Parents as Partners Episode #25 May 4, 2009 John Pederson and the Network Learning Manifesto

Post-Show description: 

John Pederson joined Cindy Seibel and Lorna Costantini to finally do a follow up to his presentation at Edcuon 2.1. John had presented his Network Learning Manifesto and had included a parent voice as part of his presentation. The backchannel during that workshop and the show chat room from Monday night hosted the same exciting folks. It was a great discussion about how parents can fit in the learning process. 

Chat Log

20:48:41 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: Welcome everyone! We'll get started in about 15 minutes.
20:54:15 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: Tonight we'll be meeting with John Pederson and talk about the Networked Learning Manifesto
20:54:40 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk:
20:54:47 Lorna -> -EdTechTalk: CAn every one hear us?
20:55:52 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Alec
20:55:57 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: hey Cindy!
20:56:01 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: Alec can you hear us?
20:56:18 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: just connecting
20:56:32 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: yes i can
20:57:28 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: we're a good people
20:58:33 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: I just tweeted as well
20:59:22 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi everyone!
20:59:33 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: audio is coming through great!
21:00:56 penny -> -EdTechTalk: hey everybody -- full house 2nite!
21:01:05 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: really looking forward to continuing this conversation about the networked learning manifesto-started it with educon21 :-)
21:01:56 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Cindy's parent handbook is incredible!! :-)
21:02:44 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk:
21:03:36 paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: Loud and clear
21:03:49 paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: From Dallas TX
21:03:56 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
21:03:57 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: greetings from Phoenix AZ
21:04:21 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
21:04:23 jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: is this the place to come to get ijohnpederson's newsletter?
21:04:42 ijohnpederson -> -EdTechTalk: not the right place to get the newsletter :)
21:04:54 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @courosa-I used your networked teacher diagram at the AzTEA conference last weekend--shared with administrator group :-) It's fantastic!
21:05:19 jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: well, then, forget it...I'm outta here :)
21:05:28 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk:
21:06:03 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: what a humble statement!! not really true!
21:06:12 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: hey, thanks Peggy ... glad it helped!
21:06:51 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: You still haven't filed your papers with me yet John ... I decide.
21:07:24 paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: The court of Courosa! Tough one!
21:07:52 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: what a young guy!! graduated in 1996? :-)
21:08:29 shareski -> -EdTechTalk: I've made kids
21:08:54 paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: Scary
21:10:06 shareski -> -EdTechTalk: I enjoy his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter
21:10:08 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk:
21:10:44 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: The Cluetrain Manifesto - John used this as his catalyst for the Networked Learning Manifesto
21:13:50 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Educon21 was a fantastic learning experience for me and I could only participate virtually
21:14:11 courosa -> -EdTechTalk: Educon was very good, I'll go again.
21:14:29 paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: Most definitely will return
21:14:49 penny -> -EdTechTalk: is there a link to John's presentation from educon?
21:14:55 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk:
21:15:10 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: That is the link for John's session - recording and backchannel chat
21:15:18 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: John did a really good job of involving us virtually so we could join in the conversation with those face to face--there were some great conversations that day!
21:15:42 penny -> -EdTechTalk: thnx cindy -- look forward to watching
21:15:58 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: and enjoying it againg!
21:16:59 penny -> -EdTechTalk: it's so interesting how people can take their own skills and interests and translate them to help our kids
21:17:26 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I found it really interesting to hear so many divergent points of view--everyone wasn't in agreement about what they wanted for their kids in schools.
21:18:32 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: silly mac keeps kicking me out
21:19:03 penny -> -EdTechTalk: important point -- when they are there for personal lives ... it is easier for them then to incorporate it in relation to the kids
21:19:16 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @jeannine--don't give up!
21:21:10 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @John-is it your vision that we might use the networked manifesto to lead similar conversations with parents in our own communities?
21:22:01 penny -> -EdTechTalk: and if you can show value for parents personally/professionally -- independent of the kids -- there will be better buy in
21:22:53 penny -> -EdTechTalk: to me that's the value of using  generic tool like twitter or facebook rather than a separate walled garden approach
21:23:50 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: it may be radical but too often we only ask the expected questions and don't really know what our parents are feeling/thinking
21:24:37 penny -> -EdTechTalk: @peggy -- there is a lot of assumptions sometimes -- and some questions don't get asked bcs we/they think we know the answers
21:25:18 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: that's what I was thinking--even if we didn't use all of the items just using a few could lead to some very interesting feedback from parents
21:25:55 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: that is a tough question Lorna!
21:26:27 penny -> -EdTechTalk: very tough questions
21:26:28 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: you've said so many times about how important it is that there are lots of ways for parents to get involved--there can't just be one way
21:26:58 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: the magic word--"relationships"--so important!
21:27:14 penny -> -EdTechTalk: @john -- the RSS is such an important point -- want information pushed to me -- not have to go looking for it
21:27:33 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: I just want to feel connected to my child through his/her learning.
21:27:39 shareski -> -EdTechTalk: Bill Chamberlain Ustreams his lass 24/7
21:27:49 shareski -> -EdTechTalk: class
21:27:56 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: most parents don't know about RSS yet but it really is an important starting place so they can get the information they want/need
