20:46:27  Durff  : greetings
 20:46:38  arieliondotcom  : Hello.  :)
 20:47:12  arieliondotcom  : Is there audio or is it text?
 20:47:28  Durff  : arieliondotcom want to be our first guest?
 20:47:34  Durff  : there will be audio
 20:47:39  arieliondotcom  : LURKER!!  LURKER!!  :)
 20:47:45  Durff  : we begin in 13 mins
 20:47:53  Durff  : oh right, lurker
 20:48:03  Durff  : pass the cough drops
 20:48:20  arieliondotcom  : I'll type but not talk.
 20:53:52  Durff  : hi dave
 20:54:25  Durff  : ariel i type too and there isn't talking with this voice
 20:54:32  Durff  : or rather lack thereof
 20:54:43  arieliondotcom  : Okay.  Are you sick?
 20:54:51  Durff  : i think i am
 20:55:16  arieliondotcom  : Awww...Sorry to hear that.  Fleep uque said she is just getting over "the Martian Flu" too.  :(
 20:56:53  arieliondotcom  : Suck on zinc losenges or use that ColdEez stuff.  It really does help.
 20:58:33  Durff  : honey/lemon cough drops
 20:58:54  Durff  : someone test our ustream?
 20:58:58  arieliondotcom  : That comforts but the zinc acutally heals.  If you take it early it cuts your sickness by at least one day.
 20:59:20  arieliondotcom  : Yup.  USTREAM fine.
 20:59:27  JoseRodriguez  : Hello Folks
 20:59:31  bradleyshoebottom  : brad shoebottom here
 20:59:38  Durff  : excellent
 20:59:41  JoseRodriguez  : We are on the air :)
 21:01:10  JoseRodriguez  : ustream... rookie on board today... please be patient
 21:01:33  Durff  : hi wendy
 21:02:01  Wendy Drexler  : Hi.  I enjoyed our conversation at K12Online
 21:02:16  Durff  : who me?
 21:02:31  Wendy Drexler  : @Durff  Yes, wasn't that you?
 21:02:41  Durff  : when i could talk
 21:02:49  Wendy Drexler  : :)
 21:04:00  Durff  : hi ariel
 21:04:14  arieliondotdom  : :)  Shut the wrong window.  
 21:04:23  JoseRodriguez  : Way to go Maria
 21:04:35  guest478  : yay Brad! another east coast canadian!
 21:05:30  JoseRodriguez  : sounds really fun... 
 21:05:31  guest478  : yay new brunswick!
 21:05:58  Durff  : Wendy sounds professional
 21:06:01  JoseRodriguez  : cool 3rd grade...
 21:06:02  Durff  : :)
 21:06:07  guest478  : Wendy... do you miss all the clapping?
 21:06:11  Durff  : hi liz
 21:06:18  Liz Kolb  : Hi 
 21:06:24  alicemercer  : Hello!
 21:06:24  arieliondotdom  : Do they offer you armor for protection from high school kids?  :)
 21:06:27  Durff  : dave, that's 1st grade
 21:07:07  Wendy Drexler  : Armor would be good.
 21:07:33  arieliondotdom  : Wendy:  You need a marshmallow shooter to keep them in line.  It works for my dog.
 21:07:34  Durff  : i need that
 21:07:59  Durff  : marshmallow shooter  what a great idea
 21:08:08  Durff  : i want one!
 21:08:24  arieliondotdom  : I still wake up screaming from that first "Intro" week.
 21:08:55  JoseRodriguez  : http://ltc.umanitoba.ca/moodle/course/view.php?id=20
 21:09:14  guest478  : there are certainly a bunch of different approaches to understanding the material
 21:09:56  Durff  : the blog http://ltc.umanitoba.ca/connectivism/?page_id=13
 21:10:06  arieliondotdom  : Right Wendy.  The point of the class is to make NEW connections.
 21:10:13  guest478  : even the review can be overwhelming
 21:10:17  JoseRodriguez  : So, what's your comfort zone?
 21:10:20  Durff  : today's daily http://connect.downes.ca/thedaily.htm
 21:11:27  Durff  : CCK08 is a 12 week course
 21:11:56  arieliondotdom  : Most of the folks have dropped off early on.
