- Length: 60:40 minutes (20.84 MB)
- Format: MP3 Stereo 11kHz 48Kbps (CBR)
The Chat from November 27, 2007 with Konrad Glogowski
Thanks to Cathy Evanoff for streaming the show and thanks to Lisa Parisi for the recording.
20:48:54 JenWagner Hello Simon
20:49:28 Simon Hi Jen, looks like I'm early for class tonight!
20:49:32 JenWagner Grins
20:49:34 JenWagner me too
20:49:36 JenWagner :)
20:50:24 JenWagner Hi CathyE
20:50:56 Cathy e Hey- I think I crashed the front page of edtechtalk
20:51:43 JenWagner grins
20:51:46 JenWagner OH NO
20:51:48 JenWagner :)
20:51:57 JenWagner Hello Carolyn
20:52:08 cfoote HI Jen
20:52:23 JenWagner looks like we are drifting in slowly tonight
20:52:34 JenWagner CathyE -- you are a webcaster right??
20:52:37 Cathy e Tell them to go to edtechtalk.com/chat
20:52:45 JenWagner ahhhhh Okay
20:53:03 Cathy e Yes- can Lisa not get the stream?
20:53:13 JenWagner Yes
20:53:16 JenWagner could you help her out
20:53:48 Cathy e I don't see her in Skype
20:54:35 JenWagner Cathy -- I am talking with her now
20:54:37 JenWagner just a sec
20:54:54 cfoote is the audio on?
20:55:31 JenWagner NOT YET carolyn
20:55:32 JenWagner sorry
20:55:40 JenWagner we are having some TECH issues
20:55:47 fceblog Hello everyone
20:55:49 JenWagner Hi Claudia and Sharon and CathyN
20:55:49 cfoote no problem...I'll be patient..
20:55:59 cfoote Hi Claudia, Hi Sharon, Hi Cathy!
20:56:09 JenWagner Yep -- Carolyn -- it will all work out alright
20:56:11 fceblog Good to be here
20:56:21 CathyN streamlocated where?
20:56:25 sharonbetts hi folks - cheryl is having some issues with ed tech talk
20:56:30 JenWagner No Stream YET
20:56:37 JenWagner we are working on it
20:56:50 CathyN thanks for sending the link
20:57:01 fceblog We'll wait. No problem
20:57:07 JenWagner CathyN -- say Thanks to CathyE -- she suggested I post it
20:57:11 JenWagner soooooo
20:57:11 CathyN purple for me?
20:57:16 JenWagner how was everyone's week??
20:57:24 CathyN cloud nine
20:57:31 JenWagner going green for me
20:57:31 CathyN nominee!!!
20:57:37 JenWagner CATHY __ CONGRATS
20:57:43 cfoote my week has been the pits!
20:57:46 CathyN to you too!!!!!
20:57:46 JenWagner FOR?? EduBLog??
20:57:58 JenWagner sorry Carolyn --
20:58:02 sharonbetts very busy week - at Christa now
20:58:03 JenWagner my week has been BUSY
20:58:07 dea Mine sucks
20:58:09 fceblog Congrats to nominees!
20:58:11 JenWagner Sharon - you are????? How cool is that
20:58:21 sharonbetts I'm good - enjoying the conference.
20:58:23 CathyN @cfoote i have another friend a boxin her lib this week
20:58:32 JenWagner We are having tech difficuluties
20:58:36 JenWagner so thanks for your patience
20:58:40 JenWagner hello Ryan and Collen
20:58:47 cfoote CathyN the project manager just informed me today we might be CLOSED SIX EXTRA months
20:58:52 ColleenK Hi Jen
20:58:58 ryanbretag Hi Jen
20:59:03 ryanbretag Hi Colleen
20:59:05 CathyN oh my how do you function???
20:59:06 JenWagner if JL is Jeff -- you need to call Lisa Parisi -- RIGHT AWAY
20:59:09 sharonbetts cheryl keeps getting fatal errors
20:59:12 ColleenK Hi Ryan!
20:59:19 CathyN yu will have to be a virtual lib in every sense of the word
20:59:19 JenWagner PLEASE
20:59:21 cfoote CathyN exactly--we'd be closed for one year.
20:59:21 JenWagner and THANKS
20:59:27 JenWagner what is a boxin her lib mean??
20:59:27 cfoote instead of one semester.
20:59:37 cfoote We're being renovated.
20:59:38 sharonbetts that sounds nasty
20:59:40 CathyN boxing up the books Jen for a renovation
20:59:42 JenWagner LOL
20:59:55 JenWagner OH -- a friend to help??
20:59:58 JenWagner Welcome Maria
21:00:03 CathyN sore muscles galore
21:00:04 JenWagner and welcome Pam and Cheryl
21:00:11 shoemap Thanks!
21:00:13 CathyN but great oportunity to toss OLD BOOKS
21:00:15 JenWagner we are working to get our SOUND worked out
21:00:17 cfoote We have movers...just wasn't planning on being closed an entire year! kind of changes the plans
21:00:28 cfoote and we only have two weeks to adjust.
21:00:34 CathyN u can sit back and really read the paper now--right?
21:00:36 cfoote nuff of that!
21:00:44 cfoote lol, Cathy, right
21:00:46 JenWagner Hello Karen Jan
21:00:47 sharonbetts where is Jeff - still here in Nashua?
21:00:50 cheryloakes wow2 Hi there. we have Sharon Betts, Alice Barr,Maria Knee, Shelia Adams, Hilary, Kathy M
21:00:53 JenWagner we are working on getting SOUND
21:00:55 cfoote I will be a virtual librarian.
21:00:56 cfoote hi all!
21:00:57 cheryloakes wow2 Jeff is hm, don't know
21:01:04 JenWagner you are all at CHRISTIA??
21:01:07 JenWagner CHRISTA??
21:01:19 CathyN your web presence will be very important @cfoote
21:01:19 sharonbetts Yep - cheryl, alicebarr, maria, and more
21:01:28 shoemap Sounds fun
21:01:36 cheryloakes wow2 We are all at Christa McAulliffe conference
21:01:41 JenWagner we have 3 excellent webcasters trying to fix the issue NOW
21:01:43 cfoote Neat, Cheryl
21:01:55 JenWagner its kinda fun to just chat with you all -- as panic insues behind me
21:02:00 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Steve, you made it home!
21:02:02 cfoote lol, jen
21:02:03 sharonbetts sounds good - at least the chat is fun.
21:02:15 shoemap Can I help? I'm a beginner, but I had it working last night!
21:02:15 JenWagner yep
21:02:19 CathyN the page dtechtalk now works too
21:02:22 shoemap webcasting
21:02:23 JenWagner Pam -- I think they have it
21:02:25 JenWagner but thank you
21:02:28 shoemap good
21:02:29 ColleenK Hi Liz, Hi Karen
21:02:39 sharonbetts just waiting for the stream
21:03:09 lizbdavis Hi everyone
21:03:14 Karen Janowski @colleen we demoed mathplayground in my workshop tonight - they loved it!
21:03:23 CathyN my eyes are itchy again--oh no i'll be swollen and red again tomorrow
21:03:27 ColleenK Really? Thanks!!
21:03:33 CathyN allergies are bad
21:04:03 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Susan, Cathy E, Cathy N, cfoote, Chan, ColeenK, dea fceblog,
21:04:03 sroseman I have demoed Mathplayground at Tappedin
21:04:06 JL audio sounds good
21:04:11 Karen Janowski have to go join Cheryl and Maria
21:04:25 ColleenK Thanks a lot, Sue!
21:04:27 JenWagner Okay
21:04:32 JenWagner about 5 minutes to go
21:04:37 JenWagner Hope that everyone can be patient
21:04:38 cheryloakes wow2 Jen, Karenjan, liz, maria, marie, ryan, sadamsrjh, simon, steve
21:04:42 JenWagner we are passing out popcorn NOW
21:04:44 fceblog CathyN Blink more often.
