Chat Log for TTT#96 - 03.19.08
20:32:28 Bill O'Neal: Hey Sue. Tom is still awake, so I'll be listening at nine.. but trying to get him to sleep. I'll be back.
20:44:02 paulallison: http://www.futureofthebook.org/blog/archives/2008/03/hypertextopia.html
20:44:12 paulallison: http://www.hypertextopia.com/library/read/3/4
20:44:21 paulallison: http://www.whitewhale.net/content/jeremy.php
20:44:30 paulallison: http://markbernstein.org/
20:44:37 paulallison: http://eastgate.com/
20:44:46 paulallison: http://eastgate.com/storyspace/
20:44:59 paulallison: hi
20:53:01 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone welcome
20:53:22 SusanEttenheim: hi ruyoung
20:53:28 SusanEttenheim: hi villagegreen
20:53:44 villagegreen: howdy
20:54:02 villagegreen: odd things happen when you try to type in the google search
20:54:10 SusanEttenheim: villagegreen have you joined us before?
20:54:11 villagegreen: instead of the chat window
20:54:19 villagegreen: a couple of times
20:54:33 villagegreen: i was here for the filtering discussion
20:54:49 SusanEttenheim: ah could you remind me where and what you teach?
20:55:02 villagegreen: i'm a district level integration coordinator
20:55:10 SusanEttenheim: and where?
20:55:14 villagegreen: denver public schools
20:55:18 villagegreen: denver, co
20:55:27 SusanEttenheim: great! welcome
20:55:29 ruyoung: hi all!
20:55:36 SusanEttenheim: and ruyoung - where are you from?
20:55:57 ruyoung: i'm in toronto
20:56:11 villagegreen: go blue jays!
20:56:20 SusanEttenheim: and what do you do in toronto?
20:56:42 ruyoung: currently in between e-learning contracts
20:56:49 ruyoung: just finished one and am about to start another
20:57:15 SusanEttenheim: interesting~!
20:59:29 SusanEttenheim: ok everyone - you should be hearing us soon!
20:59:39 SusanEttenheim: still warming up but turned onthe stream now
21:00:04 SusanEttenheim: villagegreen and ruyoung do you know how to hear our stream?
21:00:22 ruyoung: sure do!
21:00:30 villagegreen: i usually click the link under audio streaming
21:00:38 villagegreen: is this channel a or b
21:00:40 SusanEttenheim: yes great!
21:00:44 SusanEttenheim: channel a
21:00:56 SusanEttenheim: welcome george - where are you and what are you teaching?
21:01:36 george: hi susan- 8th grade teacher in Maryland
21:02:08 hickstro: I can hear you on A
21:02:15 villagegreen: i can hear you, with a little echo
21:02:17 SusanEttenheim: great - thanks troy
21:02:42 ruyoung: all good in channel a
21:03:03 SusanEttenheim: thank you ruyoung
21:03:11 SusanEttenheim: please feel free to chime in here and ask questions
21:03:54 SusanEttenheim: hi lee welcome!
21:05:26 paulallison: http://markbernstein.org/
21:05:32 lee baber: Hello all..
21:05:54 paulallison: http://eastgate.com/
21:08:15 SusanEttenheim: hi james welcome!
21:08:44 lee baber: Hello James..
21:08:45 george: test
21:08:56 lee baber: george.you are in! :)
21:09:09 george: Hi Lee
21:09:17 lee baber: Hello.
21:09:37 James.Sigler: Hi
21:09:37 lee baber: Glad to see so many folks here this evening
21:10:05 george: for some reason I can't paste in url in the text box in this chat window- the paste function doesn't work??
21:10:24 James.Sigler: Who is our guest?
21:10:27 george: http://www.hypertextopia.com/
21:10:30 SusanEttenheim: george usually you can drag it in
21:10:32 george: nevermind
21:10:34 SusanEttenheim: you got it!
21:11:02 SusanEttenheim: Joining us on TTT this week will be: Mark Bernstein, Eastgate chief scientist and publisher of wonderful hypertexts and Jeremy Ashkenas, who is working on Hypertextopia as a part of his final project for his undergraduate degree. You might want to prepare by reading through this recent thread on if:Book. Join us to learn more about hypertext online.
21:11:16 paulallison: http://www.futureofthebook.org/blog/archives/2008/03/hypertextopia.html
21:11:20 george: are there examples of hypertext stories out there?
21:11:40 paulallison: http://eastgate.com/storyspace/
21:11:45 SusanEttenheim: good question george
21:12:37 paulallison: http://www.hypertextopia.com/library/read/3/4
21:13:16 paulallison: http://www.eastgate.com/catalog/Fiction.html
21:16:38 lee baber: Hopefully you can see a bit of the websites in the ustream now
21:17:06 george: dumb question- are hypertext stories ever printed?
21:17:26 paulallison: I'll ask that george
21:17:32 SusanEttenheim: wow george - I wonder how that would happen
21:17:43 SusanEttenheim: with the links...
21:18:37 george: I've never heard of this type of fiction before- is it popular in other cultures- Japan
21:18:56 James.Sigler: Is this stream of connscieceness writing?
21:19:34 James.Sigler: conscience? conciousness? something like that
21:19:45 lee baber: If you refresh your http://edtechtalk.com/live page, you ca watch the links in the ustream screen on the right..but i am not streaming audio there
21:20:14 lee baber: Welcome Myra
21:20:29 SusanEttenheim: hi myra welcome!
