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Open Education Resources (OER) are teaching, learning, and research resourcesthat reside in the public domain or have been released under an intellectual property license that permits their free use or re-purposing by others. Open educational resources include full courses, course materials, modules, textbooks, streaming videos, tests, software, and any other tools, materials, or techniques used to support access to knowledge.
Defining ORE wikieducator.org/Educators_care/Defining_OER#cite_
We are joined by Karen Fasimpaur  and Antero Garcia  fresh from their NCTE presentation (along with Paul Oh and Harry Brake) NCTE 2011 - OPEN EDUCATION, DIGITAL RESOURCES, SHARING, AND NEW LITERACIES .
20:33:40 Paul Allison: http://www.k12opened.com/wiki/index.php/Ncte2011 
20:33:55 Paul Allison: http://p2pu.org/en/schools/school-of-ed-pilot/ 
20:34:07 Paul Allison: http://digitalis.nwp.org/ 
20:45:20 Paul Allison: Hi Halloway
20:46:10 HollowayKm: Hello Paul! Just checking out some of the links you posted, did you take part in the P2PU courses?
20:47:09 Paul Allison: No, wish I had. Do you teach?
20:47:22 Paul Allison: Hi Cmoriates. Are you a teacher?
20:47:28 HollowayKm: Im a teacher candidate right now at Brock University
20:48:23 HollowayKm: Im taking a technology class with Zoe Branigan Pipe and she suggested we participate in one of the online discussions. Do you teach?
20:52:47 Paul Allison: Welcome! Yes I'm an English teacher at the Bronx Academy Senior High and I work with the NYC Writing Project.
20:52:54 Paul Allison: I
20:53:09 Paul Allison: I'm getting set up... for the live webcast now.
20:53:31 PamLagler: Great, look forward to it starting.
20:53:34 HollowayKm: Thanks! I'm looking foward to it!
20:54:45 karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, folks.
20:55:10 HollowayKm: hello Karen and everyone
20:56:47 karen (@kfasimpaur): Glad to see some folks here. :)
20:57:21 PamLagler: Hi everyone. I'm joining you from eastern PA.
20:57:31 Joe T.: Hello everyone. Interesting choice of activity the night before thanksgiving.
20:57:42 karen (@kfasimpaur): I'm between cooking things here.
20:58:03 PamLagler: I have food in stages of prep, but waiting to cook tomorrow.
20:58:04 HollowayKm: Happy thanksgiving! I'm joining form Canada we had ours in October
21:02:42 Joe T.: So... how do these things work?
21:03:12 karen (@kfasimpaur): You all getting the video feed ok?
21:03:16 PeggyG: Hi all-will this chat be monitored tonight or should we just watch the stream?
21:03:23 PeggyG: stream is coming through great
21:03:41 karen (@kfasimpaur): I'm watching it when I'm not talking.
21:03:48 PamLagler: The gentleman speaking now is at a very low volume, but I have my volume turned up all the way.
21:04:04 karen (@kfasimpaur): Sound is ok here.
21:04:05 PeggyG: that is Paul--the moderator
21:04:09 karen (@kfasimpaur): Is it just Paul that's low?
21:04:30 PeggyG: much better now
21:04:38 PamLagler: Hi Paul. I'm having a little trouble hearing you -- your broadcast volume is a bit low.
21:04:39 karen (@kfasimpaur): Cool.
21:04:42 karen (@kfasimpaur): Welcome everyone.
21:05:23 PeggyG: Karen are you also in the Google Hangout?
21:05:26 HollowayKm: I'm not recieving the video feed.... is there something I need to click on?
21:05:43 PeggyG: click on play @HollowayKM on top of the video
21:05:43 Joe T.: Click on the screen to the right.
21:06:45 PeggyG: the images from Monika's school will appear dark because they don't have much light in the room
21:06:55 PeggyG: Yeah Scott!!!
21:07:39 karen (@kfasimpaur): Sleep is *not* overrated :)
21:08:14 PeggyG: if there is no one in this chat who is also in the Google Hangout our comments and questions won't be shared with them for a response
21:08:34 karen (@kfasimpaur): I'm in the Google Hangout. I'll share.
21:08:44 Paul Allison: We try to only use this chat. Thanks Peggy.
21:08:51 Paul Allison: It
21:09:29 PeggyG: Wonderful!! It was frustrating last week not to be able to participate from this chat room.