 21:12:09  guest478  : talkative LOL
 21:12:12  guest478  : that's one word for it
 21:12:12  arieliondotdom  : CF.  :)
 21:12:16  Durff  : cormier?
 21:12:20  arieliondotdom  : Caherine
 21:12:29  arieliondotdom  : Catherine
 21:12:42  guest478  : yes... quite
 21:12:53  Durff  : :)
 21:13:05  arieliondotdom  : < For Credit
 21:13:15  guest478  : i get no credit at all :P
 21:13:28  Durff  : the teacher can't
 21:13:33  guest478  : i'm hardly that
 21:13:40  Durff  : ok then
 21:13:46  Durff  : the streamer can't
 21:13:47  guest478  : gadfly :)
 21:13:48  Liz Kolb  : Which U is giving the credit?  
 21:13:50  arieliondotdom  : "Teacher" is a bad name in this course. :)
 21:14:03  Durff  : Uni of manitoba
 21:14:06  Durff  : i think
 21:14:11  guest478  : yup
 21:14:11  JoseRodriguez  : so... did the 10% hold true?
 21:14:29  guest478  : we've kept less than 10% i would say
 21:14:41  Liz Kolb  : Is it 3 credits (like a semester course)?
 21:14:43  Durff  : less?
 21:14:55  Durff  : how many lurkers did you keep?
 21:14:57  guest478  : 2250 total who 'expressed interest'
 21:15:04  guest478  : from what i remember
 21:15:10  Durff  : yes
 21:15:34  JoseRodriguez  : I signed up.. and started lurking and kept on lurking
 21:16:17  Durff  : the wave maker himself
 21:16:44  Durff  : i am the ultimate lurker
 21:16:48  alicemercer  : any issues in ustream with keyboard noise?
 21:16:49  Durff  : hi peggy
 21:16:53  MariaK  : howdy peggy
 21:17:10  JoseRodriguez  : I really like receiveing the daily.... 
 21:17:16  Durff  : yes
 21:17:32  PeggyG  : Hi Durff and MariaKsorry I'm late!
 21:17:41  Durff  : so much so, i seek to emulate that in my own teaching
 21:17:48  arieliondotdom  : That's the biggest learning, wayfinding, which they taught us by forcing us to do it.
 21:18:34  JoseRodriguez  : I did feel overwhelmed by the choices...
 21:18:40  arieliondotdom  : Pageflakes is flakey
 21:18:55  JoseRodriguez  : :)
 21:19:09  Durff  : i never got anything out of that pageflakes
 21:19:21  Durff  : i ignore it
 21:19:26  arieliondotdom  : I really like the video chats.
 21:19:48  Durff  : elluminate or ustream or both?
 21:19:59  JoseRodriguez  : http://technorati.com/search/CCK08?authority=n&language=en
 21:20:01  arieliondotdom  : A lot of people posted their grades as if to say "What the..."  :)
 21:20:03  Liz Kolb  : I think it is beneficial to learn which strategies help you learn best
 21:20:34  JoseRodriguez  : Here is the link to what I found on technorati
 21:20:36  Durff  : so they didn't agree with their grades?
 21:21:09  arieliondotdom  : DUFF:  I don't think they did.  I think they wanted folks to say "That's not fair!"
 21:21:30  Durff  : all is fair in love and war
 21:21:31  arieliondotdom  : Best blog:  http://www.arieliondotcom.wordpress.com  :)
 21:21:53  Durff  : mmm  shameless selfpromotion?
 21:22:07  arieliondotdom  : DUFF:  I don't think that's legal in this state.
 21:22:25  guest478  : yeah DUFF... it's not legal
 21:22:25  Durff  : i'm in maryland
 21:22:41  arieliondotdom  : ::On phone with the blog police::
 21:22:41  Durff  : in canada maybe not
 21:23:07  Durff  : tell us how that works out for you
 21:23:09  arieliondotdom  : Stephen Downes has taken over Canada.  There is no authority anymore.  :)
 21:23:12  guest478  : @arielondotcom no worries... that's me!
 21:23:19  Durff  : and stop making me laugh
 21:23:26  Durff  : sounds like croaking
 21:24:01  arieliondotdom  : They have medication for htat.
 21:24:44  JoseRodriguez  : any blogging is public....I guess Dave's point
 21:25:07  Durff  : my point of view too
 21:26:01  arieliondotdom  : ANd it's also not everyone's personality type.  Like public speaking.