21:04:46 JenWagner AND WE ARE STREAMING
21:04:51 lizbdavis I can hear you all
21:04:57 cheryloakes wow2 yea,
21:05:17 sroseman Hey guys I had 40 teachers in Tappedin tonight ..simple topic ..Writng Fun ..focus was Writing Fix site
21:05:19 JL With all those girls (or is it women) gathered in Nashua, are there going to be any drinking games involved in tonight's show?
21:05:19 emapey Hi everyone
21:05:33 CathyN yes
21:05:36 cheryloakes wow2 not telling
21:05:36 shoemap Sounds good!
21:05:45 cheryloakes wow2 depends....
21:06:04 cheryloakes wow2 hi Simon, David
21:06:04 cfoote I can hear you all
21:06:10 CathyN what was with the site being down, anyone know?
21:06:14 cfoote Hi Konrad, welcome!
21:06:22 djakes hello Cheryl
21:06:22 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Konrad
21:06:23 fceblog Hi David and Konrad
21:06:23 Konrad Hello all
21:06:37 djakes hello fceblog
21:06:39 Simon Brown Hi, I have no mike or audio
21:06:46 JenWagner We are having Tech issues
21:06:47 fceblog Listening now!
21:06:51 JenWagner but we will be right with you
21:06:57 JenWagner thanks for your patience
21:07:04 CathyN live is so wonderful
21:07:11 sharonbetts got you know - hearing and typing
21:07:13 CathyN we get to hear the experts troubleshoot
21:07:14 fceblog Hi Lisa
21:07:41 CathyN Konrad is LOW
21:07:55 djakes @ryanbretag. Are we set for tomorrow?
21:08:09 sharonbetts nice to have you now
21:08:15 CathyN thank you for geting me the link
21:08:17 cfoote djakes--emailed u about thurs.
21:08:24 djakes ok
21:08:43 ryanbretag @djakes :-) You tell me hahaha... What are your times looking liek?
21:08:46 Ann-NJTechTeacher Hello everyone...happy Tuesday.
21:08:47 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Durff
21:08:54 djakes I have had no contact
21:09:13 CathyN @cfoote is there a googlepres we can lurk on Thurs?
21:09:14 Durff howdy
21:09:27 Durff make it difficult tonight
21:09:30 fceblog Hi Durff
21:09:34 cfoote CathyN No..you could skype in
21:09:40 cfoote I think though.
21:09:41 CathyN hmmm
21:09:42 sendkathy hello all
21:09:44 cfoote it's pretty informal.
21:09:55 Simon Brown how do you skype in?
21:10:04 sroseman that's one year if my math is correct
21:10:05 fceblog Hi Miguel
21:10:05 sharonbetts we are enjoying cheryl big time here
21:10:06 Durff hi miguel
21:10:09 CathyN is there snow there @cheryl
21:10:17 sharonbetts no snow CathyN
21:10:19 ryanbretag @djakes Wow! Bryan knows you are coming though, right?
21:10:28 MGuhlin.net Hola!
21:10:31 sroseman She will be missed
21:10:33 cfoote Hi Miguel!
21:10:38 cfoote hola, como estas :)
21:10:44 sharonbetts can't believe no Vickie
21:10:48 MGuhlin.net Hi Carolyn. Nice to know I've met a celeb like you F2F!!
21:10:53 djakes @ryanbretag-emailed, did not return it
21:10:54 cfoote rflolol, hardly
21:10:59 CathyN @wow2 u need a southern voice as a sub
21:11:00 MGuhlin.net What, Vickie had enough of Jennifer and Cheryl? hehe
21:11:02 cheryloakes wow2 no snow there in NH yet
21:11:03 Durff i like blue
21:11:19 Durff hey it shows blue tonight!
21:11:55 stevesoko NH was fun today!
21:11:56 CathyN meow
21:11:57 cfoote I switched my green
21:11:59 Durff meow!
21:12:06 sharonp Hiya Miguel.... I saw that!
21:12:07 Durff hi cory
21:12:16 lisaparisi Hi everyone
21:12:18 Durff hi arthus
21:12:22 cfoote Hi arthus
21:12:24 Cory Peppler Hey, Durff and everyone!
21:12:24 emapey color color color
21:12:26 Durff heyt parisi
21:12:29 JenWagner http://www.teachingheart.net/readerstheater.htm 
21:12:31 arthus hi all
21:12:33 sharonbetts I love these WOWs - takes me all week to test them out
21:12:45 JenWagner http://smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/podcast/index.html 
21:12:46 CathyN @jen now that is wesome!
21:12:53 CathyN awesome
21:13:07 shoemap Great story, Jen
21:13:07 Janice S That's a great link, Jen
21:13:09 CathyN podcast don't have to be on web--but its nice
21:13:22 arthus :( soooo tired.... really shoulldn't be listening
21:13:30 CathyN had a tchr challenge me about what makes a podcast--subscription or no
21:13:33 sharonp spokentext.com
21:13:47 JenWagner It was a FUN DAY
21:13:51 stevesoko YES! That is all I ask for a podcast. Record something, anything the kids wrote.
21:13:55 Durff that works jen
21:14:03 Janice S Tchr Created Materials will let you use their reader's theater materials for podcasting, if you ask.
21:14:06 JenWagner However, I am bit wary to let them use my iPod!! :)
21:14:13 sharonbetts she is waiting for a call - Cheryl
21:14:14 lizbdavis I have a solution for not having enough time - get less sleep.
21:14:15 Ann-NJTechTeacher That's great and easy for anyone to do.
21:14:19 JenWagner not for the tech -- but I don't want to have it broken
21:14:21 Simon Brown I added Ed Tech Talk to my contacts, and sent a text message - where is it displayed?
21:14:23 sendkathy Really Jen get something cheaper
21:14:32 sroseman Give the kids the lead with technology and they will run with it!
21:14:38 arthus Liz, I do that way too much
21:14:39 Durff on twitter simon?
21:14:45 JenWagner Kathy -- I could do MICs -- but we still are dealing with THE COMPUTER IS ON THE TEACHERS DESK
21:14:47 sroseman especially grade 4 and 5 I have noticed
21:14:52 JenWagner which will change next year
21:14:56 sharonp buzzword.com
21:15:08 sendkathy ahh, that does make it tough
21:15:10 MGuhlin.net Sharon, I didn't include you in that, you notice?
21:15:17 MGuhlin.net ;->
21:15:20 Durff computers do not belong on teachers' desks
21:15:24 emapey color color
21:15:30 JenWagner To everyone that I missed -- WELCOME
21:15:38 JenWagner and please use the FAR left icon to choose your COLOR
21:15:40 cfoote JenWagner We use digital recorders--cheap and easy Olympus ws-100
21:15:57 JenWagner Carolyn -- I have about $50 per classroom right now
21:16:00 ds hey kidz
21:16:03 Ann-NJTechTeacher @cfoote - what is the cost
21:16:09 cfoote about $59.
21:16:09 JenWagner Maybe I could put them all together to buy ONE ipod :)
21:16:13 cheryloakes wow2 My wows are Route21 www.centuryskills.org/route21  and shout out to sharonbets for www.buzka.com  and it has a great teacher resource with winter snowflakes.
21:16:21 JenWagner Carolyn -- Excellent THANK YOU!!!
21:16:25 JenWagner Welcome WalkingGal
21:16:26 CathyN i got $4 headsets w/ mics last year--they work okay w/ computer
21:16:32 cfoote they have built in usb port
21:16:33 Durff i had a kid ask me today how to get a recording off his mp3 onto the computer - like i would know
21:16:34 walkinggal hi:)
21:16:49 arthus well i''m sorry to say I've g2g... :( must sleep
21:16:55 sharonbetts And we are all having fun - here at Christa
21:16:58 Ann-NJTechTeacher @CathyN - does it cut down on background noise in the room?