21:09:36 karen (@kfasimpaur): I feel like I know Paul from G+
21:09:48 karen (@kfasimpaur): <I love chat>
21:09:54 PeggyG: thanks Karen!!!
21:10:15 PeggyG: http://www.youthvoices.net 
21:10:40 Joe T.: How do we participate in the discussion?
21:10:44 PeggyG: It is an awesome site with lots of great things being shared by the students
21:10:59 PeggyG: you have to join the Google Hangout to participate in the video conversation
21:11:50 Joe T.: Where is the google hangout?
21:11:54 PeggyG: the link for the Hangout is above this chat window (for me at least)
21:12:10 PeggyG: do you see it Joe?
21:12:42 PamLagler: The connection for Google Hangout is above this message window and it shows TTT Google+ Hangout
21:12:43 PeggyG: I think 10 people can be in the hangout
21:13:22 PeggyG: Hi Scott! Great to see you in the Hangout!! Won't be long now before you graduate and get your own classroom!
21:14:19 karen (@kfasimpaur): http://www.creativecommons.org 
21:14:37 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Hi Peggy! Yes, soon (I hope). Starting to look at openings. Let me know if you see something where you think I might fit.
21:14:46 PamLagler: I was going to mention creativecommons.org
21:15:08 PeggyG: I'd love to hear them go into more detail about fair use for teachers and ways they can use it transformatively! Teachers limit themselves by using the old charts with time limits on them
21:15:53 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Where is the "float the chatroom" button?"
21:16:05 PeggyG: any way we could get links to some of the things he's mentioning?
21:16:14 karen (@kfasimpaur): Links to everything here: http://www.k12opened.com/ncte2011 
21:17:05 PeggyG: this tool bar is so frustrating because I can't access the float tool. it's hidden to the right of the sound icon and it won't let me drag the tool bar off to see it all
21:17:25 PeggyG: I'm using Firefox and that may be why. I think I used Chrome last week and I could see it
21:17:33 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): found it.... change your screen resolution to see it.
21:17:39 PeggyG: thanks a lot Karen!!! That's really helpful!
21:17:44 karen (@kfasimpaur): Kids are so engaged by the topic of copyright, fair use, etc. -- more so than teachers -- I think because they see themselves as content producers
21:17:53 joe T.: When I click on Google+ hangout it says it's not available. I'll just have to participate through the chat room.
21:18:14 PeggyG: kids don't limit themselves by the "rules"--they just focus on creating
21:18:41 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): the google + link is often broken. Click on Paul on Google + and join the hangout through his stream.
21:18:42 PeggyG: I'm sorry Joe!! Maybe Karen can ask Paul in the other chat if there is room for you to get in
21:18:44 karen (@kfasimpaur): Great open lic music site: http://www.ccmixter.org 
21:18:57 PeggyG: Paul Allison in Google +
21:19:16 PamLagler: I would agree with you Peggy. I haven't heard any student stop and say, "Perhaps I shouldn't use this song in my mash-up because I may be breaking copyright laws". I think the focus is more on the creation process rather than the "rules".
21:19:30 PeggyG: that's my experience too Pam
21:19:55 PeggyG: tell him the link didn't work
21:20:09 karen (@kfasimpaur): Join us on G+
21:20:14 PeggyG: you can't copy/paste in this chat log
21:20:17 karen (@kfasimpaur): hang on 1 sec
21:20:23 karen (@kfasimpaur): oh!!!! that's the problem.
21:20:39 PeggyG: if you can float the window you can drag the url into the chat
21:21:29 PamLagler: The nice thing about creative commons licensing is that you can choose your level -- commercial use, non-commercial, etc.
21:21:36 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): OK... is it readable now?
21:21:49 karen (@kfasimpaur): r u all on twitter? I tweeted it at @kfasimpaur
21:22:08 PeggyG: i'm @pgeorge on twitter
21:22:42 karen (@kfasimpaur): Look at http://www.twitter.com/kfasimpaur  for the link to the hangout
21:22:48 karen (@kfasimpaur): (easier to type that)
21:23:06 karen (@kfasimpaur): http://digitalis.nwp.org 
21:23:31 PeggyG: :-) we can't even copy text/links from this chat! but we can click on clickable links...
