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& Discussion with Student 2.0  Team
December 9, 2007
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Chat Log Below 
12:44:16 dave -> hi alice
18:48:54 Gary -> Hello
18:49:00 JenM -> Hello! Who is Gary?!
18:49:58 Gary -> I am a semi-retired teacher from southern Alberta - often sign in on Sundays to follow what you are doing - I like the show.
18:50:31 JenM -> Oh, hello! I thought you were my teacher, but I'm happy you are here, too!
18:51:04 Gary -> Your teacher - how old do you think I am?
18:51:23 Gary -> Not that you are very old but I teach high school.
18:51:56 Gary -> Ok
18:52:13 Gary -> About Nigeria mostly because I taught there.
18:54:47 dave -> wow...
18:55:35 Gary -> And Dave seems to have a special interest in the use of computers there.
18:56:50 dave -> he certainly does
18:57:21 dave -> I'd very much like to see good educational outreach programs
18:57:38 dave -> sadly (and perhaps necessarily) they are mostly political adventures
18:58:53 Gary -> True but Nigerian students can use any help it can get - being a member of OPEC does not mean that students benefit much.
19:00:38 Gary -> He has the dryer on every week?
19:01:07 Gary -> Frozen here
19:01:59 Gary -> The towells if you hang them up outside. Also the sound comes and goes.
19:04:28 sharonp -> I am excited!
19:05:15 sharonp -> scratchy....
19:05:20 sharonp -> Jen herself sounds great
19:05:29 sharonp -> enthusiastic and the rest....
19:05:37 sharonp -> but her audio is scratchy
19:05:57 sharonp -> I am still excited!
19:06:17 sharonp -> am loving this not 30 second delay
19:06:27 sharonp -> no
19:06:39 sharonp -> scratchy
19:06:44 sharonp -> better.... but....
19:06:53 sroseman -> hi where is the audio today
19:07:02 sharonp -> who are our special guests tonight??
19:07:10 Cathy E -> http://www.edtechtalk.com/studio 
19:07:18 sharonp -> fully fleshed audio.... lol
19:07:39 sharonp -> skype demons tonight?
19:07:44 sroseman -> where is this fully fleshed audio
19:08:51 John -> http://students2oh.org/ 
19:09:43 John -> http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/07/students-20-edublog-pre-launch-help-... 
19:11:25 sharonp -> Are you folks familiar with Taking IT Global? What are the similarities and differences between TIG and students2oh?
19:13:34 John -> sorry, folks. Thanks for bearing with us, here
19:14:03 jutecht -> OK...so today I get in the chat but ustream not streaming.
19:14:07 Cathy E -> http://www.edtechtalk.com/studio 
19:14:09 sharonp -> more compelling audio!
19:14:13 jutecht -> If it's not one thing it's another. :)
19:14:31 sharonp -> ETT folks like to keep us guessing
19:15:15 John -> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071207-farewell-compusa-company-t... 
19:16:55 dave -> http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/year1999.asp 
19:16:59 sharonp -> Jeff = another grave stomper
19:17:18 jeff -> woohoo -shopping party!
19:17:26 sharonp -> sadly, no comp usa in Canada
19:19:05 jutecht -> Sorry guys can't get ustream working
19:19:16 jutecht -> I finally get the chat working and now ustream won't work
19:19:21 JenM -> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&... 
19:19:32 jutecht -> China or school netword?
19:19:42 jutecht -> network?
19:19:45 jeff -> possibly China
19:19:55 jeff -> others getting Ustream OK?
19:20:04 sroseman -> fine thanks
19:20:06 Cathy E -> Isn't it wonderful!
19:20:12 sharonp -> can hear wonderfully
19:20:21 courosa -> Macs never seem to have this issue. :-)
19:20:24 sharonp -> yay for Cathy!
19:20:31 jutecht -> Well there you have it...
19:20:34 sroseman -> clear as a bell
19:20:36 jeff -> http://comingofage.blip.tv/ 
19:20:44 sharonp -> switched from Dell to mac as soon as I was able!
