It's Elementary Show #13 - EduCon 2.0 Reflections
Lisa and Maria shared their EduCon 2.0 experience with several guests who were also in attendance. The post show conversation added to the overall discussion and the chat room was lively as well. It was a record breaker!
13:46:18 dougsymington : hey Nico, you made it
13:46:31 outreach : yo bro
13:49:18 dsTest : 123
14:32:56 Turtle : hi
18:48:14 MariaK : can anyone hear the stream
18:48:45 Durff : testing stream
18:49:11 Durff : kristin?
18:49:19 Durff : arthus?
18:51:08 khokanson : hey sorry just doing dishes
18:51:10 khokanson : I hear nothing
18:51:51 khokanson : both A & B say not streaming
18:52:22 khokanson : and when I click & It opens in itunes it says women of web 2,0 as title
18:54:21 Durff : do my dishes
18:54:43 Durff : streaming now
18:55:19 MariaK : is anyone them
18:55:19 arthus : I can hear it
18:55:27 MariaK : anyone there?
18:56:13 Durff : no
18:56:25 cfoote : Hi all :)
18:57:06 cfoote : I can hear you
18:57:07 Durff : hi
18:57:38 JoseR : Hi There
18:57:56 cfoote : Hi Jose
18:58:08 JoseR : Are we set to go?
18:58:20 Durff : 2 min
18:58:23 JoseR : OK
18:58:58 cfoote : is this educon with mr. chase, ?
18:59:06 khokanson : ok note to self ...don't get here too early
18:59:09 Durff : yes
18:59:14 khokanson : needed to refresh to get the stream
18:59:28 tkidd132 : ok
18:59:34 tkidd132 : I am in the chat
18:59:40 cfoote : Okay :)
18:59:48 tkidd132 : coolie
19:00:05 tkidd132 : ok
19:00:13 ColleenK : Hi everyone!
19:00:15 tkidd132 : uh it is &:00 o'clock here
19:00:17 JoseR : I can hear stream now.
19:00:30 cfoote : Hi Colleen :) Hi Tkidd!
19:00:40 ColleenK : Hi Carolyn!
19:00:42 tkidd132 : Hello Collen
19:00:48 ColleenK : Hi Tyrone!
19:00:53 tkidd132 : Kristin hello
19:01:19 JoseR : Hi Folks
19:01:34 cfoote : Hi Kristin!
19:01:34 tkidd132 : YAhhh
19:01:41 cfoote : hm, sound got very faint
19:01:43 tkidd132 : Kristin are you her
19:01:44 tkidd132 : And i
19:01:44 khokanson : Hi everyone
19:01:54 ColleenK : Maria's sound is too low.
19:02:03 khokanson : will be listening more than chatting...til baby goes down
19:02:09 cfoote : lol, cheryloakes
19:02:09 MariaK : Hello everyone is the stream okay?
19:02:15 MariaK : thanks
19:02:23 cheryloakes multitasking : maria you and deb are a little quiet
19:02:30 cheryloakes multitasking : Durff sounds great!
19:02:31 cfoote : I can't hear deb either
19:02:34 MariaK : thanx
19:02:38 khokanson : Deb and Maria are a little quiet on the volume
19:02:55 cheryloakes multitasking : Hi Carolyn and Kristen
19:03:05 tkidd132 : Durff Put Mr. Chase on the Talk
19:03:15 tkidd132 : he is waiting
19:03:17 tkidd132 : lol
19:03:21 tkidd132 : hey Art
19:03:25 JoseR : twitter buddies getting together at Educon 2.0
19:03:25 MariaK : hi art
19:03:36 Art Gelwicks : Hey there!
19:03:38 tkidd132 : ME
19:03:42 tkidd132 : wow
19:03:46 tkidd132 : Hey
19:03:49 tkidd132 : Hows everything
19:03:55 JoseR : cool
19:04:04 tkidd132 : thats good
19:04:14 tkidd132 : HAHAH
19:04:25 JoseR : I didn't get to see Lisa Durff in any of the Ustream videos
19:04:27 cfoote : I thought Kristen was shorter than she was ;)
19:04:34 khokanson : ha ah
19:04:39 tkidd132 : yeah
19:04:42 Art Gelwicks : I looked taller than I thought I was.
