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Community Forum @ Edublogosphere Issues, Options, & Norms
April 27, 2007
There have been some heated Edublog postings recently (links below) concerning the virtues and pitfalls of different methods for facilitating community development and discussion within the Edublogospere. This is a 'community forum' discussion that addressed some of these questions:
- How can the edublogging community best help educators keep up with the steady torrent of new educational tools, methods, and resources?
- What are the relative merits of blogging independently vs. being affiliated with a particular social network?
- How do we balance self-promotion and commercial interests with our participation in projects for the common good?
- What, if any, expectations are there for 'professional decorum' in edublogging?
19:52:41 alicemercer -> Can I talk about some barriers here?
19:52:48 alicemercer -> in a NICE way...
19:53:27 alicemercer -> Not user friendly all the time (this chat room)...
19:53:35 alicemercer -> Not the people!!!
19:53:45 alicemercer -> The interface issues
19:54:00 CathyE -> It seems a lot of the communities are private
19:55:38 alicemercer -> Okay, SKYPE is evil!
19:55:41 JoseR -> Hi Everyone
19:55:46 alicemercer -> It crept back up to max volume
19:55:56 jeff -> +99001110020796215
19:56:40 alicemercer -> Miguel may have it on speaker
19:56:43 CathyE -> We are going to have to start a spouse abuse group :0
19:56:45 alicemercer -> with mic
19:57:03 JohnSchinker -> we can use ning for that, right?
19:57:04 alicemercer -> Okay, my dh was teasing me said he was chatting with on old BBS friend.
19:57:08 JoseR -> I am using an older sytem tonight. I had to install skype and using IE oh no!
19:57:21 alicemercer -> They used to meet on a BBS called the other woman, he says you all are the other man
19:57:37 alicemercer -> in other words, shut up
19:57:54 lee baber -> link?
19:58:11 jeff -> +99001110020796215
19:58:15 alicemercer -> skype?
19:58:32 JenMad -> http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=111901745 
19:58:35 alicemercer -> are we doing yugma too?
19:58:46 lee baber -> skypecast..sorry jeff
19:58:53 lee baber -> i am dialing now
19:58:57 JohnSchinker -> Jen -- are you in yugma as wb?
19:59:06 jeff -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=... 
19:59:09 JenMad -> John: yes
20:00:17 JohnSchinker -> I don't think they do a lot of editing on the live shows
20:00:24 JohnSchinker -> like totn
20:00:44 alicemercer -> okay i"m curious, how many NPR listeners?
20:00:52 alicemercer -> Any Pacfica folks?
20:00:53 JohnSchinker -> : raises his hand
20:01:22 JohnSchinker -> Is there anything in particular we want to see in yugma?
20:01:34 arvind -> NPR and recently Pacifica. Deepa Fernandes rocks, saw her speak live the other day
20:02:06 arvind -> hi Jose
20:02:30 alicemercer -> Yeah, and I waylaid Miguel here on Tuesday
20:02:30 JoseR -> I having issues with older dell. My laptop crashed last night
20:04:24 alicemercer -> He was VERY gracious and patient with my poking
20:06:11 alicemercer -> Maybe it's okay without "stars" like Miguel. I mean it's GREAT if they are there, but maybe nonstars need to make contact with each other.
20:06:38 alicemercer -> But the double or triple work is a valid concern.
20:06:38 Durff -> We forgive you, Miguel
20:07:13 alicemercer -> Questioning ning is not a problem, but it needs a discussion.
20:07:18 sharonp -> I miss Dave!
20:07:25 alicemercer -> how do we connect?
20:07:53 arvind -> EdTechTalk loves [i]drama[/i]
20:07:54 alicemercer -> I miss Dave too
20:08:28 alicemercer -> oh this is NOT drama, drama is cuss words, calling people money grubbers DIRECTLY, and saying their momma dressing them funny...
20:08:43 arvind -> :)
20:09:04 alicemercer -> If any of us have been online in forums or bbs, we've seen MUCH worse
20:09:11 Durff -> drama is Sara Burnhart
20:09:36 Durff -> I agree
20:09:49 Durff -> I don't blog there, but IU do converse
20:09:56 Durff -> I can get the RSS
20:10:02 alicemercer -> We're so pretty!
20:10:17 Durff -> I'm not pretty
20:10:27 alicemercer -> that was a great question
20:10:44 alicemercer -> and the kids would have found p*nis pics
20:10:58 Durff -> of course they would
20:11:06 JohnSchinker -> I don't think ning is inherently a bad thing. We need gathering spaces. But how many communities can we support?