19:21:17 sharonp -> how cool!
19:21:21 John -> http://nouri.sh/ 
19:21:28 phil_g -> Yeah Joyce!
19:21:36 dave -> @courosa fanboy.
19:22:13 jutecht -> Archives play from ustream...but no streaming...did China just block ustream?
19:22:18 courosa -> haha
19:22:22 jutecht -> OK...I"m off to investigate this.....
19:22:29 jutecht -> later all have a great show!
19:22:31 jeff -> jeff - will try to provide alt audio
19:22:41 dave -> http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/721 
19:22:45 courosa -> awwww ... thanks.
19:23:02 jutecht -> Thanks Jeff, but don't worry about it
19:23:04 sharonp -> That post was terrific....
19:23:23 jutecht -> I got to get ustream back in China....found my work for today.
19:23:35 courosa -> good point.
19:23:57 JenM -> http://www.classmarker.com/  ... and ... http://polleverywhere.com/ 
19:25:08 jeff -> http://edublogawards.com/category/blog/ 
19:25:13 jeff -> http://edtechtalk.com/edublogs2007 
19:25:37 JenM -> we hare having major siren action outside of my window ... more ETW excitement!
19:25:49 dave -> russians?
19:26:08 Cathy E -> Are they coming to get you, Jen?
19:26:14 sharonp -> her husband finally phoned her in?
19:26:19 dave -> lol
19:26:25 John -> he wants out of the closet
19:26:26 JenM -> Cathye ... maybe ....
19:26:35 jeff -> 1(641)715-0101 Code: *5518361
19:26:44 John -> http://blog.scottjelias.net/2007/11/presenting_about_presenting.html 
19:26:58 courosa -> yea, this is a great post.
19:27:03 nick -> dave/jeff is there an audio stream? getting nothign from ustream except while I attempt to reconnect
19:27:08 courosa -> very useful
19:27:37 jeff -> hmmm - others still gettign ustream OK? might be clocked in hong kong as well
19:27:59 dave -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7115348.stm 
19:28:00 nick -> ustream over the pacific is alays iffy
19:28:05 Cathy E -> Ustream is great for me
19:28:08 jeff -> Try ETT B Nick
19:28:33 nick -> ok .. will do ... on the page it sats not streaming for both A and B
19:28:43 jeff -> won't show unless you refresh
19:29:05 JenM -> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/feelin-a-little-cocky-grade-your-website/  ... and ... http://www.websitegrader.com/#ReportTop  ... http://del.icio.us/url/fd39f4563826d78327e0d40175066edc?all 
19:29:07 sharonp -> how cool is that? Kids being the first to troubleshoot
19:29:27 guest256 -> kids aren't afraid to play around with things...
19:29:29 dave -> it does also suggest that they break alot though doesn't it sharon
19:30:09 sroseman -> oh my I am dating myself
19:30:13 sroseman -> cool
19:30:37 sharonp -> break? or are the kids using discovery method of learning?
19:30:39 jeff -> http://www.overstream.net/index.php 
19:30:45 Durff -> yea oscar!
19:31:11 dave -> Some of the children have learnt how to fix broken keyboards and remove the screens and batteries. They act as engineers for the whole of the school - fixing friends laptops as and when needs arise. But software and infrastructure problems may be more tricky.
19:31:20 jeff -> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/12/new_warnings_on_unpat... 
19:31:49 Durff -> give 'em time
19:31:52 John -> http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=50758;_hbguid=2fe71...  and http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm 
19:32:19 jeff -> we're on ETT B if you want to try Jeff
19:32:25 Durff -> jutecht - got sound?
19:32:28 jutecht -> Just did...I'm listening now
19:32:32 jutecht -> Thanks guys!
19:32:36 Durff -> yeah!
19:32:46 jutecht -> Thanks Durff for the twit :)
19:32:47 jeff -> about a 60 sec delay, but still fresh
19:33:03 jutecht -> How's the delay on ustream?
19:33:05 Durff -> shhh - it was Jeff's knowledge
19:33:10 dave -> http://www.bostonherald.com/jobfind/news/technology/view.bg?articleid=10... 