19:04:47 cfoote : rflol Art
19:04:49 JoseR : She was probably hiding
19:05:02 MariaK : durff was in a cab!
19:05:03 khokanson : yeah I am really short on long legs
19:05:13 khokanson : started to watch his recording today
19:05:15 JoseR : Durff in a cab, the whole time?
19:05:16 cfoote : Ah, good I missed his presentation
19:05:24 tkidd132 : Yes i did
19:05:26 tkidd132 : too
19:05:30 khokanson : am sorry that I missed it live...
19:05:31 tkidd132 : Welcome Mr. Chase
19:05:31 cfoote : Hi Mr Chase!
19:05:33 MariaK : never wanted to walk ANYWHERE
19:05:43 tkidd132 : who Durff
19:05:49 MrChase : Hello.
19:06:12 Art Gelwicks : It was NOT a boat show.
19:06:21 Durff : art next
19:06:22 cfoote : Heard you had a great guest teacher today
19:06:27 tkidd132 : Ok
19:06:31 MrChase : Certainly did.
19:06:33 tkidd132 : great
19:06:36 JoseR : the meeting rooms were just regular classrooms. It gave it a more authentic feel, I would think
19:06:53 tkidd132 : Who was your guest teacher Mr. Chase
19:06:54 tkidd132 : ?
19:07:08 JoseR : Most presentations were a few attendees 1020 right.
19:07:08 MrChase : Konrad Glogowski
19:07:17 khokanson : Gah you are putting the pressure on to get those recordings up
19:07:19 khokanson : :)
19:07:29 MrChase : Funny.
19:07:44 ColleenK : Jose...many had more than that. Probably 50+ at Gary Stager's.
19:08:00 goohman : Hello
19:08:05 tkidd132 : Gey Goohman
19:08:07 MrChase : Hello.
19:08:11 JoseR : Oh I see. So what was the biggest meeting room?
19:08:12 cfoote : lol
19:08:21 tkidd132 : i ment HEy!!!
19:08:25 tkidd132 : yeah...
19:08:38 khokanson : There were several elementary teachers...but you are right
19:08:39 tkidd132 : Yes there were
19:08:41 cfoote : Chris had that same comment
19:08:42 Art Gelwicks : Best thing was watching the Sunday morning panel backchannel.
19:08:54 ecram3 : I don' t think they know
19:09:03 tkidd132 : Wait there were lots of Phila Distrt teachers h=there
19:09:09 khokanson : or even many of the Classrooms for the Future schools across the state
19:09:11 Durff : shh
19:09:12 ColleenK : I think all the meeting rooms were classrooms. The science room was quite large. That's where Gary's talk was.
19:09:21 cfoote : There were some from outskirts of Philly I think
19:09:22 JoseR : The locals didn't come? There were just being good hosts and watching on ustream.tv :)
19:09:44 khokanson : all at the same time
19:09:55 khokanson : you can see recordings... :)
19:09:56 Art Gelwicks : Three week conference then.
19:10:07 khokanson : @art EXACTLY
19:10:08 JoseR : :)
19:10:28 cfoote : I agree
19:10:36 cfoote : need more time to talk, also.
19:10:37 khokanson : but the nice thing is to make the connections vs being talked at
19:10:38 Sarah S : The recorded Ustreams will make all the difference I won't feel like I missed anything, and I could sit and really stay with a presenter for the whole time.
19:11:02 MariaK : Hi Sarah
19:11:10 Sarah S : Hi Maria
19:11:26 JoseR : The ustream quality was pretty good. At least in the sessions I dropped in.
19:11:31 cfoote : Funny that I didn't meet some of you, even though it was small.
19:11:32 tkidd132 : hah
19:11:33 tkidd132 : a
19:11:37 cfoote : many circles of contacts there.
19:11:44 cfoote : Artsuch a great point
19:11:51 tkidd132 : I agree Art
19:13:20 Durff : mr chase on deck
19:13:24 JoseR : Hi there, welcom
19:13:26 MariaK : Hi beth how was the summertime dinner
19:13:28 ecram3 : YO FRITZY!