21:17:01 Durff by arthus
21:17:04 JenWagner congrats Arthus on your Edublog award
21:17:05 Durff sleep well
21:17:06 cheryloakes wow2 www.centuryskills.org/route21 
21:17:08 CathyN its fair
21:17:13 JenWagner nomimnation
21:17:16 sharonbetts @cheryloakes - you are welcome for buzka
21:17:20 arthus Thanks Jen
21:17:24 arthus bye all
21:17:41 ds cya arthus
21:18:16 JenWagner Welcome Sadamsrjh
21:18:48 Durff hi chan
21:18:50 Lisa M Lane sorry I'm late -- reading an article on how constructivism doesn't work :(
21:18:53 sadamsrjh Hi Jen
21:18:56 sharonbetts clapping here for Conrad
21:19:05 JenWagner Welcome Lisa -- didn't see you slip in
21:19:06 Durff why lisa?
21:19:12 sendkathy @Lisa, care to share the article url?
21:19:23 sharonbetts sounds good
21:19:24 Durff hi sarah
21:19:24 cfoote Hi Vinnie!
21:19:29 cfoote Can't wait to hear Konrad!
21:19:31 Lisa M Lane sure, it was linked off Downes blog -- just a sec
21:19:35 Durff hi vinnie
21:19:39 fceblog Loud enough yes
21:19:41 Durff oops
21:19:49 Sarah S Hello!
21:20:01 djakes It takes me two hours to read and digest a Konrad post
21:20:08 Durff hi again vinnie
21:20:15 fceblog @djakes right!
21:20:18 cfoote very thought provoking @djakes
21:20:50 Durff that's because you stop for munchies all the time, isn't it?
21:21:02 JenWagner Here is our WIKI for the week
21:21:02 fceblog @konrad We are all ears.
21:21:04 JenWagner http://womenofwebchats.wikispaces.com/20071127 
21:21:09 JenWagner please feel free to add links and ????
21:21:13 JenWagner thanks so much
21:21:18 Durff hi derrall
21:21:25 CathyN @dmcordell hello
21:21:26 derrallg hi durff
21:21:39 djakes I think that some of the best work is now coming out of Canada, Konrad, Clarence Fisher, Darren Kuropatwa, Sharon, Dean and others.
21:21:53 cheryloakes wow2 Vince, Dave Cormier etc
21:21:54 Janice S I agree @djakes
21:21:58 cfoote @djakes they've also been way ahead in teacher-librarian work.
21:22:00 derrallg yes along with stephens why is that?
21:22:02 Durff i think you have a point djakes
21:22:03 cfoote in Canada, I mean.
21:22:18 cfoote Canada and Australia.
21:22:18 Cory Peppler It's all the snow...
21:22:19 Maria hey there durff
21:22:25 dmcordell Hi, friends!
21:22:32 Durff hi maria
21:22:36 Cory Peppler what else is there to do :p
21:22:42 djakes how much does NCLB and AYP influence our efforts to do similar work?
21:22:44 Durff welcome back chan
21:22:49 JenWagner http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=166 
21:23:01 JenWagner please visit the K12 Online link to Konrad's chat
21:23:01 sharonbetts I find myself often on Canadian sites for research
21:23:10 dmcordell I'm slow and methodical - I'll lumber along with you
21:23:11 Durff djakes - not me at all (private school)
21:23:15 Chan Hi
21:23:19 shoemap @djakes negative influence
21:23:21 djakes @durff. Correct
21:23:33 sharonbetts @djakes NCLB and AYP are very detrimental to progress
21:23:34 sharonp wow, thanks DJakes! I am impressed with my fellow Canadians
21:23:34 djakes @shoemap-absolutely, forcing us in a different direction
21:23:34 Chan messing with skype
21:23:41 Linda Nitsche @djakes I was thinking NCLB impact takes too much attention away from other initiatives also
21:23:50 djakes agreed
21:24:03 cfoote @djakes I'm reading Ken Robinson book...
21:24:11 cfoote has some very powerful things to say about how we measure students
21:24:14 sharonbetts I find myself ignoring NCLB, but my teachers must concentrate on it
21:24:22 djakes Title of book?
21:24:23 Durff he is amazing cfoote
21:24:43 dmcordell hard to hold teachers responsible for students
21:24:53 JenWagner Please remember we have a 30 second delay
21:24:53 cfoote Out of Our Minds: Learning to Be Creative
21:24:57 cheryloakes wow2 sharon, where do we get the most bang for our buck, preparing kids for tests or preparing kids for life? ignore away
21:24:59 Lisa M Lane paper by Kirschner saying constructivism doesn't work: http://www.cogtech.usc.edu/publications/kirschner_Sweller_Clark.pdf 
21:25:03 JenWagner but feel free to add your ??? for Konrad
21:25:04 sharonbetts and hard to motivate students to test
21:25:10 lizbdavis Ironically in a system where students are doing really well on state tests - teachers are not as interested in innovation.
21:25:16 sharonp love Kirschener
21:25:18 sharonbetts @lisa - thanks for the link
21:25:20 Ann-NJTechTeacher It's a big benefit to work in a private school
21:25:23 Linda Nitsche This week is benchmark testing take two- too much time given to testing if we are ready for the state test
21:25:24 sendkathy Thanks @Lisa!
21:25:26 sharonp he has great stuff
21:25:28 fceblog @konrad most definitely
21:25:33 cfoote @lizbdavis true for my campus too.
21:25:37 Lisa M Lane it's pretty depressing -- Downes hates it
21:25:41 dmcordell what about preparing kids for business - that's the focus for most initiatives
21:25:57 JenWagner Welcome Smeech
21:26:02 sharonbetts @dmcordell - most large businesses are now using wikis and interactive sites
21:26:09 smeech Evening ... thanks
21:26:18 dmcordell not @ our school, though
21:26:27 dmcordell filters are crippling us
21:26:29 sharonbetts My son (IBM employee) works in a group that is around the world - all online
21:26:30 Lisa M Lane going blue
21:26:31 sendkathy @Lisa, still I like to see all sides as much as possible
21:26:41 lizbdavis Many elite colleges are not using web 2.0 tools
21:26:48 sharonbetts we have really opened up our filters - no problems yet (mid-Maine)
21:26:54 JenWagner Thank you for using the @ sign and also COLORS!!! Makes it so easy to keep track of conversations!!
21:27:05 dmcordell teacher prep is sadly lacking in 2.0 tools
21:27:09 derrallg @dmcordell my district does'nt use the tools to know to filter
21:27:11 Lisa M Lane @sendkathy: me too, and was reassured that I always seem to need to guide more than I'd like
21:27:41 sendkathy @Lisa, it's just async collaboration, right?
21:27:43 cfoote I'm glad he's doing research on blogging.
21:27:45 dmcordell no email for our students, sad disability
21:27:50 cfoote be good to have some data about it.
21:27:56 sharonbetts @dmcordell - how do we motivate teacher prep schools?
21:28:00 Janice S one teacher prep univ. in our area thing Web 2.0 will go away. That it's a trend.
21:28:07 Lisa M Lane @sendkathy -- ?
21:28:13 cfoote lolol, konrad
21:28:14 dmcordell got to be mandates, otherwise they won't play
21:28:18 djakes That's the question, what is the balance between school related posts and personal posts in student blogging?
21:28:35 dmcordell my posts blend both
21:28:41 sharonbetts @dmcordell - but who mandates a paradigm change
21:28:42 Lisa M Lane to many students, personal and school related are inextricably mixed
21:28:53 sendkathy @Lisa, what I mean is that when I read I feel like I'm collaborating by asking the author to share their opinion ..confused? I'm weird.
21:28:59 djakes I'm talking about student blogs, and the relative numbers of types of posts
21:29:04 derrallg @djakes if its behind a walled garden it doesn't matter which i've always had at elementary level
21:29:05 dmcordell wish my kids could blog - everything blocked
21:29:05 cfoote @lisamlane that's true.