21:24:08 PeggyG: so great to meet you Karen! I'm in Phoenix AZ :-)
21:24:39 karen (@kfasimpaur): Peggy, I'm in the middle on nowhere on the AZ/NM border way south. It's beautiful here, but remote.
21:25:02 PeggyG: i know right where Portal is :-)
21:25:18 PeggyG: Just started following you on Twitter :-)
21:25:36 karen (@kfasimpaur): Wow. Most folks have never heard of it. (I'm about 10 miles from Portal....45 miles from Douglas, nearest grocery is there)
21:26:07 karen (@kfasimpaur): http://www.p2pu.org 
21:27:09 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I teach my 3rd graders about copyright and creative commons. :-)
21:27:45 Paul Allison: Does anybody want to join us?
21:27:54 PamLagler: Scott, that is great! I teach third grade as well. How well do they grasp the concepts?
21:28:49 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): The grasp copyright fairly quickly.... they understand that they cant just take any picture they find. Publishing rights are more difficult for them
21:28:56 PeggyG: I've attended a number of AzTEA conferences at Empire HS in Vail
21:29:23 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): My Lunchtime Writer's Club is starting to undertanad the publishing side of copyright and sharing
21:29:38 HollowayKm: its great that your teaching them at such a young age. At my high school they have very little knowledge on referencing the materials they are taking. They think if its on google images its free to take
21:29:41 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): http://lunchtimewriterclub.blogspot.com/ 
21:29:51 PeggyG: I think teachers have a harder time understanding fair use so they don't know how to explain it to students
21:30:24 PeggyG: you've had some excellent blog posts Scott!
21:30:34 karen (@kfasimpaur): Good point Peggy.
21:30:52 PeggyG: why don't you come to AZ to teach???? We need teachers like you!
21:30:53 HollowayKm: that is also true. I'm in teachers college right now and we had a creative commons session in our technology class. 95% of us hadn't even thought about creative commons and sharing
21:30:56 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Many teachers openly take ANYTHING or don't take/share at all.... not much in between
21:31:00 karen (@kfasimpaur): One thing I do is show the actual legal language for fair use. It's pretty gray and not what people thing it says.
21:31:17 karen (@kfasimpaur): (think)
21:31:18 PeggyG: that's absolutely right Karen
21:31:45 karen (@kfasimpaur): but not for long...that's because of the wikipedia community
21:31:54 PeggyG: I love the resources that Joyce Valenza and Kristen Hokanson share about fair use and transformative/remixing use. They are some of the best1
21:32:44 karen (@kfasimpaur): Wikpedia is a great space for open licensed images. Everything there is open.
21:33:58 karen (@kfasimpaur): People who are involved writers/editors on Wikipedia know each other. Not true of everyone there, but there is a community
21:34:42 joe T.: We use wikipedia as a filter. Students are told to use the resources listed as a starting point rather than the page itself.
21:34:56 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): @Peggy - I'm open to relocation. I'll move for the right position.
21:36:23 anterobot: Wondering if a Google+ Hangout is "open"...
21:36:56 karen (@kfasimpaur): open ebooks for k-12: http://www.k12opened.com/ebooks 
21:37:03 karen (@kfasimpaur): Hey, Wes! Good to see you here.
21:37:12 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Hi Wes
21:37:23 Wesley Fryer: hello! ive been watching and just got a laptop to join the chat
21:37:25 karen (@kfasimpaur): There's still room in the G+ hangout if anyone wants to join us there.
21:37:42 joe T.: Thanks for the ebook link : )
21:37:55 karen (@kfasimpaur): The phenomenon of "freezing" certain content has merits.
21:38:18 Wesley Fryer: Hi Scott!
21:38:21 PeggyG: http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/NECC09+Workshop 
21:38:29 Wesley Fryer: technical question: how can I make the chat full screen?
21:38:51 Wesley Fryer: Hiya Peggy :-)
21:38:53 PeggyG: dreamer wes...
21:39:01 Wesley Fryer: ah
21:39:13 karen (@kfasimpaur): Try floating it and expanding it (worked for me)
21:39:38 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Find the float button (look at my arrow on the chat screen)
21:39:42 PeggyG: can't change the chat window unless you can find a way to float the chat window
21:39:58 PeggyG: it doesn't show up for me
21:40:00 Wesley Fryer: I really think we need to get all pre-service education programs on the OER bandwagon: all student-created units shared with CC licenses on sites like Curriki
21:40:44 anterobot: Cory Doctorow on the need for open material: "the big problem isn't piracy, it's obscurity."