19:13:34 cfoote : I have to go to dinnerbye all!
19:13:35 mkm420fritz : what up girl?
19:13:43 MrChase : That second layer is going on in our classrooms all the time, with or without tech.
19:13:46 JoseR : Liveblogging must have been pretty cool
19:13:53 bknittle : Very tasty Marie, thanks
19:14:02 ColleenK : Hi Beth!
19:14:08 JoseR : The second layer cool way to put it
19:14:11 goohman : H Songhai from "Songhai Concepts" from blogspot?
19:14:22 tkidd132 : really
19:14:27 bknittle : Hi Colleen
19:14:41 debot : How do you all think the ustreams will be in the end? I wonder if they capture what was really going on?
19:14:59 goohman : If so i know one of your students
19:15:00 MrChase : They have turned out pretty well.
19:15:20 ecram3 : The back channel idea was a brain child that started before but took on a whole new life at necc
19:15:27 JoseR : We needed a ustream cam in the hallway.
19:15:34 MrChase : Ha!
19:15:42 Durff : yes halcam
19:15:42 tkidd132 : :)
19:15:49 Durff : hallcam
19:16:01 ecram3 : I will be on the ustream hallway cam for educon 09
19:16:05 Durff : hi doug
19:16:09 tkidd132 : Hello Doug
19:16:22 JoseR : Hey Mr. DS, welcome
19:16:29 dougsymington : Hi Durff and allsorry I'm latetraffic was a brute
19:16:30 ecram3 : or I will get a kid on it rather!
19:16:52 debot : Wow Gary was a quote machine! I liked "More of them, less of us."
19:16:54 khokanson : SOMEONE TODAY was looking for solid student examples...
19:16:58 khokanson : mr mayo maybe
19:17:10 khokanson : lemme see if I can find the link
19:17:29 MrChase : I've got a few.
19:17:35 khokanson : or not :)
19:17:48 khokanson : ME EITHER !!!!!
19:17:54 tkidd132 : Me either
19:18:05 bknittle : Can't wait till 09 either..
19:18:08 tkidd132 : I am thinking more Student Presenters
19:18:10 Art Gelwicks : Woohoo! I'm an Elementary rock star!
19:18:24 MariaK : But a WCA dropout!
19:18:30 ecram3 : not presenters but StudentCon also
19:18:33 dougsymington : @Art you're a rock star wherever you go!
19:18:35 khokanson : Art do you know how to get the stream so you can hear the show
19:18:37 Art Gelwicks : Student presenters would an excellent addition...maybe even better, a student panel discussion.
19:18:49 bknittle : Go Konrad !
19:19:09 khokanson : 4 teachers....1 class
19:19:11 tkidd132 : Yes
19:19:16 arthus : StudentCOn?
19:19:17 tkidd132 : That would be great
19:19:18 khokanson : OURS
19:19:28 tkidd132 : Yeah thts what i am saying Arthus
19:19:32 tkidd132 : haha
19:19:35 khokanson : 2nd !!! cause we're gonna change the world
19:19:48 ecram3 : I am working on planting the seeds for studentcon in my classes now
19:19:53 tkidd132 : YEs!!! We are going to Change the world!!!!
19:19:56 debot : i was in a session where the presenter didn't show up. The kids pulled it together and did a Q&A. They didn't want us to be let down.
19:20:11 dougsymington : @tkidd132 you already are
19:20:12 khokanson : couldn't agree more
19:20:20 Art Gelwicks : That's the kind of thing that we should be able to see...the kids stepping up.
19:20:22 ecram3 : the SLA kids really care about the school and were glad to have you there
19:20:22 tkidd132 : I am
19:20:27 Durff : hi cathy
19:20:28 arthus : I was very impressed by the SLA students
19:20:28 tkidd132 : doug
19:20:31 arthus : (and I'm a student)
19:20:43 goohman : There should really be a studentCon
19:20:43 tkidd132 : I was to.....