19:33:49 jeff -> about 1 sec
19:33:49 jutecht -> Still trying to figure out if ustream.tv is blocked in China
19:34:00 jutecht -> that's great!
19:34:05 dave -> http://blogs.computerworld.com/in_flight_internet_access_starts_next_week 
19:34:19 jeff -> yes, people can heckle real time
19:34:27 jutecht -> if it is....I've got a letter to write.
19:34:29 JenM -> http://www.barcamp.org/EduCamp  ... and ... http://educamp.pbwiki.com/  ... and ... http://www.barcamp.org/EduCampNYC  ... and ... http://www.openplanner.org/ 
19:34:29 sharonp -> I might pay $10 for that!
19:34:36 susant -> ?hehhhhh
19:34:36 nick -> have people seen edocr - flash paper http://edocr.com  can save as pdf .. a bit like slideshare .. only just opened and they have development path
19:34:47 sharonp -> Jen wants to go to barcamp?
19:34:48 Durff -> heckling in real time? oh fun!
19:35:02 sharonp -> Is that like musiccamp?
19:35:04 John -> I did too, until I found out what it really is
19:35:29 phil_g -> Sounds like barista camp
19:35:54 sharonp -> not about making margaritas?
19:36:03 guest256 -> not a very catchy name...
19:36:15 guest256 -> ...for edu stuff
19:36:24 jeff -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcamp 
19:36:56 sharonp -> oh like the original UNconference
19:36:58 jeff -> http://www.xoost.com/ 
19:37:27 jeff -> http://www.whatisthatfile.com/?L=en 
19:37:48 guest256 -> Oh...I LIKE this one. Very useful.
19:38:08 John -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyPAIpXm-nU&NR=1  and http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/12/04/selftuning.guitar.ap/index.html 
19:39:17 SSedro in Singapore -> Bummer. Can't open the USTREAM connection here at work.
19:39:23 guest256 -> so where's the robot to play the self-tuning guitar?
19:39:35 dave -> http://senseable.mit.edu/realtimerome/ 
19:40:09 sroseman -> can you post that robot link again
19:40:30 phil_g -> Interesting- nice if you want to avoid crosds
19:40:36 phil_g -> oops- crowds
19:40:37 guest256 -> They are encouraging people to use it for pedestrians, too.
19:40:41 JenM -> http://wiziq.typepad.com/wiziqcom/2007/12/vc-update---mic.html  ... and ... http://www.wiziq.com/Dashboard.aspx 
19:40:42 guest256 -> Yes...
19:41:17 Durff -> think of all the skills employed in a project of that magnitude! it is education
19:41:43 guest256 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyPAIpXm-nU&NR=1  and http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/12/04/selftuning.guitar.ap/index.html  (copied and pasted from the earlier chat link)
19:41:47 jeff -> http://www.dimdim.com/ 
19:42:50 jeff -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/wikipedia_secret_mailing/ 
19:42:52 nick -> vance stevens used wiziq recently
19:43:22 phil_g -> Oh- is this the story with !! (bang bang?)
19:43:25 JenM -> oh, thanks, nick ... I haven't heard anyone talking about it lately ...
19:43:26 sroseman -> a couple of Tappedin people have been using wiziq
19:43:35 jeff -> http://wikipediareview.com/ 
19:44:06 John -> http://fcit.usf.edu/matrix/index.html 
19:44:12 courosa -> i liked that version though
19:44:23 Durff -> so how do you spell wikiaterati?
19:44:43 phil_g -> Thanks John- this looks really helpful!
19:44:47 susant -> hello all
19:44:52 Durff -> hi
19:45:18 dave -> http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/12/04/virtual.gifts.ap/index.html 
19:45:45 Durff -> hi chris
19:45:53 chris bell -> hi there!