21:29:08 sharonbetts @djakes I think students need to include some items that relate directly to their lives
21:29:18 Lisa M Lane @sendkathy -- I like that idea!
21:29:21 cfoote sad to hear @dmcordell
21:29:32 sharonbetts next year we are going to allow any student to blog that can get a teacher mento
21:29:37 dmcordell working on change not easy
21:29:37 cfoote we convinced our district to unblock edublogs since all are educational
21:29:39 sendkathy @Lisa, so I'm not crazy?!
21:29:40 lizbdavis I met with a teacher who is trying to get her journalism students to use wiki discussions to reflect on different topics and she can't get them to buy in.
21:29:43 djakes @sharonbetts. I agree, I think that student blogs should have personal aspects and school-related posts
21:29:45 Lisa M Lane I set up a Facebook account last night, and I was bored doing it
21:29:46 Chan 21classes is not blocked in our district
21:29:55 Lisa M Lane @sendkathy -- nope, it's cool
21:30:02 dmcordell kids are more conservative than I expected
21:30:10 sharonbetts @Chan 21 classes is what we are using - district wide
21:30:11 derrallg @lisa m lane give it time i'm seeing a lot of newbies
21:30:12 ehelfant we use a word press mu and some of them make a personal category and do blog, they have class categories for school work
21:30:27 ehelfant most are timid personal bloggers
21:30:28 djakes @dmcordell. Correct, its different, and they are not all the digital natives Prensky claims them to be
21:30:29 sendkathy @Lisa, friend me I only have 9 friend in FB and my kids laugh at me! sendkathy
21:30:30 shoemap @Chan does 21 classes require email to sign up?
21:30:37 dmcordell got permission for 21 classes IT can't figure how to unblock it!
21:30:42 lizbdavis I was talking to her abut getting involved with youth voices
21:30:43 Lisa M Lane @derrallg there was no one from my work and it kept making me join the San Diego network
21:30:56 Chan It needs an e-mail
21:30:58 sharonbetts @shoemap - no email needed for the paid server 21 classes
21:30:59 Lisa M Lane @sendkathy -- ok -- what are you called in Facebook?
21:31:08 JenWagner DMcordell -- tell them to add it to their filters YES list.
21:31:11 derrallg @ lisa m :(
21:31:13 Chan I'm using the free one
21:31:20 dmcordell How can a 60 yr. old be ahead of the new teachers & kids! Sad.
21:31:23 cfoote Hi julie
21:31:38 firstname.lastname@example.org  Hello!
21:31:41 JenWagner actually DMCordell -- that is a bit exciting -- to be the pioneer!!!
21:31:41 sharonbetts @Chan started wtih a free one and moved to the paid for better administration - not control, but administration
21:31:44 JenWagner Welcome Julie!!
21:31:47 cfoote in texas?
21:31:51 Lisa M Lane @dmcordell -- 60 yr olds should *always* be ahead of the young!
21:31:55 djakes what age kids is Konrad talking about?
21:31:59 dmcordell I have to live forever to get to everything1
21:32:00 JenWagner I shall ask
21:32:03 cfoote He works with 8th grade I think?
21:32:05 email@example.com  In texas!
21:32:09 sharonbetts @dmcordell- 60 year olds can be way ahead of those young whipper snappers
21:32:12 dmcordell I'm K-12
21:32:13 cfoote me too, Julie
21:32:17 derrallg @shoemap dennis should be here to see
21:32:27 firstname.lastname@example.org  Where are you from?
21:32:32 sharonbetts k-12 here too
21:32:34 dmcordell @sharonbetts you'd better believe it!
21:32:45 djakes I'm also wondering about the level of participation-did everyone participate and the academic level of the kids-honors, etc.
21:32:46 cfoote Central Texas, Julie
21:32:52 shoemap @derrall YES!
21:33:00 cfoote I like this idea of calling it the "third place"
21:33:06 JenWagner Grins -- when Konrad takes a breath, I will ask DJ :)
21:33:07 dmcordell I teach in rural Fort Ann, NY
21:33:10 cfoote that's why some kids are so different online.
21:33:16 djakes @JenWagner. Thanks
21:33:19 sharonbetts @cfoote so now theres 2nd life and 3rd place
21:33:20 cfoote they have fewer constraints
21:33:28 cfoote lol, sharon
21:33:33 JenWagner elementary - in ONtario - grade 7 and 8
21:33:35 Cory Peppler 4th dimension??
21:33:37 cfoote who is the person who coined that term?
21:33:47 dmcordell No restraints for Mrs. C.!
21:34:00 djakes @JenWagner. Appreciated
21:34:18 JenWagner be prepared - sharon is ready to ask the question in just about 10 seconds
21:34:25 JenWagner maybe 20 LOL
21:34:28 cfoote I really like his explanation
21:34:34 dmcordell How do you all follow the conversation and respond? My old brain is lagging!
21:34:42 sharonbetts I have thought that you can make nearly any web 2.0 to have educational uses - it is a game I play - give me a tool and find a use.
21:34:45 email@example.com  Is this David Jakes?
21:34:50 cfoote as a former English teacher--we did have students journal, not on academic topics, but just for fluency
21:34:58 derrallg @dmcordell back and forth for me
21:35:00 cfoote so it's the same concept
21:35:04 djakes yes it is David Jakes
21:35:08 cfoote but trying to create more of a community space for it.
21:35:09 sharonbetts @dmcordell - I am exhausted after and hour or so of this - also watching twitter
21:35:09 JenWagner Hello Gail -- Welcome!!
21:35:13 JenWagner and welcome back Ann
21:35:20 glovely thanks, Jen
21:35:21 JenWagner I promise -- sharon is going to ask
21:35:24 cfoote Hi Ann!
21:35:26 firstname.lastname@example.org  I follow you in twitter.
21:35:30 dmcordell I feel like an elephant among gazelles
21:35:34 sharonbetts I have setup a Ning site and am tring to get international classes to participate - have had no luck
21:35:41 Ann-NJTechTeacher Hi - Tryig to figure out buffering problems.
21:35:47 Maria WOW fans from NH http://www.flickr.com/photos/86297125@N00/sets/72157603314263720/ 
21:35:50 JenWagner Here you go -- the answer to the question
21:36:02 djakes @julie-turner. Thank you! (I think)
21:36:03 Linda Nitsche @sharonbetts what's the project and for what level?
21:36:17 JenWagner any other questions --- please post them HERE!!!
21:36:17 dmcordell I have answers - not sure about the questions
21:36:21 email@example.com  you bet!
21:36:37 firstname.lastname@example.org  gotta go now -
21:36:47 JenWagner thanks JULIE
21:36:52 JenWagner hope to see you again
21:36:56 fceblog @konrad So students had a first presence online because you introduced them to it. I wonder how students would create community if they already belong to a third place like... myspace or similar.
21:37:07 email@example.com  Yes - next week!
21:37:10 JenWagner Claudia -- I will ask
21:37:19 fceblog @Jen thanks
21:37:29 dmcordell My kids say 70% have accounts. But they're not very tech tool savvy
21:37:29 sharonbetts @Linda Nitsche - students 15-18 cultural exchange and language improvement. I have a Spanish class ready to jump in to learn about other teenagers in an educational way
21:37:32 Janice S Great question Sharon
21:37:37 glovely do you think students see these "spaces" as "spaces" or simply as how they "do stuff"?
21:37:48 sharonbetts @Linda Nitsche - http://TLGplace.ning.com 
21:37:59 JenWagner Welcome back CORY
21:38:00 dmcordell They use them like telephones
21:38:12 Cory Peppler Trying to do to many things...
21:38:15 sharonbetts Hi Gail - I think they see these as "life"
21:38:26 glovely I think they don't even see them...
21:38:27 dmcordell Not much innovation - no bleed into education
21:38:30 stevesoko Great concept - playing school!