20:11:36 alicemercer -> Hmm, I think they are for different things?
20:11:45 Durff -> I like ning
20:11:50 alicemercer -> I get different stuff from you all then I get from ning
20:12:10 alicemercer -> blog maintenance is a problem
20:12:14 JohnSchinker -> alice: how so? Just because they're different people, or is the focus different?
20:12:15 Durff -> concise Alice, be concise
20:12:22 alicemercer -> focus
20:12:28 JoseR -> I didn't get a community feel from classroom 2.0 There wasn't a lot of content to explore
20:12:28 Durff -> ah
20:12:39 alicemercer -> Also, its a real time talk/chat
20:12:43 Matt_ Cronin -> People will flock to the places they find most useful / rewarding
20:12:50 Durff -> the newbies there disagree
20:12:53 JohnSchinker -> is the edtech blogosphere too overwhelming?
20:13:03 alicemercer -> But I see interesting people on ning, that I wouldn't meet
20:13:08 Durff -> for newbies, yes
20:13:31 Durff -> the point is spreading the web2.0
20:13:49 Durff -> yes!!!
20:13:55 JohnSchinker -> yep
20:13:59 Diane -> I agree1
20:14:02 Durff -> yes alice - right on!
20:14:05 JoseR -> I do a lot of reading on rss
20:14:40 JoseR -> Commenting is the beginning of conversation
20:14:42 Matt_ Cronin -> I get a lot out of my rss reader too
20:14:58 alicemercer -> What connections do I want to make?
20:15:18 Durff -> conversation is the beginning of understanding
20:15:25 JoseR -> There you go Arvind!
20:16:07 alicemercer -> Like it was so sweet that Miguel was willing to add me to his feed, but making connections to non-famous ed tech folks is something that also needs to happen for me to be more effective, learn, etc.
20:16:13 Durff -> but you do own your brain
20:16:43 Durff -> isn't that the point?
20:16:57 alicemercer -> Maybe ning makes no sense for Miguel, and David Warlick, etc.
20:16:58 Durff -> that we don't own it?
20:17:09 JoseR -> Ning is just to big! I guess we could use it to work on a project or when we are in a class together.
20:17:33 arvind -> knowlege is meant to be free (quotation from Wikia.com head)
20:17:39 alicemercer -> I know, John, is there enough of us to make it work
20:17:48 Durff -> amen arvind
20:18:17 alicemercer -> And Miguel is is great for you to participate in this.
20:18:18 sharonp -> I think ning is a great entry point for beginners - those who have wanted to blog, see the usefulness in blogging, but are still feeling a bit awkward about it all
20:18:20 Durff -> how will it spread if we don't offer a hand?
20:18:21 JohnSchinker -> Now here I am at this point, and I'm about to add friends. Do I only add the people I know or have heard of?
20:18:32 alicemercer -> I appreciate you doing this.
20:18:41 sharonp -> because I did invite someone along to classroom2.0 for that very reason
20:18:55 Durff -> I look into them....
20:18:59 JoseR -> We choose who we read!
20:19:06 sharonp -> and I wonder if the ning network that has a focal point might have more input and more value
20:19:12 Durff -> better? never
20:19:23 alicemercer -> It's hard for me to find some other folks.
20:19:34 sharonp -> I have been sent invitations to other ning networks that lack the cohesive focal point
20:19:41 alicemercer -> I think the "stars' have made a great effort to share lesser knowns.
20:19:46 Durff -> I always have people asking me things
20:19:48 JoseR -> I base it on who is writing what I am interested in
20:19:50 alicemercer -> No
20:20:07 alicemercer -> but I don't think it's effective all the time.
20:20:15 alicemercer -> Miguel you are being fine
20:20:21 mguhlin -> ok
20:20:32 mguhlin -> pick on me all you want
20:20:37 arvind -> one problem is that if we are educators, and there are great bloggers, how do we ensure that we all get to read the good stuff? individual blogs (like mine) are in random places on the web
20:20:48 JoseR -> The conversation seems to follow certain threads and themes
20:20:50 arvind -> is that good? i guess books are that way, you may never find some of the greats
20:21:03 Durff -> miguel is fun to pick on!