19:46:10 chris bell -> caught the twitter so i thoughg i'd head in and listen while i work
19:46:25 JenM -> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8753/  ... and ... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/344f/  ... and ... http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/957e/ 
19:46:28 Durff -> hey courosa
19:46:31 jeff -> coming up in a few mins. -talking to Students 2.0 Team about social networking from student perspective
19:46:36 courosa -> hey durff
19:46:47 courosa -> got booted
19:47:21 dave -> and for you Jen http://www.80stees.com/products/Little-Miss-Giggles-T-shirt.asp 
19:47:25 John -> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/6388/  and http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/5a8b/ 
19:47:53 Durff -> the 2nd one!
19:48:15 sharonp -> my kids are really into threadless tshirts
19:48:23 guest256 -> threadless t shirts?
19:48:23 Durff -> :)
19:48:44 jeff -> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/04/apple_win32_support/ 
19:48:56 jeff -> http://torrentfreak.com/charity-forced-to-pay-copyright-police-so-kids-c... 
19:48:58 guest256 -> Apple needs that...
19:49:02 chris bell -> nice
19:49:07 courosa -> now why would i want to do that to my apple?
19:49:11 sharonp -> http://www.threadless.com/ 
19:49:12 jeff -> http://www.weblin.com/index.php?room=de3 
19:49:21 jeff -> http://www.mcvuk.com/press-releases/33842/The-social-web-becomes-alive-w... 
19:49:29 dave -> fanboy.
19:49:32 sroseman -> hubby just got an ipod touch in Las Vegas
19:49:37 courosa -> does that mean we can start running M$ viruses on my Mac as well?
19:49:46 courosa -> @dave: teehee
19:49:49 John -> http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/holidays?from=pif_locallink...  and http://snowflakes.lookandfeel.com/ 
19:49:50 chris bell -> lol
19:49:57 jeff -> http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/12/08/top-10-educational-stories-of-2... 
19:50:08 sharonp -> very good stories, Dave!
19:50:19 Durff -> esp how you disagree
19:50:21 sharonp -> you gotta mention the first person who commented!!
19:50:29 courosa -> nice post Dave, i've browsed through this, but haven't had a chance to react.
19:50:35 Durff -> hey arvind
19:50:44 John -> http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/holidays?from=pif_locallink...  and http://snowflakes.lookandfeel.com/ 
19:50:52 Durff -> you survived the cab ride
19:50:55 arvind -> wow. big group tonight
19:51:09 arvind -> Durff I did, but I was scared (not sacred) :)
19:51:19 dave -> but so much better now that youre here arvind
19:51:22 Durff -> mantra time
19:51:25 dave -> did you ever get that video done?
19:51:30 sharonp -> oh boy! I don't need to know if mOntreal is going to have a white Christmas
19:51:47 susant -> no chance of snow here
19:51:48 Cathy E -> North Carolina is soooo green
19:51:49 JenW -> did the real Tom Wood really comment??
19:51:50 sharonp -> I mean, I already know!
19:52:06 courosa -> as long as your sleddogs get fed Dave.
19:52:10 arvind -> thanks Durff!
19:52:12 phil_g -> I love make a flake!
19:52:13 sharonp -> Jen, I have to take some pics of my neighbourhood for you
19:52:24 JenW -> sharon -- I will send you the link on how to upload
19:52:26 phil_g -> I can't cut too straight though.
19:52:26 guest256 -> MUCH cleaner than letting your kids make them in RL
19:52:37 sroseman -> flaky site
19:52:39 sharonp -> @courosa - LOL - trying to imagine sled dogs in PEI
19:52:39 dave -> i live between the dairy queen and the schools... the dogs feed on the slwo children
19:52:43 Durff -> hey 25% chance for white Christmas here
19:52:44 Gary -> Dave is in PEI - snow?
19:52:48 Durff -> yea
19:53:00 sharonp -> woohoo!
19:53:07 arvind -> I miss the snow. I feel like it's not winter yet
19:53:27 Durff -> we had snow already
19:53:28 Gary -> There has been plenty here - want some?
19:53:34 JenW -> I know -- sadness
19:53:41 courosa -> @sharonp: I was laughing at that as I wrote the comment. :-)
19:53:43 Durff -> very generous of you
19:53:47 JenW -> spent 1 hour there today -- making snowflakes
19:54:08 sharonp -> @courosa - oh, I know! You are Canadian!