21:38:33 Chan I am working with my 1-5th graders creating art wiki pages
21:38:34 Ann-NJTechTeacher @dmcordell - they learn what they need - copy/paste codes to block myspace pictures - but not tech savvy
21:39:08 cheryloakes wow2 chan what is the url for your wiki pages? for art?
21:39:08 glovely I think they are just doing what kids do - communicate and try out actions, personas and that sort of thing, but I have no research
21:39:09 dmcordell Neither are the new teachers, supposedly digital natives
21:39:20 shoemap Where is the blog planning sheet?
21:39:24 JenWagner Claudia -- Konrad has your QUESTION
21:39:38 cfoote like the idea of a long term engagement with ideas.
21:39:46 cfoote making it real. Not schooly as clay burell say
21:39:48 cfoote says
21:39:53 sharonbetts I am also working with 5 groups from around the US and Australia - 5th grades in a wiki - no pressure exchanges just getting started http://classroombraids.wikispaces.com 
21:39:54 dmcordell New teachers, old mentors - not much innovation in my area
21:39:57 firstname.lastname@example.org  Agree I like long term as well - deep learning
21:40:09 JenWagner Claudia -- here comes your question
21:40:15 cfoote sharon, can i share that at workshop thursday?
21:40:18 sharonbetts @livingston long term is the only way - same for professional development
21:40:24 ryanbretag http://www.cogtech.usc.edu/publications/kirschner_Sweller_Clark.pdf  Blog planning sheet
21:40:29 djakes This is rapidly becoming a must listen for any teachers that want kids to blog
21:40:29 Ann-NJTechTeacher @sharonbetts - thank you for the "no pressure" part - we're working slowly and steadily
21:40:31 sharonbetts @cfoote share anything
21:40:34 lizbdavis Some one just posted on Twitter that great SNL episode with Seinfeld as the teacher.
21:40:36 dmcordell RSS is my personal PD
21:40:36 ryanbretag ?
21:40:54 email@example.com  yes, long term, but so much of education is not deep and long term unfortunately
21:40:57 Simon How would I grow a blog with senior students, thinking about university applications and the grades they require to get in, without the marks reward?
21:41:05 sharonbetts @dmcordell - I live wtih RSS - only way to stay up at all
21:41:10 Durff human beings? you mean students are human beings? now that is radical!
21:41:17 sendkathy LOL
21:41:27 dmcordell Are teachers human beings also?
21:41:29 fceblog thanks
21:41:37 JenWagner Simon -- that is a great idea -- I wish I would have had that avenue long ago for university applications and college choices
21:41:54 glovely teachers should BE students... and viceversa, right?
21:41:55 Ann-NJTechTeacher @dmcordell - depends on how tired they are
21:42:09 Linda Nitsche @Simon Find something they are passionate about
21:42:11 dmcordell Some kids will never be bloggers...or writers
21:42:14 Durff we did that long before there were blogs during my grad school days
21:42:18 sharonbetts @Simon nice idea - college apps would go with our portfolio idea
21:42:22 ryanbretag sorry, tinyurl.com/crtap
21:42:37 sharonbetts @dmcordell - the non bloggers may make great podcasters
21:42:40 JenWagner @Gail -- YEP -- you have to be both.........I learn daily from kids!!!
21:42:45 shoemap Amen - opportunity to communicate with others outside class
21:42:51 cfoote @djakes I agree
21:42:52 firstname.lastname@example.org  interesting idea about community - sometimes we do romanticize community as a concept
21:43:01 cheryloakes wow2 yes @ sharonbetts, or some will be the artists!
21:43:13 sharonbetts I am beginning to hate the word "blocked"
21:43:14 dmcordell Right - I'm a visual learner, not auditory...need to understand the difference
21:43:18 derrallg @thanks cheryl for a bit of red/orange
21:43:21 Janice S @shoemap Here's is one place to find the planning sheet. http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=166  (took long - couldn't cut and paste
21:43:29 Sarah S My artists had better be able to write and talk about their art.
21:43:38 shoemap @Janice thx
21:43:40 JenWagner Thanks everyone for your HELP and IDEAS tonight
21:43:45 JenWagner great conversation!!
21:43:52 sharonbetts this is a great chat room - yet again
21:43:59 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Sarah, yes they need to write and talk about their art in reflections, they will with purpose
21:44:04 dmcordell Got to go..see you in Twitter or on my blog
21:44:11 cfoote Bye diane!
21:44:13 fceblog @Konrad. Thank you. I do not mean to include myspace, I agree on creating a new place. I mean, what if they already have codes learnt in those communities. In Argentina, fotolog is the equivalent to myspace.
21:44:14 glovely @Jen thanks for keeping it open and available!
21:44:25 sharonbetts @Sarah - discussing something they are passionate about is usually so much easier.
21:44:27 JenWagner Gail -- I am just pleased as punch that you are here!!
21:44:56 cheryloakes wow2 @ sharon and sarah, that was my point too, they will write when they have purpose
21:44:57 glovely @Jen, this is not usually a time I can be here, but am on the road so no family stuff happening
21:44:59 sharonbetts @Gail - just used some of your references from NECC last year yesterday :D
21:45:02 JenWagner welcome back, ryan -- you were missed!! :)
21:45:05 Sarah S I'm hoping they will break through the technical aspects to the meaning - and that the blogging will help them do that.
21:45:09 sroseman Facebook for teachers..any recommendations for groups to join
21:45:12 glovely @Sharon, gee THANKS!
21:45:18 JenWagner If you don't know Gail -- check out her website at www.gaillovely.com 
21:45:24 djakes who is typing?
21:45:24 JenWagner great resources for K3
21:45:30 djakes LOL
21:45:30 JenWagner sorry
21:45:31 Simon @sroseman Vicki Davis started one for edubloggers
21:45:38 derrallg @sroseman edubloggers
21:45:53 JenWagner sorry for typing -- NOT for K3 resources :)
21:46:05 sroseman will searh for edubloggers
21:46:44 sharonbetts online-social-space - interesting, but the word social sometimes gets negative responses in my district
21:46:46 smeech Facebook people: Did you read article about Teacher union in Ohio warning their members about using Facebook, etc.: http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/11195031.html 
21:46:56 sroseman I am a background extra in films so I had to have a Facebook account to get the announcements
21:46:57 glovely sorry I "bounced"
21:46:58 sharonbetts @smeech I read that
21:47:03 cfoote @sharonbetts I agree--blogging is a more positive term in our district
21:47:09 cfoote than social networking
21:47:15 sroseman I can see the charm of Facebook
21:47:19 JenWagner did he say what he could call BLOGGING -- sorry, I had a coughing fit
21:47:26 sharonp @sharon - I have started using online social spaces as a generic term to get awa from technojargon
21:47:27 email@example.com  too bad about the connotation your district attaches to social but so much of student use of computers is social and we can also read Vygotsky about social
21:47:36 sharonbetts @JenWagner - wish I could send a cough drop
21:47:43 derrallg I've moved from myspace to facebook as a means of understanding my students
21:47:58 JenWagner @Sharonbetts -- thanks so much.
21:48:00 cfoote @livingstonp I don't think it's just my school...
21:48:03 sharonbetts @derrallg - I am also moving to Facebook
21:48:13 glovely i have accounts at both - it helps me keep a little bit uptodate
21:48:14 cfoote I think when people hear "social network" they think Myspace and then you lose them.
21:48:25 firstname.lastname@example.org  what about the facebook and districts saying you can't relate to kids this way - yes, cfoote, I agree not just your district at all
21:48:36 sharonbetts @cfoote - yes, if I use Ning instead, it goes over much better
21:48:37 JenWagner we are at 10 more minutes -- any questions for Konrad??
21:48:50 cfoote @sharonbetts Or if I just say blogging
21:48:52 sharonbetts wow - only 10 minutes can't be.
21:48:53 djakes How many of you want your kid to be in Konrad's class?
21:48:55 fceblog @Konrad Has any of your students continued blogging on their own blog after the course?