20:21:11 JoseR -> resonate is a good word
20:21:13 sharonp -> I have been accused of blogging for my own ego gratification
20:21:19 sharonp -> that drives me nuts
20:21:19 arvind -> Alice is bringing up the echo chamber problem. An important one to discuss
20:21:22 alicemercer -> No youv'e been very patient through this Miguel
20:21:38 JohnSchinker -> SP: everyone does that to some extent
20:21:40 arvind -> Sharon, I think Blogging is selfish, but again, often beneficial
20:22:06 mguhlin -> I subscribe to "unknown" bloggers
20:22:07 sharonp -> blogging is selfish, yes, because it is my way of becoming a better writer
20:22:45 arvind -> and my blog is all my perspective and is about me putting it out there
20:22:46 JoseR -> If someone writes and interesting post I look to see who they are reading
20:22:55 Durff -> ning is a way to make those connections
20:22:59 arvind -> yes Jose, I trust people who I read
20:23:06 JohnSchinker -> Can I tie this to my blog? Can I use rss to have things I post show up in both places? Can I pull feeds from other people, or from everyone?
20:23:15 Durff -> ah...trust no one!
20:23:21 arvind -> ha ha
20:23:26 sharonp -> yes putting it out there - to share, to make people think - but the fact is, many of us are asking our students to put it out there..... shouldn't we be modelling?
20:23:32 alicemercer -> It's the cable problem
20:23:40 alicemercer -> 67 channels and nothing one
20:23:42 alicemercer -> on
20:24:01 alicemercer -> trying to find what is worthwhile is hard.
20:24:14 arvind -> Bruce Sterling as South by Southwest said, "55,000,000 blogs, some of them must be good. No! Maybe none of them are, we just don't know yet"
20:24:26 arvind -> we don't even know what a good blog is
20:24:35 arvind -> is it about good fonts, good writing, good design...
20:24:46 mguhlin -> A good blog is one that works for the writer and incidentally engages others in conversation
20:24:51 arvind -> he was asking how would an expert analyze a blog
20:24:53 Matt_ Cronin -> a good blog is one that is useful, thoughtful
20:24:56 sharonp -> yes arvind, and relevant for a specific audience
20:25:19 sharonp -> we ask our students to write for audience and with purpose
20:25:21 JohnSchinker -> audience is a big deal. There are so many different edtech audiences
20:25:24 JoseR -> What's up with the ning blog, chatterwall, forums, discussions argh... just too much!
20:25:28 alicemercer -> I don't care if their blog is good, I want to share practice, and experience
20:25:37 JohnSchinker -> I have a hard time defining my audience, and it changes over time
20:25:55 alicemercer -> Jose, Steve did add a box at top left with quick guide to where to post...
20:25:57 JohnSchinker -> Personal learning networks
20:26:20 alicemercer -> I want to get more out of ning, and out of ed tech, and out of my new reader
20:26:24 mguhlin -> commercialization of the Web 2.0
20:26:45 alicemercer -> Yeah john
20:26:47 mguhlin -> is problematic and threatens individual voices
20:26:48 Durff -> bound to happen
20:26:55 JoseR -> The connections I see
20:27:27 alicemercer -> And Miguel and Scott are great, but they aren't in their own classrooms. I like them and love the issues they cover, but I also want to chat with practicing teachers
20:27:41 alicemercer -> Miguel, good point
20:27:53 Durff -> you can at Classroom2
20:28:21 jeff -> http://www.edsupport.cc/mguhlin/archives/2007/04/entry_3116.htm 
20:28:32 alicemercer -> Will r. seems to always disclose...
20:28:37 jeff -> 1. No one can buy my editorial voice or opinion.
20:28:45 jeff -> 2. No one can buy my editorial space; if itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s an ad it will clearly be an ad.
20:28:53 jeff -> 3. No one should be confused about the source of anything on my pages.
20:29:01 jeff -> 4. I will disclose my business relationships whenever it is relevant and possible. ...this isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t about ethics pledges and industry policies. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s about personal integrity, about honesty, about having a direct and open relationship of trust and credibility. You may disagree with my opinions Ã¢â‚¬â€ and, oh, you do Ã¢â‚¬â€ but you should at least be assured that they are mine.
20:29:13 alicemercer -> Didn't like 21 classes.
20:29:23 alicemercer -> Adds for "term papers for sale"
20:29:38 Durff -> where was that alice?
20:29:47 Durff -> on ning?
20:29:50 alicemercer -> 21classes had a nice class blog
20:29:52 alicemercer -> NO
20:30:05 alicemercer -> lots of controls and automatic feeds to teacher/admin
20:30:07 Durff -> had their own ning?
20:30:10 alicemercer -> no
20:30:18 Durff -> I'm lost
20:30:27 alicemercer -> not ning, another commercial based edublog site.