19:20:44 Durff : no you are a learner
19:20:58 dougsymington : @arthus your session was a very good oneand a wonderful conversation
19:21:02 arthus : I strongly disagree goodman
19:21:07 tkidd132 : well thats right we allare...
19:21:09 ecram3 : arthus what do you think? should there be a student con?
19:21:10 arthus : goohman*
19:21:11 tkidd132 : but I am a Student
19:21:17 arthus : NO NO NO
19:21:25 goohman : why not?
19:21:26 tkidd132 : ??
19:21:28 arthus : absolutely no studentcon
19:21:29 JoseR : I cught part of your presentation arhus, great job
19:21:38 bknittle : educon does not exclude students as it is about education and we are all learners
19:21:41 Art Gelwicks : Why so adamant, Arthus?
19:21:46 arthus : because StudentCon puts students on unequal footing
19:21:47 tkidd132 : Really StudentCon doesn't sound right
19:21:56 Art Gelwicks : www.twitter.com
19:21:59 tkidd132 : Yes I will Love to come on
19:22:01 Art Gelwicks : oops.
19:22:09 debot : I agree with arthus
19:22:10 ecram3 : unequal footing? How?
19:22:11 tkidd132 : YES!!!
19:22:17 arthus : I have argued this before, when you formalize students as simply students, then it is not equal footing
19:22:19 tkidd132 : Danny was Great
19:22:25 arthus : you are placing student voices as unequal voices
19:22:26 goohman : easy on the caps.....
19:22:45 arthus : he does
19:22:50 JoseR : not sure where you are coming from, arthus
19:22:52 bknittle : As mark twain says I never let my schooling interfere with my education.. or something.
19:23:37 JoseR : so, what's in a name? Educon, studentCon etc..
19:23:38 arthus : JoseR, think of a student panel: it is saying "therese are the students"
19:23:39 debot : Educon was about education environments and learning. I don't know they why we would need to label it as Student Con
19:23:42 arthus : listen, but don't listen
19:23:49 tkidd132 : haha
19:23:56 mkm420fritz : set up ap wiki w/ reflection so improvements can be developed from reflections....reflective practitioners...
19:23:57 Durff : kristin on deck
19:24:03 Art Gelwicks : We need to involve the students more...not segment them off.
19:24:08 JoseR : OK, arthus, good point
19:24:10 tkidd132 : Yes!!! I agree Mr. Chase
19:24:12 arthus : it is segregated discussion if we seperate the stufdents
19:24:17 arthus : students*
19:24:21 Art Gelwicks : Great minds, Arthus.
19:24:47 Durff : if you type here
19:24:49 tkidd132 : Hello..Linda
19:24:50 mkm420fritz : The University community needs to be more included
19:24:55 bknittle : I think many of the attendies do present elswhere
19:25:03 arthus : I don't :P
19:25:09 cfoote : Arthello, guess we didn't meet at educon
19:25:13 cfoote : Hi linda!
19:25:17 Durff : ok arthus and kidd on deck
19:25:17 arthus : hi Carolyn
19:25:20 Linda N : Hi everyone!
19:25:23 arthus : I like the small size
19:25:24 cfoote : I agree with Mr. Chase..the students were great
19:25:25 tkidd132 : Really
19:25:27 cfoote : Hi ARthus :)
19:25:28 Art Gelwicks : I'll bet we did and didn't know it. :)
19:25:33 arthus : it makes things far more intamite and discussable
19:25:36 tkidd132 : I like small sizes too
19:25:37 cfoote : Arthus did an excellent job
19:25:47 arthus : thanks
19:25:49 cfoote : I do tooI'm worried next year it will grow too large
19:25:54 Art Gelwicks : The size was great...scalabilty will be an issue in the future after all the buzz.
19:25:58 cfoote : I like the intimate size of the conference.
19:26:00 bknittle : I like small size
19:26:12 cfoote : Art, were you in the playwright session?
19:26:14 arthus : I love that idea
19:26:19 ecram3 : The building can only hold so many
19:26:25 arthus : multiple conferences
19:26:29 bknittle : oops real life calling need to go, night all
19:26:30 Linda N : In reflecting today, I do think size did play a significant role
19:26:37 tkidd132 : yes
19:26:49 cfoote : I do toomaybe only the same folks should come next year ;)
19:26:51 Art Gelwicks : No, that I didn't get a chance to attend that one.