21:40:47 Wesley Fryer: Is there an association of Deans of Colleges of Education that could be 'evangelized' about OER?
21:41:06 Wesley Fryer: @anterobot that is a great quote
21:41:43 Wesley Fryer: I know Monica, Karen and Paul, but who else is in the video call?
21:42:01 anterobot: check out the book it's from: craphound.com/littlebrother/download
21:42:02 Wesley Fryer: ...or is it Monika?
21:42:08 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): A few of my recent courses stressed coppyright.... but not a majority. Some even modeled "borrowing" images frm the 'net
21:43:04 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Wes, hover your cursor over the people in the hangout and their name will be displayed.
21:43:14 karen (@kfasimpaur): Alson on the call are Antero Garcia, Monika Hardy
21:43:31 Paul Allison: Anybody could join us in the hangout by clicking the link above.
21:43:32 Wesley Fryer: is everyone in the livestream video in the chat?
21:43:39 Paul Allison: no.
21:43:49 Wesley Fryer: thanks karen!
21:43:58 Paul Allison: but you could join us in the hangout.
21:44:05 Wesley Fryer: Antero what is your twitter ID? And Alson?
21:44:36 PeggyG: we can't mouse over the people in the live stream to see the names--that only happens in the hangout
21:44:50 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): oh, sorry.
21:44:57 Wesley Fryer: I'm on a hacked netbook so I don't know if the hangout would work... I'm glad to be in the chat tonight. So glad to see you merging Google hangout and Livestream!
21:44:59 karen (@kfasimpaur): Daye Rogers at the bottom of video
21:45:02 PeggyG: join the call Wes :-) you have a lot to contribute
21:45:03 karen (@kfasimpaur): badges...meh
21:45:27 karen (@kfasimpaur): If we paid teachers what we should, all these issues would go away
21:45:43 joe T.: Many believe nothing in life is intrinsic.
21:45:44 karen (@kfasimpaur): it sucks
21:45:47 Wesley Fryer: @karen you use of 'meh' reminds me of the history of that Michael Wesch shares... very funny but also culturally illuminating :-)
21:45:58 PeggyG: it's semi-merged Wes. Karen and Scott are in both chats so they can share our messages with those in hangout and we can view the stream
21:46:31 PeggyG: that's where Finland gets it right--recruit and train the very best and then hire them and pay them well!
21:46:44 Paul Allison: If you guys can figure out what we should do to get it more together, I'd be happy
21:47:06 PeggyG: there was a great presentation in the Global Ed conference about the Finnish model and how it relates to US pre-service ed
21:47:48 PeggyG: @Paul--the only way to blend it better is to keep all chat here and none in the hangout--then be sure that the people in hangout are also following the chat here
21:47:49 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): There are places student teachers can break the mold. My experience is an example
21:47:59 PeggyG: I agree Scott!
21:48:16 Wesley Fryer: @peggy I should check that one out... What do people think about applying the Finland model to the US? Is it appropriate in our most diverse communities, esp those challenged with lots of poverty?
21:48:21 PeggyG: Monika is very utopian and sets a great example for all of us
21:49:13 PeggyG: @Wes-it starts with the culture of the people who value and highly respect educators in Finland--not sure we can easily change that culture in the US
21:49:23 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): My cooperating teacher has let me replace teh chairs with yoga balls, replace desks with tables, create my own study-partner plan, and do several "outside classroom" projects.
21:49:42 karen (@kfasimpaur): Culture is everything
21:49:49 PeggyG: it's not really the low income population that is the issue although Finland is more homogenous that the US
21:49:50 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): It is too bad this is the exception and not the norm .
21:49:56 Wesley Fryer: I think my iPad Livestream is really delayed. I'm just hearing Paul asking the question about badges now...
21:50:11 PamLagler: Scott, that is an awesome and very rewarding experience. There should be many more opportunities such as yours for pre-service teachers.
21:50:17 PeggyG: you are really fortunate Scott that your mentor teacher allows you to make those changes in the classroom. Kudos to her
21:50:26 Wesley Fryer: @Scott wow! That is out of the box environment changing. Good for you and your coop. teacher!