21:27:57 Miriam -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe that's something that worries teachers - the idea that parents might just want to check in on what's happening...
21:28:16 Miriam -> -EdTechTalk: because then they might actually have an issue with what's going on, and then how do you deal with that?
21:28:30 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @shareski-very interesting point--many parents are now looking for childcare facilities that stream everything going on
21:29:09 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: is it different when it's child care situations being streamed or as the children get older and need some independence?
21:29:10 penny -> -EdTechTalk: hmm don't really want that much involvement!
21:29:13 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: I make the appointment even though I don't need it.  I want them to see me f2f
21:30:02 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: good point cgseibel--the older kids really don't want their parents to know everything about what they are doing
21:31:09 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: do you often feel conflict when you are both a parent and an educator?
21:31:44 Miriam -> -EdTechTalk: @PeggyG Yes! I work in our school library, and have 2 daughters in school down the hall :-)
21:31:49 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: it is a delicate balance to live both roles
21:31:52 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: how much do you advocate for your own kids in school or do you hold back because you're an educator?
21:32:51 techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks for the conversation.  Raised some important questions my school needs to answer. G-night!
21:32:57 Miriam -> -EdTechTalk: I tend to hold back with talking to teachers about 'problems' with my kids
21:33:02 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: I am not a parent, but I hope I would trust the school enough that I don't have to watch 24/7.   But I would like to KNOW -- via communication -- what is going on
21:33:19 shareski -> -EdTechTalk: The classroom should be a giant sandbox.
21:33:32 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: students ned to be able to negotiate for themselves, both in the class and the school yard.
21:33:44 Miriam -> -EdTechTalk: because I still have to try and work alongside the teachers, when I might also be having issues with what theyre doing in the classroom.
21:33:59 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: Clarence Fisher
21:34:49 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: as a parent looking in I do not believe taht I would be able to see the whole picture of what is going on as I would tend to be too focused on my child as an individual in the room
21:34:59 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: Has anyone heard Michael Thompson (Raising Cain) on the parent-school realtionship
21:35:30 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: @BRaddo heard of Raising Cain but not familiar - can you drop link into chat?
21:37:04 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: John just said "he knows more about what is going on in another state than in his own daughter's classroom"  -- WOW.....   that is a whole conversation right there
21:37:20 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: a classroom in another state
21:37:22 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: absolutely!!
21:38:06 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I see the openness in some schools today thanks to web 2.0 and wish I had some of that when my kids were growing up--I feel like I missed out on a lot!
21:38:27 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: I'm seeing teachers open their classes to each other (via PLCs) and they are finding it rewarding...hoping it will begin to extend to those of us outside too.
21:38:41 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: Thmpson's an amazing speaker, $$ but if you get a couple schools together, worth the price. His url:
21:38:48 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: not sure, I agree, Peggy.   I think open communication is important -- I don't know I agree 100% visibility is
21:39:12 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I've heard Matt Montagne talk about his policies re Facebook and students--very good conversation to have!
21:39:16 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: were people being barred from classrooms prior to web 2.0
21:39:31 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: and students as scribes IS a good idea -- but not if the teacher is dictating the blogposts.....agree??
21:39:45 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I don't mean 100% visibility--just more information than I received from my kids--schools didn't even have web pages then
21:39:57 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: would you put your child in a school which you were barred from the classroom?
21:40:39 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: agree on that Peggy -- but I was a teacher in the 70's, 80's and 90's and was able to communicate pretty effectively with parents -- without web 2.0. 
21:40:41 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: parents haven't always been welcomed in schools--maybe on grandparent's day or special occasions but not on a typical school day
21:40:44 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: Twitter search #CAIS-AH and you'll find my backchannel during a Thompson presentation
21:41:06 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: I feel as like we are saying communication did not occur prior to the web 2.0 tools that have been discussed
21:41:14 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: perhaps parent accessbility into classrooms is different at a private school??
21:41:54 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: that was my experience when my kids were growing up--very little communication except report cards and P/T conferences
21:42:03 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: We <heart> ijohnpederson
21:42:09 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: One can have too much and too little parent-school communication, no?
21:42:37 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: @Braddo probably as much about the kind of conversation as the volume
21:42:40 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: I feel that the way that technology has enhanced the diverse learning styles that our students have and this can be carried over to the parents as well.  It will work for some and not for others
21:42:42 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @Braddo-definitely :-)
21:42:53 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: @dlowry -- sometimes it does sound that way, doesn't it.....but I don't agree.  Still do LOTS of productive stuff without Web 2.0
21:43:18 jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk:
21:43:28 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: I know of 1 case where parent had well over 500 contacts with school in a single year
21:43:54 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for the link Jackie-you're such a great resource
21:44:00 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk:
21:44:18 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: another case where parent sewed GPS into her child's backpack so she could track the school bus on Google Earth and phone the school whenerver it was going too fast
21:44:19 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: I beleive taht tech allows for teachers to have a new outlet for communication
