise ->  living in the midwest, I like the fact that I can talk with people who know more than those around me
17:41:24  sendkathy ->  www.sjeds.com/blog/global_studies
17:41:29  lee ann baber ->  nawww
17:41:32  dougsymington ->  as long as there is some semblence of balance
17:41:51  JasonR ->  @sendkathy Har!
17:41:53  dougsymington ->  look at how much people enjoy meeting f2f after becoming friends here
17:42:05  sendkathy ->  Har! Har! ?
17:42:17  JasonR ->  Like LOL but on the inside
17:42:20  lee ann baber ->  it seems friends do not really like to meet so much anymore .. everyoine is finding time to be less available..so it is natural to go to our networks
17:42:24  sendkathy ->  LOL
17:42:42  kristianstill ->  Did you guys get the UK article about McD's
17:42:43  kristianstill ->  http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/education/7211958.stm
17:43:09  chellouise ->  kathy's busy laughing.  :)
17:43:23  dougsymington ->  disagree John--that's exactly when you should use tech, when it makes sense for the task at hand
17:43:34  dougsymington ->  showing tech, I'm assuming
17:43:47  sendkathy ->  So it's a good thing as Martha would say
17:44:06  sendkathy ->  who is doing it?
17:44:19  sendkathy ->  the new show?
17:44:23  chellouise ->  is there a Webcast Academy chat tonight?
17:44:56  JL ->  http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/765
17:44:56  chellouise ->  I'm supposed to be an intern...but I haven't started at all.  oops
17:44:58  sendkathy ->  Great hearing your voices and seeing your posts!
17:45:12  dougsymington ->  that's too good
17:45:14  sendkathy ->  Chellouise
17:45:21  sendkathy ->  maybe we should do a show?
17:45:21  chellouise ->  yes kathy?
17:45:32  wcgaskins ->  Thanks everyone bye
17:45:32  JasonR ->  UTC
17:45:37  sendkathy ->  I'm an unfinished intern
17:45:37  chellouise ->  that would be fun!
17:45:48  sendkathy ->  [email protected]
17:45:50  dougsymington ->  go on SL time--that way it can be light or dark
17:46:08  chellouise ->  thanks!  I'll get in touch.
17:46:19  sendkathy ->  great!
17:46:22  JasonR ->  They call it summer
17:46:26  montagne ->  sumer
17:46:32  montagne ->  that is what I thought
17:46:40  chellouise ->  because of the closeness of the sun to them and not us
17:46:43  sendkathy ->  I think its getting deep now
17:46:46  Gary ->  and make it digital so we don't really have the analog connection to the earth's rotation.  Please no!
17:46:53  sendkathy ->  deeeper
17:47:18  JasonR ->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
17:47:22  Gary ->  Might be fine for those who are addicted to technology
17:47:31  JL ->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversed_map
17:47:38  sendkathy ->  This is funny
17:47:44  JasonR ->  http://images.google.com/images?q=upside+down+map&hl=en&client=firefox-a...
17:47:50  sendkathy ->  Really I never thought about flipping the globe!
17:47:57  sendkathy ->  I am so backward
17:48:06  JasonR ->  http://www.public.asu.edu/~aarios/resourcebank/maps/page3.html
17:48:08  chellouise ->  i'm going to have to flip the globe upside down at work tomorrow!
17:48:18  sendkathy ->  me too, see if the kids notice
17:48:29  chellouise ->  It figures, I missed that too! (webcast academy)
17:48:38  chellouise ->  chellylouise
17:48:40  JasonR ->  It is arbitrary and somewhat imperial that the continents on the north side ar also on top
17:48:42  sendkathy ->  When is the next skype intern chat
17:48:43  JenMad ->  btw: thank you to everyone for joining us early this week!
17:48:51  sendkathy ->  I guess I should consult the calendar eh?
17:48:52  chellouise ->  that's my Skype name:  chellylouise
17:48:54  JenMad ->  it was all my fault ...
17:48:59  JasonR ->  All the colonized continents are on the bottom...conicidence?
17:49:11  sendkathy ->  LOL
17:49:18  dougsymington ->  maybe the videos are stuck in the tubes
17:49:23  dougsymington ->  on the way, that is
17:49:23  JohnS ->  like the united states, jason?
17:49:40  JasonR ->  We are a colonizing country
17:49:46  sendkathy ->  Are we supposed to be depressed about now, thanks for reminding us Jen!
17:50:27  dougsymington ->  I'm up to 27 days with my pics, props to dnorman for the concept
17:50:51  sendkathy ->  I met a Canadian at FETC, Leslie Snyder in AB
17:50:59  chellouise ->  'bye Jen!
17:50:59  sendkathy ->  I told her about EdTech Talk
17:51:24  sendkathy ->  Thank you!
17:51:29  dougsymington ->  cya later
17:51:32  sendkathy ->  By from down under
17:51:36  chellouise ->  anybody think the security at Orlando was NUTS?
17:51:42  Gary ->  Thanks  again
17:51:44  sendkathy ->  was it?
17:51:45  chellouise ->  cya all later
17:51:52  sendkathy ->  bye
17:52:03  JL ->  Thanks all - bye
18:01:11  sgaer ->  Hi did I miss the chat?
18:02:08  sgaer ->  I guess I did.