21:50:29 joe T.: Badges are necessary for security issues. Police officers are trained to look at the chest in the event an incident happens at school.
21:50:30 PeggyG: you're right Wes. That is quite a lag
21:50:30 HollowayKm: That is great scott, i wasn't even allowed to make adjustments to seating or classroom settings in my recent teaching block
21:50:57 Wesley Fryer: reminds me of how bad the latency used to be with Microsoft streaming technologies...
21:51:08 Wesley Fryer: the content is great, the chat is just ahead of the dialog!
21:51:39 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Low acheiving, or acheiving differently?
21:51:56 PamLagler: Great point, Scott!
21:52:01 Wesley Fryer: great question: "what does it mean to be low performing:
21:52:34 Wesley Fryer: So do you all have hope with Common Core to change that 'low performing' definition and focus?
21:52:57 PeggyG: not much @Wes...
21:52:57 karen (@kfasimpaur): I have hopes for Common Core...but the more folks I talk to, the less hopes I have
21:53:05 PamLagler: I have a very large learning support cluster in my third grade classroom and I don't look at those students as low achievers -- they achieve at their own level, it just looks different from the achievement level of other students -- similar to a personality.
21:53:20 PeggyG: many of them are taking the approach that they won't do anything with them until they have to
21:54:08 Wesley Fryer: @karen our state gov't education officials have drunk all the jeb bush edu reform so kool aide and see common core as a sea change... I'm not so sure
21:54:29 joe T.: What "badges" are she talking about?
21:54:31 PeggyG: I wish I could copy/paste links in this chat so I could share the Finnish presentation :-(
21:54:51 Wesley Fryer: @peggy I'll have to check out that preso then!
21:54:59 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Email/twitter/pluk it to me .... Ill paste it
21:55:00 karen (@kfasimpaur): badges for learning achievement...DML...alternative to more formal credit <getting a link>
21:55:02 PeggyG: yes :-)
21:55:22 Wesley Fryer: officials want things to measure. they believe 'if you can't measure it, it's not a real goal' (I heard that last week in a preso)
21:56:24 PeggyG: look for Dr. Ann Gaudino in the Global Ed recordings--the presenters are sort of in alphabetical order by name
21:56:33 Wesley Fryer: ok, thanks!
21:56:33 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): common core has potential, but is may lead us down the path to a common curriculum....
21:56:36 karen (@kfasimpaur): http://dmlcentral.net/resources/4440 
21:56:50 joe T.: Thanks karen.
21:57:05 PeggyG: great link Karen!
21:57:09 Wesley Fryer: @scott I tend to think it's a conspiracy to make it easier for edu publishers to sell more and just need to create 1 version of curricula...
21:58:09 Wesley Fryer: 'why don't we start modeling sharing in places that are useful [as educators]' - great point by Monika!
21:58:23 PeggyG: that's absolutely right Wes! if it can't be measured it's not worth doing--but they're not thinking of measurement in any way but standardized tests
21:58:36 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): @Wes, that may be true, but CCore may allow more of us change-agents collaborate easier. It may be the foothold we need
21:58:45 PeggyG: yes! the publishers control the content AND the assessments
21:59:07 Wesley Fryer: @Scott it certainly seems more oriented to process skills and problem solving, rather than 3000+ state content standards...
21:59:25 karen (@kfasimpaur): P2PU has a group on badges. DML also has a discussion group on badges.
21:59:37 Wesley Fryer: I think generally we need to start putting more faith (as a body politic) in teachers rather than standards or tests
21:59:42 PeggyG: there's lots of conversation about badges on Edmodo :-)
22:00:19 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I'm not sure badges are the key. I'm a scout leader (boys and girls). Badges are motivating for some, but not as many as you would think.
22:00:20 PeggyG: @Wes--I think we're drinking the same "Koolaide" because I find myself agreeing with everything you're saying :-)
22:00:45 PeggyG: that last point is exactly what is happening in Finland--putting the faith and trust in the teachers
22:00:55 joe T.: OER?
22:00:57 karen (@kfasimpaur): sharing...equity...transparency
22:01:04 Wesley Fryer: @Scott I saw your scouting background in your twitter ID... love your statements there, btw! I agree badges do not motivate all, any more than Accelerated Reader doesn't motivate all to read
22:01:07 karen (@kfasimpaur): OER=open educational resources
22:01:27 PeggyG: are you a leader if you don't have any/many followers??? :-)
22:01:31 Wesley Fryer: OER is not part of the normal lexicon of education yet, and that needs to change
22:01:33 PeggyG: what makes a good leader?
