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EdTechBrainstorm.2008.01.31

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I'm joined by Arthus, Art Gelwicks, and Dave Cormier. Our discussion includes an Educon 2.0 recap, as well as consideration of "total cost of ownership" in online environments.

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2008-01-31 20:59:17 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: Shhh...doug's here...behave.
2008-01-31 20:59:21 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: lol
2008-01-31 20:59:32 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: Art you funny
2008-01-31 20:59:39 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: Good evening Mr. Symington.
2008-01-31 21:02:26 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: Art skype me to join the convo
2008-01-31 21:04:46 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: Cathy skype me to join the convo
2008-01-31 21:04:57 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: wcgaskins you too
2008-01-31 21:05:13 [Message] arthus -> -EdTechTalk: http://stream.myfla.ws
2008-01-31 21:05:20 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: will be with you in a few minutes
2008-01-31 21:05:43 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: 'sup
2008-01-31 21:05:50 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: sure, whenever you'd like
2008-01-31 21:06:07 [Message] wcgaskins -> -EdTechTalk: I can't stay. I would love to. I will be back another night. Bill
2008-01-31 21:06:14 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: @davko not much, how bout you?
2008-01-31 21:06:26 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: thanks Bill
2008-01-31 21:16:03 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: Some people get paid by one job, but do another as a volunteer service.
2008-01-31 21:18:26 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: @eigo sure... but i'm not sure which side of the issue you're coming in on
2008-01-31 21:18:39 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: anyone who'd like, please skype dougsymington to join the conversation
2008-01-31 21:19:07 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: Someone said, people are always getting paid for what they do, so nothing is really free.
2008-01-31 21:19:14 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: my teachers do understand- my school email filter goes down once a week - so they get a full dose of reality
2008-01-31 21:19:35 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: too true--there's a "total cost of ownership" with any and all things--tech or otherwise
2008-01-31 21:19:42 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: However, someone can be doing something for free, but getting money from another source (in order to have enough money to live.)
2008-01-31 21:20:19 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Not you, Dave
2008-01-31 21:20:25 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: hence the notion of "transparency" and who/how things are being paid for...
2008-01-31 21:21:15 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: brb
2008-01-31 21:21:23 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: I mean, for example, a teacher might work for a school system, but do a website for free, just to help give back to the world.
2008-01-31 21:21:52 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: @eigo i volunteer a great deal... but the servers still need to be paid for, and the hardware does too.
2008-01-31 21:22:21 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: Yeah, but some people just take the money out of their own pockets.
2008-01-31 21:22:45 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: back -- at work -- speakin' o' paying for stuff!
2008-01-31 21:22:49 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: I've nothing against making money and offsetting costs. It's just that some people do really do things for "free."
2008-01-31 21:25:23 [Message] gary -> -EdTechTalk: The "free" service part is endemic in education. Teachers in the past were often members of religious orders and they may have had vows of serice and poverty. Some traditions die hard.
2008-01-31 21:25:48 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: ha.
2008-01-31 21:25:50 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: nice one.
2008-01-31 21:28:06 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: Password-protected Moodle isn't so bad.
2008-01-31 21:29:32 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: tired of agreeing with Art now
2008-01-31 21:29:32 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: .. an implication of Moodle, is that students get deleted after a course is finished.
2008-01-31 21:29:47 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: @eigo IF you delete them
2008-01-31 21:30:27 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: If teachers do their job correctly, they are good teachers.
2008-01-31 21:30:44 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: if they know they show @eigo...
2008-01-31 21:30:47 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: should
2008-01-31 21:30:50 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: not show
2008-01-31 21:30:54 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: :)
2008-01-31 21:33:08 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: Even protected things, can be copied and pasted into unprotected web pages!!
2008-01-31 21:33:43 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: So you need to trust everyone that has rights to see things.
2008-01-31 21:39:07 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 1. Discuss what you want to accomplish in the end.
2008-01-31 21:39:53 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: be conscious of the notion of "public voice" and that what you say/post on the web is "public" or might be
2008-01-31 21:40:12 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: notwithstanding how you might intend it be "restricted"
2008-01-31 21:41:01 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 2. Review the policies of the school as to what you "can't" do.
2008-01-31 21:42:42 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I am very lucky - I have a great tech guy
2008-01-31 21:42:59 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 3. Define the benefits of your project in clear, simple terms.
2008-01-31 21:43:39 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 4. Show an example of someone who has done something similar.
2008-01-31 21:44:59 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 5. Put together a project plan.
2008-01-31 21:46:45 [Message] tkidd132 -> -EdTechTalk: Tkidd as Made it...lol
2008-01-31 21:46:50 [Message] tkidd132 -> -EdTechTalk: lol
2008-01-31 21:48:37 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 6. Execute the plan and communicate on your successes and failures
2008-01-31 21:49:00 [Message] Eurominuteman -> -EdTechTalk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability_Maturity_Model
2008-01-31 21:51:26 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 7. Post-motem and promote.
2008-01-31 21:51:33 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: 8. Thank everyone involved.
2008-01-31 21:51:43 [Message] tkidd132 -> -EdTechTalk: Ok...I have sound
2008-01-31 21:54:17 [Message] lee baber -> -EdTechTalk: tags m ight work much better...
2008-01-31 21:54:41 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: I like the tags idea...but how do we get it into a common format so it's searchable?
2008-01-31 21:57:36 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Have to leave ya'll -great discussion
2008-01-31 21:57:53 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: thanks Cathy--great show tonight yourself!
2008-01-31 21:57:55 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: cya soon
2008-01-31 21:58:57 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: Why not use pop with Gmail, then you don't get the ads.
2008-01-31 21:59:40 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: I know they anticipate that at times they assume you'll access it by web.
2008-01-31 22:00:16 [Message] twitter.com/eigo -> -EdTechTalk: If the one person isn't seeing ads, maybe he has an "ad-blocker" running.
2008-01-31 22:06:31 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/admins/premier_terms.html
2008-01-31 22:07:20 [Message] lee baber -> -EdTechTalk: Nice conversation
2008-01-31 22:07:24 [Message] lee baber -> -EdTechTalk: thank you all
2008-01-31 22:07:43 [Message] gary -> -EdTechTalk: Dave must be in the part of PEI with electricty
2008-01-31 22:07:51 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: i certainly am.
2008-01-31 22:07:59 [Message] davko -> -EdTechTalk: we were out for 3 hours
2008-01-31 22:08:13 [Message] lee baber -> -EdTechTalk: welcome back Dave..hope your trip was good.
2008-01-31 22:08:18 [Message] gary -> -EdTechTalk: We even heard about it in southern Alberta
2008-01-31 22:11:51 [Message] Art Gelwicks -> -EdTechTalk: Good show all.
2008-01-31 22:17:37 [Message] dougsymington -> -EdTechTalk: thanks all, have a great weekend!
2008-01-31 22:19:35 [Message] tkidd132 -> -EdTechTalk: Good Night all