20:30:28 arvind -> how about the question of personal sustainability? how many online spaces can any one person be really committed to?
20:30:31 Durff -> what else is new?
20:30:35 alicemercer -> you could set up class blogs/student blogs
20:30:39 JoseR -> Got to run they are opening the presents at the babyshower. I'll have a listen to podcast!
20:30:47 alicemercer -> night jose
20:30:56 alicemercer -> I loved the "controls" on the blog
20:31:02 Durff -> I thing 1 is enough Arvind
20:31:08 alicemercer -> but hated teh ads
20:31:34 alicemercer -> Not everyone will be able to set up moodle, etc.
20:31:36 Durff -> bye Jose
20:31:44 arvind -> i blog professionally, personally, my department at school's blog; i webcast weekly, I Twitter, I instant message, I e-mail, I SMS...
20:32:05 Durff -> but just 1 personal blog
20:32:17 Durff -> that should be your hub
20:32:28 mguhlin -> If I'm hired as a consultant, I charge for my time, not the content or the presentation.
20:32:29 alicemercer -> I blog professionally, I have a class blog
20:32:39 arvind -> also Flickr, Moodle courses for all my courses...
20:32:40 mguhlin -> Integrity! Great!
20:32:54 Matt_ Cronin -> I hardly blog at all, I enjoy ongoing conversations. Guess I'm a Ning type of guy
20:33:03 JohnSchinker -> Thanks, everyone, for the good discussion. I'm going to bow out at this point.
20:33:09 arvind -> bye John
20:33:16 alicemercer -> night
20:33:17 mguhlin -> The real problem is when we blog to gain notoriety then advertise services that benefit you or your business.
20:33:18 JenMad -> nite john!
20:33:33 arvind -> right, so then how do your blog posts stay honest?
20:33:36 Durff -> night john
20:33:47 alicemercer -> I saw the ads, and I knew they were for his company
20:34:02 Durff -> i didn't see them
20:34:17 mguhlin -> I'd follow Jeff Jarvis' advice...shows up here
20:34:20 sharonp -> I guess I find google ads so ubiquitous that I was not offended
20:34:38 Durff -> I think I just ignore them
20:34:43 Durff -> thank you alice
20:34:49 Durff -> you are great too
20:35:26 mguhlin -> those librarians are prob having a BIG party
20:35:32 jeff -> http://library20.ning.com/ 
20:35:34 Durff -> thank you alice
20:35:40 mguhlin -> :D
20:35:45 JenMad -> :)
20:35:58 Matt_ Cronin -> I think web 2.0 is supposed to be messy
20:36:08 lee baber -> may i be unmuted
20:36:14 JenMad -> we like messy around here :)
20:36:15 mguhlin -> Whatever works, but make it less commercial
20:36:17 Durff -> like that jungle
20:36:27 alicemercer -> I'm muted
20:36:51 Durff -> not in my window
20:36:52 alicemercer -> Miguel, you have been a prince about this, and very open.
20:37:04 Durff -> Miguel is fun!
20:37:06 alicemercer -> We may not agree about ning, but I respect your position
20:37:07 mguhlin -> AliceMercer, you're too kind.
20:37:57 mguhlin -> Ning works? Great. Just be transparent in that you're using this as a way to gather customers for your business.
20:38:03 alicemercer -> No, the thing is that when I started I was trying to start conversation with the "stars" and what I need to do, and need to continue doing, is have as many with everyone, and not elevate. You've convinced me of that.
20:38:20 mguhlin -> Yes!!
20:38:24 alicemercer -> Wasn't there a network on ELGG
20:38:25 mguhlin -> Agree completely, Alice!
20:38:34 mguhlin -> Yes...
20:39:04 Durff -> I do think you should surround yourself with a circle of the wise
20:39:05 mguhlin -> Thanks for articulating that, Lee
20:39:21 lee baber -> your welcome!! :)
20:39:31 alicemercer -> But it is hard miguel to find those folks. I appreciate how the so called stars have really made an effort to share links to the lesser known, so you all can't be faulted.
20:40:05 Durff -> I think a thicker skin would be good
20:40:19 Durff -> and please call me a geek!
20:40:20 alicemercer -> the infamous "geek" reference?
20:40:27 Durff -> yup
20:40:31 alicemercer -> Call me a GEEK anyday.
20:40:39 Durff -> geek
20:40:42 alicemercer -> Context is everything
20:40:48 alicemercer -> You you you geek!