21:20:36 MyraG: HI all.
21:20:57 lee baber: Where are you from Myra?
21:20:59 James.Sigler: Isn't stories about characters?
21:21:12 george: the babysitter- link?
21:21:17 MyraG: No. Colorado
21:21:30 lee baber: Where are you from Myra?
21:21:35 James.Sigler: Is this a new approach to plot?
21:21:36 lee baber: Great to have you here
21:21:39 lee baber: tonight
21:21:47 lee baber: sorry about the repeat!
21:21:51 James.Sigler: I don't quite get it
21:21:55 lee baber: that was a slip of the enter button
21:22:03 george: patchwork girl- url?
21:22:43 paulallison: http://eastgate.com/storyspace/
21:22:45 James.Sigler: That is the question I was trying to think of. Thanks
21:25:05 mark bernstein: http://www.eastgate.com/catalog/PatchworkGirl.html
21:25:34 James.Sigler: Can it be used to connect to other works, linking allusions to the work they link to?
21:26:09 mark bernstein: usually. especially Tinderbox is god at external links
21:27:08 James.Sigler: Can the links be to nonfiction works to build the reader's background knowledge?
21:28:33 SusanEttenheim: hi cindy - welcome!
21:28:42 cindy p: Hi
21:29:18 cindy p: just saw your link in twitter
21:29:25 lee baber: Welcome
21:29:29 lee baber: Hi Bill
21:29:32 Bill O'Neal: Hi!
21:30:00 SusanEttenheim: hi bill
21:30:30 James.Sigler: So this is using a large situation/event and looking at from several people's perspective
21:30:33 Bill O'Neal: Hi. The stream asx link is ot working for me tonight. Can I get a link to the stream?
21:31:03 SusanEttenheim: bill it is edtechtalk a
21:31:20 lee baber: and I am running a ustream of the links pages on the right but with not audio
21:31:27 Bill O'Neal: yeah, but not working for me. Is there a url tothat?
21:31:37 lee baber: let me get it for you
21:32:24 James.Sigler: Have people written hypertext collboratively?
21:33:28 James.Sigler: True, blogs are interconnected in networks
21:33:56 Bill O'Neal: Never mind.
21:34:35 george: students are aware of links- but used in this way? as a tool in fiction?
21:34:39 James.Sigler: How does the interconnected network work in a hypertext story with one author
21:36:09 James.Sigler: Links are connections, not really punctuation
21:36:09 george: http://eastgate.com/storyspace/
21:37:20 george: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21013
21:37:42 george: i think that's the Boxer article referred to earlier
21:38:54 george: target=blank
21:39:11 SusanEttenheim: I think that even in schools with a lot of technology, most writing is still happening on paper with pens or maybe typed but then printed so this wouldn't be relevant. Do you all find this?
21:39:19 James.Sigler: Interesting...The grammar of linking. It doesn need to be defined.
21:39:28 James.Sigler: does
21:39:54 villagegreen: i would agree - in denver at least, very little writing is digital, and less is online
21:40:24 James.Sigler: Linking makes writing powerful, like connections make reading powerful
21:40:43 lee baber: thanks susan
21:41:17 SusanEttenheim: are you at 1:1 schools in Denver and Toronto?
21:42:29 James.Sigler: A need for a predictive searches while writing? A new kind of search engine
21:42:47 villagegreen: only about 3 of our 150 schools in denver are 1:1 at this point
21:43:13 villagegreen: Is there any connection between linked writing an Manga?
21:45:28 george: what are the best examples of current media outlets that use hypertext
21:50:30 george: so it's a new genre-
21:52:08 SusanEttenheim: cindy - how does this strike you?
21:53:26 george: examples- ideas for experimenting with hypertext story creation w/ k-12 students?
21:55:44 James.Sigler: Students could connect their background schema by linking to other sites they have previously read - text-to-text connection
21:57:12 James.Sigler: They could link their own personal narrative in their blog where they connect in a certain place in the story - text-to-self
21:57:19 george: http://victorianweb.org/
21:58:28 James.Sigler: Wikipedia links to unknown vocabulary words in the story - learning new vocab
22:00:00 george: sounds like a vicious dog there
22:02:53 James.Sigler: MMORPGs are very much like like that. It has an overarching storyline filled with intermediatary quests and subplots
22:04:32 villagegreen: Would you consider Second Life as possibly an immersive form of a hyperlinked story? Are there examples in SL like murder mystery parties?
22:05:04 SusanEttenheim: great connecion villagegreen!
22:05:06 James.Sigler: MMORPG are to Web 2.0 as movies are to Web 1.0
22:05:13 george: hypertext of internal narative- a parallel narative of internal external
22:05:20 george: thats a cool idea
22:07:03 SusanEttenheim: I love that book!
22:07:14 SusanEttenheim: Anyone read it? Hamlet on the Holodeck
22:07:34 James.Sigler: Sounds neat
22:07:43 SusanEttenheim: it's excellent
22:07:45 george: see everyone later :)
22:09:17 lee baber: night all
22:09:49 SusanEttenheim: night all thank you!
22:09:54 mark bernstein: Night all, and thanks!
22:09:58 lee baber: night
22:10:00 James.Sigler: Great show
22:10:05 James.Sigler: night
22:10:07 lee baber: susan