19:26:52 JoseR : Size does seem to be a factor. The small conference feeling is like a small town vs. city feeling
19:27:00 ecram3 : is it a possibility to spead it over into more Philly schools?
19:27:02 debot : I agree about size Think about Necc
19:27:12 Linda N : :D
19:27:14 cfoote : ecram3 but then you'd lose the sense of conversation and community
19:27:16 Durff : i feel us running late oh well
19:27:18 Cathy E : I'm jealous
19:27:18 Art Gelwicks : There aren't many Philly schools that match SLA's makeup and design.
19:27:21 tkidd132 : out side the Box...
19:27:34 cfoote : I do have to go to dinner.
19:27:41 cfoote : that was a great discussion Durff
19:27:47 mkm420fritz : you can certainly grow the community that attended virtually.
19:27:49 cfoote : Arthus did a great job of stepping back.
19:27:54 debot : Do you think it would be scalable as regional events?
19:27:55 goohman : gotta go, tkidd fill me in later, k
19:27:57 cfoote : k, all bye!
19:28:05 tkidd132 : K Goohman...ttyl
19:28:17 Art Gelwicks : Regional is possible. Multiregional with two way video casting...now there's an idea.
19:28:24 Art Gelwicks : By cfoote
19:28:37 Linda N : The rising up of the proletariat!
19:28:40 Sarah S : I like that multiregional idea
19:29:24 Art Gelwicks : I think we need to continue the discussion format over the coming weeks and months.
19:29:48 MariaK : Think about the change that could happen if teachers got together and organized a march on Washington!
19:29:53 H Songhai : I like the two way video casting
19:29:59 Art Gelwicks : Do they have that many cabs?
19:30:36 Sarah S : @arthus I enjoyed our conversation during Chris's presentation
19:30:37 JoseR : OK folks, great listening in. Great conference. Catch you all later
19:30:59 tkidd132 : I can't believe I am talking lol
19:31:13 MrChase : Hello Joyce.
19:31:23 MariaK : Go Tyrone!!!
19:31:28 joycevalenza : hello mr. chase
19:31:34 debot : What is the best venue for continued conversation Twitter, It's Elementary, the wiki?
19:31:34 jepcke : Hi Joyce, I enjoyed you in the panel discussion yesterday
19:31:49 Linda N : it is our job!
19:31:52 joycevalenza : thanks
19:31:53 MrChase : pownce
19:32:16 ecram3 : guide learning
19:32:17 Durff : i hear feedback anyone else?
19:32:20 Art Gelwicks : Bah. Our job is to crush their spirits and destroy all hope. :)
19:32:48 arthus : Sarah, it was great to meet you
19:32:52 Linda N : Arthus was a great facilitator. He modeled great listening.
19:32:57 jepcke : I thought our job was to administer tests LOL
19:33:07 tkidd132 : Did you guys Hear me??
19:33:10 arthus : thanks Linda
19:33:15 tkidd132 : my audio is is messing up
19:33:16 Sarah S : :D
19:33:33 ecram3 : He was there Friday too
19:33:45 tkidd132 : oh..ok
19:34:14 dougsymington : @Durff first time for everything ;)
19:34:27 Linda N : This makes me feel like the weekend isn't over!
19:34:45 Art Gelwicks : The weekend never needs to end!
19:34:56 arthus : it definitely won't
19:35:06 arthus : the conversation will continue on
19:35:07 tkidd132 : YEs...
19:35:11 tkidd132 : it won't
19:35:29 arthus : especially thanks to
19:36:00 arthus : I did a *lot* of walking
19:36:11 jepcke : Philly is definitely a walking city
19:36:15 Linda N : Great exercise.
19:36:16 debot : The last two nights I woke up early in the morning and had a total power surge up and ready to go. That is how the conference effected me.
19:36:44 debot : It was way colder when we got back to NH
19:36:51 Art Gelwicks : Reality check...we need to start sharing over the coming weeks how we're actually putting the leaning in to motion.