19:54:12 JenW -> gray allows you to cut -- red you cannot cut -- check the cneter of the scissor
19:54:23 arvind -> Gary please send some over
19:54:24 JenM -> http://www.genfavicon.com/  ... and ... http://designedtoinspire.com/drupal/ 
19:54:25 phil_g -> Thanks for the advice Jen
19:54:36 sharonp -> brrrr.... way too cold here in Montreal today
19:54:37 JenW -> anytime phil_g
19:55:09 arvind -> great icon Jen
19:55:11 Gary -> Arvind - how many kg would you like?
19:55:23 susant -> those favicons also appear in google ig
19:55:32 arvind -> wow, is that how we're measuring? I might have to convert English to metric
19:55:35 susant -> good for branding
19:55:49 sharonp -> great show guys!!
19:55:55 sroseman -> cool show
19:55:56 phil_g -> Thanks all!
19:55:58 JenW -> Students 2.0 tonight???
19:56:02 arvind -> uh oh, ETW has passed 21CL on episodes! Alex, we better get organized
19:56:10 John -> Yes, jen. bringing them in now
19:56:15 Gary -> Sorry Arvind - I am from Canada - converted years ago.
19:56:31 arvind -> ha ha, and we're not even part of the commonwealth!
19:56:36 JenW -> thanks -- was watching FOOTBALL -- if you can believe it -- and went "OHMIGOSH -- I am missing ETT"
19:56:36 arvind -> oh how behind the times we are
19:56:49 sharonp -> hey, Gary, what part of our large country are you from?
19:57:02 sharonp -> simply cannot imagine Jen watching football
19:57:06 Gary -> Sharon, Medicine Hat
19:57:17 jeff -> http://students2oh.org/ 
19:57:18 sharonp -> ahhhh
19:57:24 JenW -> LOL -- sharonp -- I have always watched football
19:57:29 JenW -> just have not made it known
19:57:35 Gary -> Strange name for the others
19:57:42 courosa -> I can't wait to go "first!" on the first student 2.0 comment. :-)
19:58:06 arvind -> Off for dinner all, have a great night
19:58:15 arvind -> or day depending on where you are
19:58:28 John -> http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/07/students-20-edublog-pre-launch-help-... 
19:58:45 John -> thanks, arvind
19:59:15 dave -> 'night all
19:59:20 dave -> heading out :)
19:59:29 courosa -> gnite dave
20:00:41 phil_g -> good night all!
20:01:01 jeff -> any questions for Students 2.0 team?
20:01:21 sharonp -> This group really reminds me of the Taking IT Global social networking service - have the students heard of this organization?
20:01:26 JenM -> Yeah!!! IT IS LIVE!!!
20:01:33 JenM -> YIPPIE!!!!
20:01:37 Durff -> Good aunt sent me a gift for St. Nicholas Day
20:01:43 Kern -> If we have worthy students, can additional students join?
20:01:46 Durff -> oh we need the url
20:01:53 JenM -> http://prod.students2oh.org/ 
20:01:56 JenM -> sorry!
20:01:59 Durff -> thanks
20:02:06 JenW -> PAGE HAS CHANGED -- http://prod.students2oh.org/#who 
20:02:17 Kern -> Too cool! Congrats Arthus and all!!!
20:02:21 JenW -> http://prod.students2oh.org/ 
20:02:28 JenW -> new look -- http://prod.students2oh.org/ 
20:02:46 guest256 -> HOw do you know you are THE FIRST fully student blog in the world. Kind of a large claim, isn't it?
20:02:55 JenW -> why is this: Next Post 4 hours and 58 minutes until our next post and who will post??
20:03:49 JenW -> and yes, also explain about how you are sure you are the FIRST fully student blog..........what about blogmeister accounts??
20:03:52 sharonp -> the first fully student blog?? not sure about that
20:04:04 JenW -> not if Clay is behind it -- he is an adult??