21:44:32 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: I pay attention to you all
21:44:37 jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks PEggy
21:44:52 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: I see Lorna and Cindy and Matt
21:44:53 jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk: Twitter people
21:45:03 Lorna -> -EdTechTalk:
21:45:54 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @Braddo--sounds like a helicopter parent--pretty scary!
21:46:31 Lorna -> -EdTechTalk:
21:46:34 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: @cgseibel so we need to assess both quantity and quality
21:46:57 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: as a principal I strongly believed in openness for parents in our school but I often got push-back from teachers. We did it anyway :-)
21:47:09 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: Sorry have to run off. Wish I found this earlier and could staty later.
21:47:20 Braddo -> -EdTechTalk: *stay
21:47:25 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: @Braddo, yes I would say so. We need to listen to parents - carefully - what are they wanting to hear and what do they understand. Watch the jargon.
21:47:31 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: so glad you were here Braddo
21:47:34 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk:
21:48:44 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: @Peggy well said - our schools belong to the communities, I hope
21:48:57 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: yes! :-)
21:49:37 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: we need to feel comfortable in our abilities to build relationships
21:49:43 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: wish it was as easy to do as it is to talk about it :-)
21:50:42 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: I feel your frustration too Lorna. I'm being pulled in many directions and so many of them are outside me interest in connecting parents through tech. Not enough hours in the day.
21:51:08 KimMcGill -> -EdTechTalk: If principals are the key to making 'things' happen we have to build understanding with principals too. Big job.
21:51:27 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: another great point jeannine! should teachers be available to parents 24/7?
21:51:55 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: Peggy -- I don't think anyone should be available to anyone 24/7 unless it is family
21:52:00 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: no Peggy
21:52:05 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: not healthy
21:52:14 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: @peggy as a fellow admin we need to make sure that we support each other, it can be very challenging
21:52:24 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: from a teacher who has been in the classroom a looong time
21:52:35 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: I can't get the faculty to come into events offline or online - let alone parents
21:52:57 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @dlowry!! definitely!! an admin support group :-)
21:53:21 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: we need to start smal, build alliances with each other
21:53:27 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: @PeggyG - not 24/7 for contact, but the tools allow for "catch up", asynchroncity can work if we are patient
21:53:30 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: parents come to school when their kids are "performing" and when there's food :-)
21:53:39 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: smiles -- @dlowry -- some of us  call that Twitter
21:53:51 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: food is key!!!!
21:54:14 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: exactly Peggy
21:54:22 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: food?
21:54:29 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: I love food
21:54:33 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: @en - i agree o have found some definite support from twitter it has been great
21:54:41 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I've heard some good things about schools that have opened their computer labs after school for kids to do things on computers with their parents
21:55:03 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: when i did, no one came
21:55:22 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: Peggy -- our lab is open after school WITH parent on Elementary age.  Has been very popular
21:55:25 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: there is zero interest where i live
21:55:30 jackiegerstein -> -EdTechTalk:
21:55:32 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: great Jen!
21:55:37 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: our school has been offering classes for paretents to increase computer skills
21:55:56 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: lots of food for thought tonight :-)
21:56:22 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: John - you only asked ONE question.....LOL, don't you have 4 more for the interviewers??
21:57:18 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: manifesto???
21:57:25 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: the manifesto is a great conversation started--you don't need to try to reach consensus but just listen to the conversation
21:57:42 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: conversation starter--oops
21:58:39 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: a holiday--good for you
21:58:57 Jen -> -EdTechTalk: nice show -- first time listener ---  very happy I wandered in
21:58:58 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I can't wait to hear directly from Cindy!! She has so much to share with us
21:59:11 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: I am always looking for more people to join the support group - I am @bbcrfc on twitter
21:59:13 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: Hmmm. I'll have to think of some hard questions for Cindy!
21:59:56 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: for those late arrivals can you post those useful wiki links etc
22:00:01 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: familiar pixels
22:00:10 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: great dlowry-following you now :-)
22:00:19 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: nice thought
22:00:22 KimMcGill -> -EdTechTalk: I enjoyed listening tonight - my first visit too.
22:00:39 mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: clap clap clap clap
22:00:41 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: wonderful conversation--let's keep it going
22:00:43 jeannine -> -EdTechTalk: Great conversation - thanks!
22:00:47 PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: thanks everyone
22:00:48 dlowry -> -EdTechTalk: thanks everyone
22:00:52 Lorna -> -EdTechTalk: thanks everyone
22:00:53 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: @sroseman which ones? John's is
22:01:15 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: thanks ..any of the great links talked about this evening
22:01:16 cgseibel -> -EdTechTalk: Educon session is
22:01:31 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: aha the manifesto yes
22:02:04 sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: thanks
22:06:38 penny -> -EdTechTalk: look forward to the archived talk -- @jmcmcmahon came over to talk tech stuff -- so missed out on the end! 
22:06:42 penny -> -EdTechTalk: night all!

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