22:01:48 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Accelerated Reader is an anchor, not a sail. I hope it goes away soon.
22:01:54 Wesley Fryer: "a good leader takes a group of people and get the job done"
22:02:07 PeggyG: Teachers don't have to understand what makes the technology work as long as it works and is meeting their needs
22:02:16 Wesley Fryer: @scott that is a GREAT way to frame AR
22:02:46 PeggyG: i agree about ar Scott!! I wish it would go away soon. At least the way I see most teachers/schools using it.
22:03:02 Wesley Fryer: I don't think the "AR points" mindset is going away tho... witness the 'badges' conversation about Kahn Academy...
22:03:22 PeggyG: differentiation is another thing that teachers resist...
22:03:26 Wesley Fryer: we need to find ways to value 'remixed curriculum' created by students as well as teachers
22:03:50 PeggyG: exactly Wes--just another way to do it
22:03:53 Wesley Fryer: we should find ways to publicly and regularly celebrate/recognize remixed curriculum in our communities
22:04:02 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Our district wants to push it even more. We have been kids read AR books for their literature circle books. They get to do our lesson, and still get to pass the AR test.
22:04:05 PeggyG: that would be wonderful Wes!
22:04:25 Wesley Fryer: How many states are mandating CC licenses for purchased curriculum? anyone?
22:04:27 karen (@kfasimpaur): Any questions from anyone in chat?
22:04:42 karen (@kfasimpaur): not being able to paste in chat is hard for me...
22:04:49 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): You can turn the bell off.
22:04:57 PeggyG: I think some of the things the 1:1 school in Vail, AZ are great examples of ways to remix curriculum and create your own.
22:05:00 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I'll make a screen cast to show you how.
22:05:04 Wesley Fryer: @karen I'm really interested to learn more about your College of Education in P2PU
22:05:06 PeggyG: me too Karen!
22:05:19 karen (@kfasimpaur): Very true about Vail Peggy
22:05:21 PeggyG: I know how Scott but it isn't working in Firefox for me
22:05:40 karen (@kfasimpaur): Would love to talk more about P2PU School of Ed...we're looking for ideas and participation for next yera
22:05:45 Wesley Fryer: Peggy what do you think of Carpe Diem school in AZ?
22:05:47 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I meant the bell in the google hangout.
22:06:06 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Can I show off my latest project?
22:06:08 Wesley Fryer: @karen maybe we can do a skype interview next month for a podcast about it? Or maybe a Google hangout?
22:06:09 PeggyG: I used to be able to drag the icon bar off the window and find the icon for floating the chat but I can't do that now.
22:06:15 PeggyG: oh sorry Scott
22:06:33 PeggyG: great idea Wes!!! do a podcast with Karen!!
22:06:36 Wesley Fryer: yes, we need to find ways to celebrate sharing and collaboration more in schools
22:06:42 karen (@kfasimpaur): Would love to Wes.
22:06:53 PeggyG: http://labconnections.blogspot.com 
22:06:54 karen (@kfasimpaur): Goodnight all. Thanks for being here.
22:06:57 Andreas Link: thx & bye from Germany :-)
22:07:00 karen (@kfasimpaur): See you again soon.
22:07:05 Wesley Fryer: everyone remember the k-12 online conference started this week! 1st full week is next Monday! k12onlineconference.org
22:07:20 Wesley Fryer: And all k12online content is CC licensed!
22:07:44 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I hope my putting the chat in the hangout was helpful
22:07:47 PeggyG: :-) K12 Online is a great model!!!
22:07:56 PeggyG: it was a huge help Scott!!!! thank you
22:08:04 Paul Allison: That is another great OER space. Thanks for contributing here Wesley.
22:08:32 PeggyG: last week we had two outstanding guests in this chat who were very frustrated because their messages were not being expressed to those on the video
22:08:43 Paul Allison: We need to think about some of these tools (the chat and the livestream blending better perhaps.
22:08:54 Paul Allison: Night all!
22:08:56 PeggyG: yes absolutely Paul!
22:09:07 PeggyG: happy Thanksgiving!!!
22:09:09 PeggyG: good night
22:10:13 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Goodnight