20:04:16 sharonp -> four of my students shared a blog about their trip to Australia last year
20:04:20 Durff -> Lebkuchen! My aunt sent lebkuchen!!
20:04:21 lee -> youthbridges
20:04:28 JenW -> ohhh -- youthbridges -- I like it
20:04:53 ehelfant -> first global talking about their education maybe
20:04:53 lee -> it already exists
20:04:54 lee -> ;
20:05:01 guest256 -> ah...the first post (below Lindsea's) doesn't mention THAT...
20:05:03 sharonp -> taking it global has been around since 2000
20:05:04 lee -> :)
20:05:20 JenM -> :)
20:05:34 sroseman -> who monitors it
20:06:00 John -> Their editorial board of eight students does the monitoring
20:06:27 JenW -> You might want to research that a bit more -- but congrats!!
20:06:50 Durff -> ahhh Schokolade!
20:06:53 JenW -> Why a 5 hour blog posting -- will you rotate??
20:07:18 JenW -> 6 hours or 5??? I can see how this could easily be done since you are global
20:07:24 John -> six hours
20:07:29 Durff -> they better fire me then
20:07:31 John -> They have eight people.
20:07:41 courosa -> Need to get back to marking, gnite all.
20:07:42 JenW -> who is talking??
20:07:45 sharonp -> if you behave ethically, you should not have any worries
20:07:51 John -> I think the every six hours thing is temporary
20:08:05 sharonp -> need to get back to editing ... night all!
20:08:08 John -> good night, alec. Thanks
20:08:09 JenW -> they are all using fake names??
20:08:21 Kern -> hmmmm.
20:08:32 thespian70 -> I know that Arthus does, don't know about the rest.
20:08:44 John -> Arthus is the one who said he is
20:08:46 JenW -> so arthus is not arthus??
20:08:51 Durff -> one of my students found my professional blog merely by doing a search - so obvious it's difficult
20:08:55 Gary -> It will be interesting if our school district filter blocks the site. I will try in the morning. There may be a need for teachers to ask for it to be unblocked.
20:09:01 JenW -> won't we learn his real name at educon 2 or NECC??
20:09:07 Durff -> arvind the UberGeek?
20:09:29 JenW -> and if they are blogging correctly -- why are they worried about college views?? why would this affect them negatively??
20:09:31 lee -> http://youthbridges.net 
20:09:42 thespian70 -> He's listed as Arthus in the presentor section of Educon
20:09:47 JenW -> and I like the NEW look .... :)
20:09:51 Durff -> just your face is enough
20:10:09 Durff -> all minors should use pseudos
20:10:54 JenW -> Will each of you be blogging under the different tags??
20:11:10 thespian70 -> I do't think there's a thing wrong with the kids using pseudonyms
20:11:37 Durff -> i'm enjoying my lebkuchen too much to comment right now
20:11:44 sroseman -> neat concept guys ..way to go ..what do your teachers think
20:11:47 Gary -> Do they want teachers to promote it or do they want us stay away from that - might not be a good idea :)
20:12:08 JenW -> I don't think that there is something wrong with kids using fake names........I am wondering what they might be saying though that would negatively affect college options
20:13:12 Durff -> with present laws in USA they almost have to use pseudos
20:13:40 Durff -> not that they say anything wrong
20:13:43 John -> Jen: I think they just want to share opinions openly without having to worry about future ramifications
20:13:54 Durff -> it's the court system that does
20:14:13 JenM -> Thank you!!! I
20:14:28 Durff -> Denada
20:14:39 JenM -> I have been muted as my husband is watching TV ...
20:14:45 JenW -> do they want the voice of adults on their blog posts??
20:14:49 JenM -> bye!!
20:14:55 sroseman -> Classroom2.0 .. Student2.0 should naturally evolve
20:14:59 Durff -> at least he is out of the closet
20:15:08 Durff -> bye all!
20:15:11 Gary -> Thanks again.
20:16:12 jeff -> Thanks all
20:16:16 JenW -> good night
20:16:23 lee -> jenw
20:16:27 JenW -> lee??