 21:26:05  JoseRodriguez  : Forcing... not sure I agree..... It's part of the reflective piece
 21:26:50  arieliondotdom  : What is the objective?  Find a way to reach the objective in the most comfortable way for that student.
 21:26:52  Durff  : if it's online it is public
 21:27:03  Durff  : the potential exists
 21:27:25  Durff  : that is why i am brutally honest online
 21:27:47  arieliondotdom  : "YOu know you want to"
 21:28:20  guest478  : @arieliondotdom lol yup.
 21:28:30  arieliondotdom  : Especially when they're younger and may have to answer to an employer some day.  Hey, Dude...Just did drugs..."
 21:28:37  Durff  : and the previous principal read my blog
 21:28:44  arieliondotdom  : I'm using Wendy Drexler's name from now on.
 21:28:49  guest478  : me too.
 21:28:58  guest478  : is wendydrexler.org taken?
 21:29:26  JoseRodriguez  :  I like having the choice..and  this includes forum post and commenting
 21:29:58  Durff  : wendy's blog http://teachweb2.blogspot.com/
 21:30:28  Durff  : bradley's blog  http://bradleyshoebottom.wordpress.com/
 21:30:31  Wendy Drexler  : Using my name my not get you any respect.  LOL
 21:30:47  Durff  : never asked for it
 21:30:59  arieliondotdom  : Wendy You're right.  I think we'll blog ABOUT you instead.  "Can you believe Wendy..."  :)
 21:31:21  Wendy Drexler  : Now that would be interesting.  I can't wait to hear about me.
 21:31:23  JoseRodriguez  : blog ... is a diary with an attidtude.
 21:31:26  Durff  : or can you believe what ariel said?
 21:31:38  arieliondotdom  : "Errrr....Okay.  Never mind.   
 21:32:00  guest478  : my blog is a bit more than a diary for me... 
 21:32:14  guest478  : it's a connection
 21:32:15  arieliondotdom  : Apparently Bradley is a trouble maker so they would believe whatever we said about him.
 21:32:25  JoseRodriguez  : so they are just like teachers.
 21:32:52  Durff  : so true ariel
 21:33:07  Durff  : or just like jose
 21:33:18  Wendy Drexler  : I had military students in the graduate course I taught.  They were not comfortably blogging.  I gave them an option.
 21:33:28  Wendy Drexler  : comfortable
 21:34:45  arieliondotdom  : What?  No Palin bashing?
 21:35:02  Durff  : do give him ideas
 21:35:20  guest478  : what's a palin?
 21:35:27  arieliondotdom  : We did have that option Bradley
 21:35:28  guest478  : michael palin?
 21:35:36  arieliondotdom  : I'm on Second Life cohort.
 21:35:56  JoseRodriguez  : I heard that Second life comment..
 21:36:26  Durff  : i was refering to nzchrissy
 21:38:00  arieliondotdom  : Don't remind me about the final project.
 21:38:16  JoseRodriguez  : Getting close to wrapping it up as in CCK08... Was this course any different than other classes? 
 21:38:53  arieliondotdom  : Yes, very differnet.  Having a new perspective to find your own way.
 21:39:16  arieliondotdom  : I learned to use Second Life and Twiter.
 21:39:43  Durff  : learned SL and you are in the SL cohort?
 21:39:50  Durff  : fast learner!
 21:39:53  arieliondotdom  : Yes.  I'm lerning as I go.
 21:40:08  arieliondotdom  : Learning to spell "learning" too.
 21:40:13  Durff  : that is accerlerated learning
 21:40:33  Durff  : 'invented' in the 70s
 21:40:40  Durff  : hi sue
 21:40:52  sroseman  : Hi Durff
 21:41:11  Durff  : paul  you are late
 21:41:18  arieliondotdom  : Yes.  "Teach them to fish"
 21:41:36  JoseRodriguez  : I like that  Areil
 21:41:37  paulrwood  : What else is new?
 21:41:42  Wendy Drexler  : Hi paul.
 21:41:46  arieliondotdom  : A room of 5 ear olds.  Scary.