21:48:58 cfoote they are okay with that..there is a supreme court blog, after all ;)
21:49:01 Lisa M Lane name at FB is "edublogs" -- thanks for posting that!
21:49:04 derrallg I started facebook because of a 4th grader that I didn't think his parents were monitoring him
21:49:05 JenWagner I put the silencer on my keyboard -- is it better??
21:49:10 glovely @sharon, does it work because they don't know what ning is?
21:49:12 lisaparisi just got timed out due to inaction!
21:49:12 JenWagner :)
21:49:17 sharonbetts @fcblog Hand is up - wish I was much much younger and had teachers like him
21:49:29 cfoote I wonder if any students are reluctant to participate? in his classes?
21:49:44 lizbdavis I started a ning network for my faculty
21:49:47 cfoote yes, Jen
21:49:50 sharonbetts @glovely - no, they understand forums, journals, etc. - they just have such a "fear" of Facebook and Myspace
21:49:53 JenWagner Thanks Carolyn
21:49:56 Lisa M Lane looks like all spanish-speakers at "edublogs" in FB
21:50:08 Sarah S @liz - did your faculty join the ning and participate?
21:50:24 glovely @sharon, that's good - some places just fear "social" and want "school business" only
21:50:30 cheryloakes wow2 Liz did you join the ning as a group?
21:50:31 Cory Peppler @lizbdavis Are your teachers req'd to join? Any resistance?
21:50:36 lizbdavis 40 teachers have joined, but they aren't really using it
21:50:39 glovely they don't understand learning IS social
21:50:50 sendkathy What is the difference between a FB account and attending a big party in your school community? Either way you have to be socially responsible.
21:50:51 lizbdavis Faculty of about 140
21:51:04 sharonbetts @Sarah - we use Moodle for all our Professional Development - then I embed other stuff - they don't fear Moodle
21:51:07 lizbdavis I keep trying
21:51:08 email@example.com  4 Konrad what would you have preservice teachers read or learn about to help them become more connected with students when they have their first teaching job
21:51:14 glovely does anyone know the statistics on the percentage of blogs which are "inactive"?
21:51:17 fceblog Lovely
21:51:25 Janice S How do you find the time? is a question for everything these days
21:51:30 Lisa M Lane @sharonbetts -- mine fear Moodle
21:51:33 JenWagner what is inactive??
21:51:37 Sarah S @Sharon - I tried a wiki for a committee, but no dice.
21:51:43 lizbdavis @Janice Yes I hate that question
21:51:46 lisaparisi i wasn't typing
21:51:56 glovely I heard someone say that 96% of blogs have no new posts in last 90 days
21:51:58 sharonbetts @Lisa is there anyway I could invite some to join one of my classes in Moodle to see it in action?
21:52:01 lizbdavis I tell them to get less sleep - they don't think it funny
21:52:04 JenWagner sometimes people go for weeks between posts -- is that inactive??
21:52:13 JenWagner just wondering -- not challenging
21:52:20 ehelfant we set up a ning for the entire student body to do summer reading reflections on.. that went well.. and showed faculty what a social network was..advisors had to read kids reflections and comment
21:52:22 Lisa M Lane @sharonbetts -- I have done this, created a content-only class and let them join
21:52:27 sendkathy Ning bugs me because I would like to join many communities and have only one profile. Why do I have to create a new page each time?
21:52:31 glovely not sure, was hoping one of you would know the "stat" and where it came from
21:52:34 sroseman I am looking for some of Gail Lovely recent handouts ..someone just mentioned her
21:52:38 sharonbetts @JenWagner - I don't think there is a time for inactive -
21:52:44 JenWagner Sue -- you should have GAIL on your show
21:52:49 derrallg @sendkathy I've found that annoying too
21:52:51 sharonbetts @sendkathy - I also hate that making a new profile everytime
21:52:51 lizbdavis I started several now inactive blogs before I found a way to be active
21:52:52 Linda Nitsche I tried a wiki for group planning and a member called foul- felt parents could find us and learn what we were doing - IMAGINE:D
21:52:58 cfoote great question about why we are assigning boring papers
21:52:59 glovely @sroseman I am here
21:53:18 sroseman Thanks Jen...good possibility
21:53:26 djakes @cfoote. Because thats what we've always done.
21:53:26 sendkathy If we could just have onbe page I think it would be great. I would love it, but then...it would be like FB.
21:53:27 sroseman oh hi Gail
21:53:45 glovely Hi
21:53:52 cfoote good--wanted to hear about the students and how eager they were
21:53:58 sroseman @Gail ..i have referenced your sites at tappedin
21:54:06 sharonbetts @Linda Nitsche - I had a board member complain because another parent could see a picture his 2nd grader drew in class posted on the web(without a name)
21:54:08 glovely gee, thanks
21:54:10 JenWagner Gail -- Sue hosts a K3 class at Tapped In.org
21:54:11 derrallg @sendkathy except that fb has more trivial info compared to ning
21:54:11 cfoote @djakes plus it is easier
21:54:16 ehelfant @djakes still laughing about your twitter post on 1974 assignment
21:54:18 lizbdavis It would be nice if you had the option on ning to share a certain page with other networks
21:54:21 djakes its about developing a climate and culture of expectation
21:54:26 sharonbetts TappedIn - there is somewhere that I have stopped visiting
21:54:28 cfoote @ehelfant same here
21:54:29 JenWagner @ehelfant -- that made me laugh too
21:54:41 sendkathy true, about FB, so ning would surpass the FB, at least for adults
21:54:42 smeech @ehelfant I agree... @djakes twitter post was perfect timing!
21:54:44 Lisa M Lane I can't visit everywhere, have a profile everywhere, do every-Ning
21:54:45 djakes @ehlfant. Shareski just asked me if that was real
21:54:48 cfoote @djakes could do whole workshops on writing good research topics
21:54:50 djakes Unfortunately, it was
21:54:51 cheryloakes wow2 @david, didn't make me laugh, just remined me of school, HS
21:54:51 sroseman @glovely tappedin.org ..take a look at rhe calendar
21:54:55 cfoote for teachers
21:54:56 sendkathy my own teens can't see beyond FB
21:55:06 ehelfant my middle school tech person talks about the smell of learning with sharpies
21:55:10 lisaparisi audience comment from my class...we wanted to record their shares to the class..they said they wanted to prepare, not just have me hit record...we asked why and they said if more than just the class was listening, then theyneeded to work harder...not mess up, etc.
21:55:10 glovely @sroseman will do!
21:55:11 sharonbetts @Lisa M Lane - me too - I have pages of passwords
21:55:22 sendkathy @Lisa, love it! every-NING!
21:55:50 Durff wow parisi
21:55:51 Lisa M Lane I blog, I tweet, I ning, I moodle, therefore I am
21:55:58 ryanbretag @glovely take a look at the last question http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-1113blogsnov13,0,60... 
21:56:01 Durff growing up before your eyes
21:56:10 sharonbetts @Lisa - sound good
21:56:12 Cory Peppler @lisamlane A great t-shirt idea!
21:56:25 sharonbetts @Cory - fund raiser
21:56:25 Lisa M Lane @Cory -- oooh, marketing
21:56:32 cfoote empowering students to lead their own conversations
21:56:35 sendkathy @Lisa, my my a regular phiblog-sopher
21:56:37 cheryloakes wow2 the show will be posted with chat and podcast a little later this week, by Sunday
21:56:41 cfoote dethroning us--great term.
21:56:47 ryanbretag @glovely not sure I buy it but found it interesting
21:56:59 CathyN sorry-got skyped on the side by Mom--will have to listen to podcast to catch up
21:57:11 cfoote I bet when they do get to a "research project" they have so much more depth of ideas in Konrad's class.
21:57:15 sendkathy Mom comes first
21:57:23 CathyN yes
21:57:23 sharonbetts @CathyN - I have trouble remembering to go back to the podcast
21:57:42 cheryloakes wow2 podcasts will be there for you whenever.