20:41:08 Durff -> of course, you would be an artsy geek
20:41:17 Durff -> thank you!
20:41:21 Durff -> finally!!
20:41:27 Matt_ Cronin -> I think "geek" is now more of a compliment
20:41:56 Matt_ Cronin -> I wear "geekiness" with pride
20:42:26 alicemercer -> NOT FLAT
20:42:29 alicemercer -> NEVER!
20:42:42 alicemercer -> sorry, I was laughing.
20:42:43 Durff -> Flat?
20:42:55 Durff -> ki kathy!
20:43:00 sendkathy -> Hoi!
20:43:05 sendkathy -> Hi Ho!
20:43:07 sendkathy -> lol
20:43:12 alicemercer -> I was laughing at the idea of a flat school disctict not Miguel
20:43:13 Durff -> hoi poloi?
20:43:26 sendkathy -> exactly
20:43:27 Durff -> wrinkled, not flat
20:43:29 jeff -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=... 
20:43:34 sendkathy -> like you saud
20:43:46 jeff -> +99001110020796215
20:44:01 Durff -> maybe Dembo should be here to speak for himself?
20:44:55 Durff -> let's all email him now
20:44:56 alicemercer -> I think it's clear where Dembo is from, and he is pretty free about saying his preferences, and his employers
20:45:09 alicemercer -> I didn't think he talked about dembo there?
20:45:23 alicemercer -> Miguel, I've got a question....
20:45:27 Durff -> I think it was clear that he did
20:45:44 mguhlin -> question?
20:45:49 mguhlin -> I wasn't talking about Dembo
20:46:05 Durff -> my bad
20:46:18 Durff -> oh dear
20:47:42 sendkathy -> brb
20:48:03 JenMad -> :)
20:48:04 alicemercer -> Oh I'm special
20:48:16 alicemercer -> :D :D
20:48:17 Durff -> oh you star, Moguel
20:48:24 JenMad -> good one lol :p
20:48:28 Durff -> Muguul
20:48:31 Durff -> Miggurl
20:48:37 alicemercer -> This is a great place becasue of the skypecast and makes it stand out as a social network.
20:48:37 Durff -> oh the spelling
20:49:03 Durff -> it is a community
20:49:16 sroseman -> there has to be a niche
20:49:30 mguhlin -> I'm not sure we're fit to walk on sacred library2.ning.com ground
20:49:32 mguhlin -> ;->
20:49:37 JenMad -> :)
20:49:40 JenMad -> too funny
20:49:47 JenMad -> I'm sorry, too.
20:50:01 Durff -> STOP APOLOGIZING!
20:50:12 JenMad -> I'm sorry for apologizing ...
20:50:15 mguhlin -> Shame on you, Jeff!
20:50:19 sendkathy -> I prefer audio myself
20:50:20 Durff -> oh stop
20:50:24 alicemercer -> I love audio too.
20:50:33 alicemercer -> I think it's a good idea.
20:50:39 mguhlin -> Jeff is trying to hook us for commercializing World bridges
20:50:43 arvind -> I read fast which is why I like blogs. Can't listen to audio in fast forward
20:50:46 mguhlin -> that's why he wants us to come back!
20:50:47 mguhlin -> hehe
20:50:48 sendkathy -> Although I think that using a blog is a way to improve your own writing style
20:51:02 alicemercer -> Yes you can arvind
20:51:09 alicemercer -> set the playback to 2.0
20:51:50 sendkathy -> I'm here
20:51:59 Durff -> Speak
20:52:02 jeff -> you should be unmuted
20:52:05 arvind -> alicemercer: is it intelligible?
20:52:26 sendkathy -> ok
20:52:44 alicemercer -> Well you know what I think about twitter
20:53:34 alicemercer -> So I'm not afraid to lay it on the line!
20:53:51 alicemercer -> Arvind. I've done 1.25 with video and it is, but I don't like it.
20:54:05 sroseman -> I will have to sign up
20:54:17 alicemercer -> Problem is that the forums and text chat, comments are not being utilized here.
20:55:19 alicemercer -> I didn't mean text chat, I meant forums and comments, sorry. Obviourly
20:55:24 alicemercer -> text is being used here, lol
20:55:25 JenMad -> thank you soooooo much! I need to let my husband out of the closet ... nite all!
20:55:25 Gary -> EdTechTalk for non-geeks?
20:55:30 sharonp -> oh miguel - I do have to tell you that I have a friend who was just tickled when you asked her to be your friend on classroom2.0 - you made her day!! (can I have your autograph someday?)