 21:41:51  Durff  : so true paul
 21:41:58  paulrwood  : Hello @Wendy
 21:42:08  paulrwood  : I love you too @Durff
 21:42:14  Durff  : :)
 21:42:48  Durff  : i found that too with 1st graders
 21:43:03  Durff  : they loved connecting
 21:43:08  arieliondotdom  : It's a human thing.  Connectivism is natural and we teach it out of them.
 21:43:21  Durff  : bingo
 21:43:22  JoseRodriguez  : I wonder if it's anything new to our students?  It might be just business as usual.
 21:43:49  arieliondotdom  : We literally force students NOT to make connections so they "pay attention" to US, but if we don't have the attractive connections they tune OUT instead.
 21:43:49  Durff  : it might just be new to us
 21:43:58  Wendy Drexler  : It's new to my students.
 21:43:59  Durff  : bingo
 21:44:01  alicemercer  : it is new, they know the technology they know, which isn't always what we know, or what they may "need" to know
 21:44:12  Durff  : i just put that in the forum ariel
 21:44:14  Wendy Drexler  : They don't know all the technology, either.
 21:44:38  Durff  : neither do I wendy
 21:44:39  arieliondotdom  : Do you want your boss to read "I picked my nose and put it on Wendy's seat today" in 20 years?  :)
 21:44:45  Wendy Drexler  : Me neither.
 21:44:55  sroseman  : can you post the blog
 21:44:56  Durff  : well, what boss?
 21:45:01  sroseman  : sorry I am late
 21:45:04  Durff  : there ain't one
 21:45:47  Durff  : her words sound like Vivian Paley Gussey
 21:45:52  arieliondotdom  : The connections are still fresh when they're young.  It has been beaten out of them by the time they are in high school.
 21:46:07  Durff  : i don't find that
 21:46:12  PeggyG  : I think the question of ownership depends on the teacher. If the blog is an assignment (controlled by teacher) they won't feel ownership.
 21:46:19  JoseRodriguez  : either taht or they are ready to innnovate... 
 21:46:31  Durff  : if i work to engage them , the rise to the challenge
 21:46:37  arieliondotdom  : The whole course has been emergent
 21:46:43  Durff  : they connect
 21:46:46  Wendy Drexler  : It's been a good experiment, though.  We learn from mistakes.
 21:46:50  Durff  : they learn
 21:46:55  Durff  : they create
 21:46:56  JoseRodriguez  : I am trying to get away form the assignment approach.
 21:47:00  arieliondotdom  : George and Stephen have learned along with us.
 21:47:30  Wendy Drexler  : @arielion I agree.  I hope that George and Stephen will share their perspective in the end.
 21:47:43  Durff  : i'm leaning towards projects  going against everything our school does
 21:48:01  arieliondotdom  : WHAT?  Uh oh.  Where's the delete button?
 21:48:05  Durff  : yes which is why we are so snarky
 21:48:16  Durff  : delete?
 21:48:21  Durff  : there ain't one
 21:48:36  arieliondotdom  : :)  Thanks folks.  Nice to be here.
 21:48:52  arieliondotdom  : Too late for the east coast.
 21:48:59  Durff  : nope
 21:49:02  arieliondotdom  : Zzzzzzzz
 21:49:10  Wendy Drexler  : Thank you SO much.  I enjoyed connecting with everyone.
 21:49:12  Durff  : i'm on the eastern seaboard
 21:49:17  PeggyG  : it was good to listen tonightsorry I missed the beginning. Lots of food for thought.
 21:49:19  arieliondotdom  : :)
 21:49:47  arieliondotdom  : Him.
 21:49:51  Durff  : food?
 21:49:53  arieliondotdom  : That stinking mermaid again.
 21:49:54  Wendy Drexler  : I'm on the west coast of Florida.
 21:50:03  Durff  : Mr. Siiglar you are late
 21:50:12  arieliondotdom  : The only food for thought I want is ribs.
 21:50:36  James Sigler  : I know.  My laptop died, so I'm on my Linux desktop
 21:50:49  James Sigler  : Are you on Ustream?
 21:50:49  arieliondotdom  : We have to all go and start blogging about what Wendy said about her school board now...
 21:50:58  Durff  : ok, but don't let it happen again
 21:51:05  guest478  : http://www.wordplay.com/tourism/folklore/placenames.html
 21:51:22  Wendy Drexler  : :)
 21:51:36  Durff  : i've heard of moose jaw
 21:51:40  arieliondotdom  : Moose Jaw?  So we are going to talk about Palin.