21:57:54 sharonbetts Extending classroom conversations is one of the biggest pluses
21:58:01 CathyN @sharonbetts its the only way to really digest this show! LOL
21:58:02 Cory Peppler @cathyn What, can't you multi-task?:p
21:58:16 glovely gee a skype just knocked me off the site. - is that "typical"?
21:58:17 CathyN @cory not very well just watch my typos
21:58:22 sharonbetts I have a teacher that starts each class with a podcast or blog post from him to get them started (middle school science)
21:58:25 sendkathy Konrad, we have to show the kids that we read, we write and we think it's important!
21:58:28 cheryloakes wow2 you are right@cathyn, i usually listen to this 3 or more times while editing, just to get it
21:58:43 VinnieVrotny it has been great to listen and half watch tonight. Catching up on emails for the day
21:58:58 cheryloakes wow2 @ sharon, very cool, does he use the one minute science podcast?
21:58:59 sroseman we should write when the kids write
21:59:01 firstname.lastname@example.org  like the participatory presence as a reader - fan fics sites very readerly supportive example outside of education
21:59:04 JenWagner @Glovely -- not typically -- but tonight ETT is a bit touchy
21:59:08 shoemap @sharonbetts love that
21:59:26 sharonbetts @cheryloakes no he makes his own - BTW something interesting about chatting here when you are sitting across the room
21:59:40 Lisa M Lane I think we have to show each other that we read, too, for prof development
21:59:43 cheryloakes wow2 yes, very, just like passing notes in class
22:00:06 sendkathy In my grad classes I never once read anything written by my professors except for comments on my papers. I want to know how they think. I want them to be 'out there' and open to criticism.
22:00:16 sharonbetts @Lisa M yes and that is why I do all my Prof. dev using the tools that I hope they move to their classes
22:00:25 Lisa M Lane I have a history blog for my students but few students read it.
22:00:26 sroseman @glovely are you doing any workshops in Ontario, Canada
22:00:32 sendkathy How many teachers go out on a limb the way they expect students to do?
22:00:36 djakes how would that play in an American school?
22:00:39 sharonbetts @sendkathy - I only read the books they wrote and forced us to buy
22:00:40 cfoote love these ideas. Exactly @sendkathy
22:00:41 Lisa M Lane @sharonbetts do you blog about it?
22:00:46 smeech @cheryloakes and @sharonbetts Imagine a typical teacher letting this much side chat go on while they were presenting to a class
22:00:48 glovely @sroseman, no, but I would like to!
22:00:58 cheryloakes wow2 sendkathy, this group is way out on a limb, but minority
22:00:58 cfoote I ditzed out just now...wish i'd heard all of that clearly.
22:00:59 email@example.com  sendkathy good point about going out on a limb
22:01:15 cfoote writing as a social artifact, great point.
22:01:23 cfoote Wish I was taking notes. Do you all log the chat?
22:01:27 sharonbetts @Lisa - now that is a good idea - I usually just blog shared and techie things. I do have a Tech Teacher of the Quarter award - for the leaders
22:01:31 glovely taking risks is something we ask students to do, but many teachers are not willing to do
22:01:33 JenWagner CFoote -- yes we always grab the chat
22:01:44 Sarah S what's the best tool to have a backchannel chat going on during a class presentation so you can record it? say, in a hs classroom.
22:01:49 cheryloakes wow2 @smeech, I think it would be very disconcerting for a regular teacher, or they would not notice, as in class when the notes went around???
22:01:55 sharonbetts @glovely I think I take daily risks or I don't feel it was a good day
22:01:58 sendkathy Really, we expect students to take risks and to grow but we seldom do the same. Modeling.
22:02:05 firstname.lastname@example.org  So often students don't see us learning and engaging in the struggle and process of learning
22:02:14 sharonbetts @Sarah S I use meebo
22:02:21 djakes @sendkathy. Absolutely.
22:02:23 cheryloakes wow2 cfoote, the chat is posted at edtechtalk.com/womenofweb2 in a few days, the whole show is archived
22:02:23 cfoote @sendkathy Exactly...we expect them to do all sorts of things we'd complain about, like do art one hour and then suddenly do history the next
22:02:29 Sarah S @sharon Thanks!
22:02:36 cfoote ok, thanks cheryl. I knew podcast was, wasn't sure on chat!
22:02:56 ehelfant thanks, this was once again great!
22:02:58 sendkathy Wow time flies!
22:02:59 email@example.com  How many of us could deal with 8 periods of 40 minute classes every day once saw Michael Thompson say he shadowed a student and it was brutal
22:03:05 JenWagner @Ehelfant -- thanks so much
22:03:08 glovely I guess I have a "pet peeve" that we refer to these powerful tools as "social" like other thigns are not
22:03:11 Lisa M Lane we're done already???
22:03:13 djakes Bulls 44 Atlanta 36
22:03:14 sendkathy @livingston, so true
22:03:16 sharonbetts I love chatting and social-networking with educators around the globe
22:03:19 CathyN Of topic--my sister just commented on my blog LOL
22:03:32 smeech @djakes won't last
22:03:44 djakes @smeech. You are so right
22:03:48 fceblog @konrad You're amazing.
22:03:53 stevesoko Thank you WoWs & Konrad!
22:03:56 cheryloakes wow2 @djakes, wow2 35+ TV zero
22:03:58 CathyN celtics are the new team to beat
22:04:00 sharonbetts Some WOW, we should get everyones blogs, ning sites, wikis in a big list (do I read WIKI)
22:04:12 JenWagner and suddenly the conversation SHIFTS?? LOL
22:04:18 cfoote lol..
22:04:19 CathyN lol
22:04:21 sharonp firstname.lastname@example.org  is Konrad's email address
22:04:26 glovely attention span of 40 minutes?
22:04:29 EvanS is it baseball season yet?
22:04:31 Lisa M Lane yes, let's -- so I can stop opening six million tabs every Tuesday! A list of all our blogs, please?
22:04:31 cheryloakes wow2 yes, @sharonbetts, it is possibly on the womenofweb wiki
22:04:35 sharonbetts happens every week
22:04:36 JenWagner Gail -- I think so
22:04:42 cfoote i scrolled up to grab some notes from earlier in the chat to remind myself...for a workshop I'm doing thursday but chat doesn't scroll that far!
22:04:43 JenWagner so sad when we are competing with sports...........LOL
22:04:44 fceblog I like the way Konrad sees research paths as he learns.
22:04:48 sadamsrjh will someone sign my pd paper or this session?
22:04:49 cfoote hope someone can be my brain later ;)
22:04:51 CathyN time for mine
22:04:53 Durff Amen!
22:04:53 sendkathy What about a combined blog feed
22:04:58 email@example.com  The preservice teachers were taught too so they know what they saw
22:05:02 Durff We talk too much!!
22:05:03 Linda Nitsche Asking great questions with the intention of really listening is powerful
22:05:08 cheryloakes wow2 the chat will be posted in a couple days, not to worry it is all there
22:05:08 sharonbetts @sendkathy - might work
22:05:10 lisaparisi yes we do
22:05:11 firstname.lastname@example.org  And they saw teacher centric models
22:05:12 CathyN http://techntuesday.edublogs.org 
22:05:25 shoemap I tried to find the show by going to www.wow2.com  Don't try that.
22:05:26 sharonbetts how can we listen with all this activity going on - must remember to listen
22:05:27 CathyN oops technotuesday.edublogs.org
22:05:30 Durff I know I can talk up a storm
22:05:34 derrallg @durff yes i'm always apologizing
22:05:37 sroseman @JenWagner..are you going to have Gail Lovely as a guest in the near future?