20:16:33 lee -> hi
20:16:37 JenW -> hello!!!
20:17:11 lee -> do u have a link to the post you had so many comments on?
20:17:18 JenW -> yes, let me grab it
20:17:46 JenW -> http://technospud.com/blog/?p=129 
20:17:57 John -> Thanks for putting up with all of the audio issues early on, everyone.
20:18:03 JenW -> no worries
20:18:05 lee -> i never could find it
20:18:11 JenW -> really???
20:18:13 lee -> thanks jen
20:18:16 JenW -> it was 2 weeks agao :)
20:18:18 JenW -> ago
20:18:40 JenW -> david's comment really got it going, I think
20:18:40 lee -> i read about it during that time but i could not go back to where the link was
20:18:43 John -> *gasp* -- Jen has a new theme
20:18:48 JenW -> yes, I am CHRISTMAS
20:18:58 John -> I started twittering after that post
20:19:10 JenW -> really?? good -- I do like Twitter
20:19:14 JenW -> I was just using it incorrectly
20:19:20 JenW -> and got my feelings hurt a bit
20:19:25 JenW -> but that was MY FAULT
20:19:42 John -> I'm still not sure how to use it -- that line between updating people and boring them to tears
20:19:45 lee -> Yes, feelings get downtrodden quite often
20:19:56 JenW -> John -- this is how I am using it now
20:20:02 JenW -> I am limiting myself to 5
20:20:07 JenW -> unless there is SOMETHING I have to say
20:20:18 JenW -> I limit myself to 55 following
20:20:20 John -> 5 per day?
20:20:31 lee -> the power of twitter is one thing....
20:20:33 JenW -> yes, I was doing up to 40 a day
20:20:37 JenW -> ridiculous
20:20:49 John -> Okay. I'm not deep enough yet. I'm doing maybe 5 a week, and only following 8-10
20:20:49 JenW -> and I don't small talk anymore on twitter
20:20:55 JenW -> but I do it in direct messages
20:21:03 John -> do you reply to people? that gets confusing
20:21:04 JenW -> but that is MY ruling
20:21:26 JenW -> I do reply @
20:21:34 JenW -> but use direct message more
20:21:37 John -> Cool. Can I blog about Jen's rules for twitter?
20:21:42 JenW -> OH yes
20:21:48 JenW -> and --- do you know the BIG thing I did??
20:21:53 JenW -> but again -- this is just me
20:21:59 John -> You moved because there's no snow in Corona
20:22:00 JenW -> I blocked TWITTER at my work
20:22:05 JenW -> LOL -- that is right
20:22:08 John -> *blink*
20:22:17 John -> You're the oppresive man, now
20:22:18 JenW -> I had to turn off twitter because it was distracting me
20:22:38 JenW -> but again, that is how I am dealing with Twitter
20:22:40 John -> I can see that, even with skype and rss to some extent
20:22:53 John -> wait -- you blocked it, or you just turned it off for your machine?
20:22:54 JenW -> John -- do you like the new theme??
20:23:07 JenW -> John -- I blocked it -- well, I asked my cohort to block it.
20:23:21 JenW -> I need to learn how to use it in moderation. :)
20:23:23 John -> it's okay
20:23:28 John -> the theme, that is.
20:23:31 JenW -> My name is Jennifer and I am a twiteraholic
20:23:35 John -> Looks good, actually.
20:23:45 John -> I don't like the spam karma footer -- I turn mine off.
20:23:54 JenW -> I need to remove that still
20:24:00 JenW -> am still working with editing the theme
20:24:01 John -> I'd use it if it looked nicer, but I don't think they care anyway since they're no longer developing it
20:24:10 lee -> twitters strength and success lies in knowing how to ask a good question.."What are you doing right now?"
20:24:34 JenW -> smiles -- what are you doing educationally right now??
20:24:42 JenW -> What I want to know -- what I want people to really share
20:24:43 John -> I do like twitter for letting people know about things that are happening right now that they may be interested in.