19:37:16 debot : Okay Art when and how
19:37:24 courosa : It will be 38 here tonight ... wimps.
19:37:27 Durff : almost done
19:37:29 Art Gelwicks : Ummm...uhhhh....let me think.
19:37:34 Durff : eee cold
19:37:38 Durff : brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
19:37:42 dougsymington : whoa Alec that's a cool one
19:37:43 Linda N : @courosa i wouldn't survive!
19:37:52 tkidd132 : It was not cold....In Phila
19:37:53 Durff : me neither
19:37:57 Art Gelwicks : Liz Davis set up a site in the Classroom 2.0 ning...maybe there's a start.
19:38:01 dougsymington : we're all in a flutter here on the island at a couple of degrees below freezing
19:38:05 MariaK : some of us came back to more snow!
19:38:13 courosa : you get used to it amazingly, and it has been mild the past few winters.
19:38:18 MariaK : Cape and the islands had a snow day today
19:38:24 Art Gelwicks : Arthus...you needed to hear Joyce and I then.
19:38:26 Art Gelwicks : :)
19:38:41 Art Gelwicks : Joyce said she'd never work in my school for me.
19:38:55 Sarah S : I loved the subversive teacher perspective. Thanks Joyce!
19:39:02 Art Gelwicks : I'd love to have her there to challenge me everyday.
19:39:28 Linda N : The student voice was a wonderful addition. It would be great to hear the voice of students in a not so perfect school.
19:39:41 arthus : I'm not in a perfect school
19:39:47 dougsymington : @Linda admin wouldn't like that
19:40:00 arthus : actually, I'm in a rather traditional and oldschool
19:40:04 Linda N : That's why we need more of you there to push our thinking.
19:40:06 Sarah S : the SLA students willingness to enter a session and make thoughtful comments was great.
19:40:13 tkidd132 : Don't for get me..
19:40:35 Linda N : Never!
19:40:50 dougsymington : woooohoooo
19:40:52 dougsymington : great show
19:41:10 ecram3 : come back and see us!
19:41:13 cheryloakes multitasking : Great outro Durff, Nice show ladies, great guests
19:41:19 Sarah S : Marcie great to meet you!
19:41:25 cheryloakes multitasking : Oh, and the chat room is terrific
19:41:38 Art Gelwicks : Chat room's where the cool kids hang out. :)
19:41:39 MrChase : It is great to meet Marcie, isn't it? Who are you, Sarah?
19:41:52 tkidd132 : Yes...were the cool kids Right?
19:41:58 ecram3 : yep, ecram is Marcie
19:42:01 Durff : yes
19:42:04 Durff : i agree
19:42:06 tkidd132 : ok
19:42:08 Cathy E : Arthus I would like you to meet my highschool friend Randyobx
19:42:16 Durff : like me art
19:42:20 Cathy E : Randy meet Arthus
19:42:21 ecram3 : great to have met you too!
19:42:27 Sarah S : Sarah Sutter just an art teacher from Maine.
19:42:31 arthus : hello Randy
19:42:37 ecram3 : I remember!!
19:42:40 Art Gelwicks : Heh...nothing but trouble from the Cab Girls.
19:42:42 ecram3 : the Dancer
19:42:45 tkidd132 : Hello Ryan
19:42:54 ryanbretag : Hi
19:42:58 khokanson : what was the conversation about with the kids...
19:43:07 Sarah S : :) Yup thank Melissa for a great dance night
19:43:09 MariaK : We have room in the cab for you too Art
19:43:10 khokanson : I am still trying to id some of the videos
19:43:11 tkidd132 : ......
19:43:27 randynobx : hello
19:43:35 Art Gelwicks : We're going to go from the cab to the short bus at this rate.
19:43:40 ecram3 : @khokanson wrok on with your bad self and the renaming
19:44:23 khokanson : @ecram3 ...I am a bit ocd...and there is a writer's strike...so what better to do than catalogue SLA. TV
19:44:26 Art Gelwicks : 0 1 10 11 100 101 110 111 1000 1001...