22:05:38 glovely being respectful is the key - respect for ALL learners as teachers
22:05:44 cfoote i posted recently about the idea of the "beginner's mind"
22:05:44 lisaparisi me too durff...famous for it
22:05:46 Durff i'm sorry (lol)
22:05:46 CathyN listen to the podcast later like me
22:05:51 JenWagner SRoseman -- I would love too -- but she is very very busy
22:05:53 cfoote listening as a beginner and not an expert
22:05:57 cfoote keeping our minds open
22:06:06 JenWagner but I will ask again
22:06:07 Linda Nitsche I use checklists to log student discussions and keep me out of the discussion
22:06:10 cheryloakes wow2 absolutely, keep an open mind
22:06:14 cfoote I think that is a big obstacle for teachers at secondary level
22:06:19 email@example.com  beginner's mind as in zen? I have a book like that DT Suzuki I think
22:06:19 sharonbetts @CathyN - I do , I get the points by listening, the ideas by reading and the enjoyment from all of you
22:06:20 sendkathy @Linda, good plan
22:06:21 CathyN we are just honing our multitaksing skills here
22:06:21 cfoote who consider themselves content experts.
22:06:27 cfoote yes, livingston
22:06:29 Durff only one hole can be open at a time - either your mouth or your mind
22:06:33 lizbdavis Beginners mind is a buhdist term
22:06:39 CathyN @durff LOL
22:06:50 sroseman I wonder how many of us here have a myspace and or facebook account
22:06:52 Linda Nitsche @ Durff That's what I tell the kids
22:06:53 firstname.lastname@example.org  love the idea of beginners mind
22:06:54 sharonbetts readers not evaluators - great
22:06:54 lisaparisi love that durff
22:06:58 cheryloakes wow2 i have one of each
22:07:07 glovely shucks - hate to have this end
22:07:10 cfoote livingston ..here's the link http://futura.edublogs.org/2007/11/23/beginners-mind/ 
22:07:14 sendkathy @durff, the (w)hole is the sum of its parts!
22:07:15 sharonbetts No no don't go away
22:07:19 sroseman me too, Cheryl ..helps me understand
22:07:28 smeech Great stuff WOW as usual and keep up the great work Konrad!
22:07:28 lisaparisi yay colleen
22:07:29 sroseman why students have them
22:07:32 lizbdavis I'm getting one OLPC can't wait
22:07:35 Durff love that kathy!
22:07:37 cheryloakes wow2 it is how I get a hold of high school kids and ask questions
22:07:39 email@example.com  great thanks for the link
22:07:43 CathyN ooooh
22:07:49 glovely can someone resend the link that was shared earlier to me about blog stats?
22:07:51 cheryloakes wow2 alice and I are getting the laptop as well
22:07:52 Linda Nitsche Because kids need to learn to listen to each other too - not to me the teacher
22:07:57 cfoote Welcome! Thanks all...I stayed too long, need to run!
22:08:05 CathyN bye cf
22:08:06 cfoote Great show Konrad--very powerful stuff!
22:08:08 Durff no rumming!
22:08:13 cfoote Thanks wow crew!
22:08:13 Durff running
22:08:16 sharonbetts thanks to Konrad - great show
22:08:19 Cory Peppler 'Nuther great show, WOW! Thanks, Konrad!
22:08:23 sendkathy Fun time!!!
22:08:23 Lisa M Lane thanks all!
22:08:24 Janice S Fantastic show!
22:08:26 Janice S Thanks
22:08:27 lizbdavis Thank you all
22:08:31 glovely thanks everyone!
22:08:35 Linda Nitsche Thanks for a grat WOW!
22:08:38 derrallg thanks for a great conversation
22:08:39 djakes Konrad Rules
22:08:44 JenWagner and now the POST SHOW
22:08:46 Linda Nitsche Thanks Konrad - just great
22:08:48 ryanbretag Thanks Konrad for a VERY insightful discussion
22:08:54 sharonbetts We will take good care of Cheryl
22:08:55 firstname.lastname@example.org  Thanks for this I always enjoy it keep up the Twitter reminders too
22:09:00 djakes will skype you ryan
22:09:03 CathyN and who is the guest hostess next week?
22:09:03 fceblog Thank you Konrad. Your voice was perfect in spite of your tweeted concerns.
22:09:23 shoemap thanks!
22:09:27 Durff clap, clap
22:09:52 Lisa M Lane PM private message
22:10:19 fceblog Konrad speaks of a difficult job and yet, he makes it seem simple. Achievable after all.
22:10:25 derrallg djakes started it
22:10:27 fceblog So clear
22:10:32 Maria ustream http://www.webcastacademy.net/cam/maria 
22:10:44 JenWagner LOL -- always pass the buck, derrallg
22:11:02 JenWagner Ihad to remember what team was the BULLS :)
22:11:09 derrallg @jenwagner :D
22:11:16 JL ustream looks and sounds good maria
22:11:17 JenWagner what team is Atlanta??
22:11:20 JL is that wireless?
22:11:24 EvanS Hawks
22:11:25 derrallg hawks
22:11:29 JenWagner ahhhh - -thank you
22:11:36 JL Yep, JL is jeff
22:11:38 EvanS wc
22:11:39 JenWagner and EvanS -- thanks for the very nice backchat comment
22:11:57 EvanS thank you for doing this. my first one.
22:12:18 JenWagner Thanks Evan -- it is a learning experience each week
22:12:45 JenWagner Thanks everyone for being a part ............you are appreciated!!
22:12:58 derrallg @jenwagner thank you for your blog posts this past week
22:13:13 JenWagner @derrallg -- it was TRULY a team blog post --
22:13:17 JenWagner but thank you!!
22:13:41 JenWagner 50 comments -- great conversations -- weren't they??
22:14:48 derrallg good night great show
22:15:21 fceblog You'll be read, Konrad. No doubt.
22:15:35 Konrad thanks fceblog
22:16:15 Durff ok, falling asleep - nite all!
22:18:48 megormi Amazing how we write about collaboration, but your actual writing is so isolated. Imagine having your social network help!
22:19:33 JenWagner I think we are creating a SECOND SHOW with Konrad
22:20:19 megormi Sorry, is this live?
22:20:23 JenWagner yes
22:20:24 sharonp I could talk to Konrad for HOURS!
22:20:49 megormi cool, this is awesome, so clear, I can't type fast enough!
22:20:50 sharonp Hi Kathy Mals! Nice to see you! we met at NECC!
22:22:00 sroseman I read that incident on his blog!!
22:22:12 CathyN oh so sorry i have to go...cant wait to re-listen to the podcast everyone. See u next week same time
22:22:31 JenWagner thanks CathyN
22:22:36 sharonp Thanks for joining us!
22:23:03 JenWagner this has to be on the conversation SHARON
22:23:11 JenWagner we have to include this postshow
22:23:13 sharonp yes.....
22:23:26 sharonp still being recorded, right??
22:23:29 JenWagner yes
22:23:36 JenWagner they are still listening -- right??
22:23:38 sharonp should be included
22:23:56 megormi Playing school, yes, you are sooooo right focusing on talking about writing instead of writing about an authentic audience!
22:23:56 JenWagner Meg -- can you still hear??
22:24:02 sharonp we are still streaming, right?? Hey chat room....??
22:24:06 JenWagner yet -- we are still streaming
22:24:10 sharonp great
22:24:11 megormi yes I can hear
22:24:12 Cathy e still streamig
22:24:19 megormi yes, very clear
22:26:20 sroseman OISE
22:26:40 sroseman are you presenting at ECOO, Konrad
22:27:59 JenWagner thanks everyone
22:28:06 JenWagner we are closing the stream
22:28:09 JenWagner in about 2 minutes
22:28:17 megormi thanks will join you again!
22:28:29 JenWagner thanks Meg
22:28:38 sroseman goodnight and thanks
22:28:59 megormi thank you all!
22:29:04 JenWagner thanks
22:30:30 Cathy e ok
22:30:40 Cathy e nite all
22:30:51 fceblog Thank you all. I have enjoyed every minute of this show.
23:16:11 dennisar hi djakes. can you tell me where konrad's discussion can be found?
23:16:37 dennisar i'm new to edtechtalk.
23:18:42 dennisar jl, can you answer my question?