20:55:34 alicemercer -> I'm not touching that.
20:55:37 lee baber -> may i have the link again for skypecast?
20:55:46 jeff -> skype:+99001110020796215?call&token=768962&topic=EdTechWeekly+28+and+Community+Forum
20:56:01 alicemercer -> bye all
20:56:07 jeff -> +99001110020796215
20:56:16 mguhlin -> funny
20:56:22 mguhlin -> Sharon, glad it made her day!
20:57:07 CathyE -> FYI- I am connecting with Maria Knees's kindergarten from the beach tomorrow
20:57:17 Durff -> cool
20:57:26 randyn -> yeah cool!
20:57:26 cheryl wow2 -> Oh, Maria will be thrilled
20:57:52 cheryl wow2 -> Jeff, can I take the mobile webcasting studio to Atlanta for NECC 2007?
20:58:28 Durff -> and the virtual attendess
20:58:44 Durff -> did I spell that wrong enough?
20:58:55 cheryl wow2 -> Oh, if I am there for edublogger I would do that.
20:59:37 Durff -> solved nothing, but apologised alot
21:00:39 Durff -> don't worry, i always put mouth feet in my mouth
21:00:53 Durff -> see what i mean?
21:01:48 sendkathy -> how do they taste?
21:02:16 Durff -> salty
21:02:36 sendkathy -> lol
21:03:07 sendkathy -> Have you been using jott?
21:03:14 Durff -> I do
21:03:36 Durff -> I Jotted 3 times on the way to visit yesterday
21:03:47 sendkathy -> to yourself
21:03:50 Durff -> and those are in my email now
21:03:52 sendkathy -> or someone else
21:03:55 Durff -> yup
21:03:58 CathyE -> can you send video from a cell phone to blip?
21:04:04 Durff -> I need to note things
21:04:18 Durff -> audio to email CathyE
21:04:19 sendkathy -> I jotted a birthday wish to Jen
21:04:30 Durff -> I should try that too
21:04:35 sendkathy -> yes!
21:04:48 sendkathy -> I organized my addresses
21:04:50 Durff -> I shared that site with a friend
21:05:08 sendkathy -> so when I call the main number I just say the name and it comes up
21:05:23 Durff -> I have it on speed dial
21:05:56 Durff -> narcissism?
21:06:15 Durff -> selfish?
21:06:28 Durff -> can't take it with you
21:06:55 Durff -> I don't....ego is beyond help now
21:07:13 Durff -> i blog because i have sth to say
21:07:25 Durff -> i don't care who is listening
21:07:35 Durff -> maybe i should?
21:08:19 Durff -> yes, reading spurs us to write....
21:09:16 Durff -> your blog was there first...
21:10:34 CathyE -> I have to visit the family - night all
21:10:51 jeff -> night cathy
21:11:00 sendkathy -> night
21:11:13 Durff -> night Cathy
21:11:46 Durff -> May 19?
21:12:21 sendkathy -> lisa, you and me?
21:12:39 Durff -> ok
21:12:47 Durff -> when?
21:12:51 jeff -> http://wiaoc.org/ 
21:13:12 Durff -> will Jeff schedule us?
21:15:28 sendkathy -> I think he will put together a schedule and we'll sign up
21:15:44 sendkathy -> When can you do it? Fri, Sat, or Sunday
21:17:46 arvind -> PEW just came out with online social network report: http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/04/19/teens_privacy_a.html 
21:18:00 Durff -> i looked at the calendar
21:18:07 sendkathy -> and?
21:18:16 Durff -> i get off woek and home by 6pm
21:18:25 sendkathy -> So you think Friday?
21:18:36 Durff -> and I go to work Monday am
21:18:46 Durff -> so anytime inbetween
21:18:58 Durff -> you pick
21:19:04 sendkathy -> Ok, I think sometime Saturday would be good
21:19:10 Durff -> ok
21:19:14 sendkathy -> We usually agree on 9 or 10
21:19:19 Durff -> do we ask Jeff?
21:19:33 sendkathy -> Jeff, can we do 9-10AM on Saturday?
21:20:19 sharonp -> thanks for that link Arvind
21:20:47 Durff -> so how many hours do we need to do?
21:20:57 sendkathy -> I guess a couple!
21:21:04 Durff -> ok
21:21:27 trevor -> Thanks for letting me know about the broadcast -- I'll be watching for the webcasts as well! Ciao
21:21:43 Durff -> night