20:24:49 John -> And for asking quick questions maybe
20:24:55 JenW -> is how they are getting their teachers to use tech........and not just sharing how they use tech
20:25:03 JenW -> I want to see success stories
20:25:11 JenW -> and not just possible ideas
20:25:14 JenW -> does that make sense??
20:25:20 John -> hmm... yes.
20:25:22 lee -> What? You don't care what color socks I'm wearing?
20:25:30 JenW -> OH -- Lee, of course I do
20:25:34 John -> But more about opportunities for connecting
20:25:36 lee -> whew
20:25:42 JenW -> you are part of my 55
20:25:43 JenW -> :)
20:25:44 John -> lee's not wearing socks
20:25:58 John -> See -- that's more pressure, Jen.
20:26:00 lee -> Oh john... don't tell
20:26:06 JenW -> John - you are too
20:26:07 JenW -> :)
20:26:09 John -> Now lee has to feel like she has to live up to her spot on the Jdub 55
20:26:18 JenW -> nope -- no living up
20:26:23 lee -> Indeed.. a wonderful pressure to have
20:26:27 JenW -> :)
20:26:44 John -> See -- jen -- I'm honored, but I don't think I deserve the slot yet
20:26:47 JenW -> I am dwelling on a blog post right now about show me your successes
20:26:50 lee -> i like some pressure.. or tension
20:26:56 lee -> keeps me honest and learning
20:26:57 JenW -> ahhh John -- you deserved it from day 1
20:27:03 John -> Blogging is enough pressure for me.
20:27:06 JenW -> you have encouraged me -- that is important
20:27:14 John -> Wait -- people are reading this now? I have to actually have something to say.
20:27:21 JenW -> LOL
20:27:24 John -> Don't waste people's time -- that's probably rule #1
20:27:33 lee -> Valuing one's own voice
20:27:38 JenW -> honestly #1 -- say it in 140 words
20:27:42 lee -> John's lesson #1
20:27:44 JenW -> not 140 X 10 twits
20:27:53 John -> 140 characters
20:27:56 JenW -> yep
20:28:00 JenW -> 140 characters
20:28:16 John -> Okay. I tweeted it.
20:28:18 JenW -> maybe that is where people have it wrong - they think 140 words :)
20:28:33 John -> I can do 140 characters or 1400 words. I can't do 140 words.
20:28:37 lee -> I hate counting characters
20:28:56 lee -> yahoo does that.. its irritating
20:29:20 lee -> with tweet i just let it cut me off
20:29:37 JenW -> hey arthus - or whoever you are :)
20:29:43 arthus -> hi Jen!
20:29:46 lee -> same feeling when my cell phone loses signal
20:29:48 John -> Again, I'm not in deep enough. I've never had a problem. I think of them in terms of single sentences anyway
20:30:13 John -> Hey, it's the man claiming to be arthus! -- thanks for joining us live for the launch
20:30:21 lee -> Ar u ar(th)u s
20:30:37 JenW -> you know you have given me a challenge now -- to discover your name
20:30:42 arthus -> yes, I am the arthus :)
20:30:50 lee -> but are you?
20:30:58 JenW -> we will never know -- will we
20:30:59 arthus -> yes in deed.
20:31:03 John -> Why? Does it matter? You don't know my real name either, and it doesn't bother you.
20:31:08 JenW -> and what do you mean IF YOU GO TO educon??
20:31:15 JenW -> Oh no -- you are not JOHN??
20:31:23 John -> How would you know?
20:31:23 arthus -> meaning I may decided to reveal it at EduCon
20:31:31 lee -> I am JenW
20:31:36 JenW -> and I am LeeB
20:31:41 John -> I used to give my 8th graders stats about the web.
20:31:53 JenW -> John -- I never thought of that -- you might be Jane Schinker
20:31:54 lee -> on?
20:31:57 John -> The average web user is a 35 year old guy (this was a while ago).
20:32:18 lee -> average now is a 35 year old woman
20:32:21 John -> Then, we discussed the implications for all the 13 year old girls they appear to be talking to on aol