 21:51:51  Durff  : there is
 21:51:55  Wendy Drexler  : Two Egg, Florida
 21:51:58  James Sigler  : Thanks Ms Durff;) 
 21:51:59  Durff  : i've been there too
 21:52:10  paulrwood  : Moose Jaw is Dean Shareski
 21:52:30  arieliondotdom  : Are we still being educated?
 21:52:30  Durff  : there are others who live there too
 21:52:44  paulrwood  : Are you sure Durff
 21:52:46  Durff  : paul is educating us
 21:52:48  sroseman  : damp here in Ottawa ..
 21:52:50  alicemercer  : ANyone, anyone want to join?
 21:52:55  Liz Kolb  : Thanks, this was a great conversation...lots to think about
 21:52:57  alicemercer  : Liz? Paul?
 21:53:04  Durff  : oi veh
 21:53:21  Durff  : was sagst ?
 21:53:26  James Sigler  : Where is the sound?
 21:53:27  alicemercer  : Well, there is my answer from Liz
 21:53:35  Durff  : er kann nicht sprechen
 21:53:41  Durff  : gar nicht
 21:53:43  Wendy Drexler  : Franglish.  Here we have Spanglish
 21:53:57  Durff  : wo?
 21:54:15  Durff  : i kann nicht espanosich
 21:55:11  guest478  : gotta go dudes.
 21:55:12  Durff  : da alice, sie spricht uber , nicht?
 21:55:20  Durff  : oi veh
 21:55:43  Durff  : vergissen sie , lieber Gott
 21:55:45  arieliondotdom  : But he said that it was only when you were on Dave.
 21:56:00  Durff  : warum nicht bradley?
 21:56:40  arieliondotdom  : Dave you need to have a smackdown between George and Stephen and prompt George about the "you're stupid" remark.
 21:56:48  JoseRodriguez  : hav'nt been able to participate in live sessions
 21:57:02  alicemercer  : Are the Canadians about to fight?
 21:57:08  guest478  : I've pushed the 'you're stupid' 
 21:57:12  Durff  : i ch denke, dass ich muss jetzt ins bett gehen
 21:57:13  arieliondotdom  : ALICE:  I hope so.
 21:57:15  guest478  : george is too nice
 21:57:18  alicemercer  : I thought they were known for being polite!
 21:57:24  Durff  : ich hoffe
 21:57:34  arieliondotdom  : GUEST:  Exactly.  I am waiting for him to grab Stephen by the hair.  :)
 21:58:12  JoseRodriguez  : or twitter them in
 21:58:16  Durff  : he will ariel
 21:58:21  arieliondotdom  : Dave you have our implicit approval to get the fight started.
 21:58:29  Durff  : don't give him ideas
 21:58:35  Durff  : i like them
 21:58:46  Durff  : but i can't get to the life shows
 21:58:48  arieliondotdom  : I like them but only because of the anticipation of a fight.
 21:58:58  alicemercer  : Getting back to "core values"?
 21:59:02  Durff  : it is during work
 21:59:03  JoseRodriguez  : I like them and I didn't even particpate
 21:59:06  alicemercer  : Isn't that the GOP strategy?
 21:59:28  arieliondotdom  : ALICE:  these things are turning into political diatribes.
 21:59:50  alicemercer  : Which things?
 22:00:00  alicemercer  : The arguments in the shows?
 22:00:13  arieliondotdom  : ALICE:  the chats
 22:00:17  alicemercer  : Here?
 22:00:53  arieliondotdom  : ALIC:  No.  the class chats.  Stephen always manages to get us into his hatredof authority in general and US politicians in particular
 22:01:39  guest478  : yeah... stephen doesn't really like traditional authority very well
 22:02:25  arieliondotdom  : LOL
 22:03:18  arieliondotdom  : That's why GOD invented Twitter so you're always connected and can hear about other people being bored on the subway while you are.
 22:03:45  Durff  : night all
 22:03:47  guest478  : must go... :P by all!
 22:04:07  JoseRodriguez  : Thanks .... 
 22:04:14  arieliondotdom  : Bye Dave.
 22:04:30  arieliondotdom  : Night Duff.  thanks for the invite.
 22:04:46  arieliondotdom  : Night all.
 22:07:33  bradleyshoebottom  : toodles