19:44:47 Sarah S : Konrad's session was fabulous
19:44:52 MariaK : But can you write my age in binary?
19:44:54 ecram3 : there is part of Conrad's on video
19:44:58 tkidd132 : Arthus was your session Streamed
19:44:59 tkidd132 : ?
19:45:02 ecram3 : *Konrad
19:45:03 khokanson : I think that someone is going to record and upload to video
19:45:06 debot : Good thing you can use the space bar art
19:45:12 ecram3 : it will be up on youtube soon
19:45:13 Art Gelwicks : Ummm....not with our getting into a whole HEAP of trouble.
19:45:14 Art Gelwicks : :)
19:45:19 MariaK : we don't have enough room in the chat for those 1's and 0's
19:45:19 khokanson : @tkidd his was recorded and up on the wiki already
19:46:03 khokanson : I want folks to add links to their notes, etc...to the wiki...
19:46:04 tkidd132 : @Khokanson Great I am going to blog a post on his...
19:46:06 Durff : anyone?
19:46:08 tkidd132 : Thanls
19:46:14 tkidd132 : Thanks*
19:46:16 Cathy E : http://educon20.wikispaces.com/
19:46:26 tkidd132 : oh thanks
19:46:54 tkidd132 : Yes...
19:46:54 cheryloakes multitasking : Durff, great comment, metacognition for us.
19:47:02 dougsymington : can't join via voice, but want to thank you all for
19:47:10 dougsymington : includingthe remote audience this weekend
19:47:14 Art Gelwicks : Appropriately you ladies are on a seven second delay...
19:47:14 tkidd132 : No English PLZ
19:47:17 cheryloakes multitasking : can't join, making my moodle for class tomorrow.
19:47:27 dougsymington : the organizers and students and guests all worked at that and it made
19:47:36 dougsymington : a big difference for those of us online
19:47:37 Art Gelwicks : :D
19:47:50 Art Gelwicks : Hey...that didn't sound good. :)
19:47:53 tkidd132 : wow......
19:47:57 MrChase : She can go to northern Cali.
19:48:03 khokanson : yep on http://educon20.wikispaces.com/agenda many of the session recordings have been embedded on the session pages
19:48:30 khokanson : too much noise house
19:48:50 tkidd132 : oh ok
19:48:57 kellyfan02 : hi i was wondering if someone could helop me with a driver i need
19:49:02 ecram3 : arthus, I disagree
19:49:14 dougsymington : @kelly what kinda driver?
19:49:21 arthus : why?
19:49:21 kellyfan02 : its for my webcam
19:49:30 ecram3 : it is students making themselves heard
19:49:56 Linda N : It could be that some students need to work on developing their voice.
19:50:14 MrChase : There's a plus to segregated panels and integrated panels.
19:50:20 ecram3 : and they can learn to develop thier voices together
19:50:29 khokanson : I think it would be a good idea to have a student showcase...WITH their teachers
19:50:38 khokanson : Marcie I agree with you
19:50:45 tkidd132 : Yes That would be great
19:50:45 ecram3 : teachers that care will not let the voices be devalued
19:50:54 ecram3 : it is a progression
19:51:01 tkidd132 : Really....lol
19:51:10 ecram3 : students need to stand up and be heard as students
19:51:17 arthus : you are assuming that students need to "develop their voices"
19:51:22 arthus : moreso than teachers do
19:51:34 tkidd132 : Yes Me...lol
19:51:41 Linda N : The goal and vision is to talk eye to eye as partners
19:51:42 MrChase : I'm more concerned with making sure both are treated fairly than with treating them equally.
19:52:00 ecram3 : maybe not you, but think how your leadership could help someone develop a voice that doesn' t feel like they have one
19:52:06 tkidd132 : Put me back
19:52:08 tkidd132 : lol]
19:52:24 khokanson : me too Cathy
19:52:39 arthus : but the very nature of drawing a rectangle and putting students in it segregates students
19:52:48 arthus : and says "your voice is not relevant"
19:53:02 ecram3 : I have always found a way to color outside the lines
19:53:03 tkidd132 : Hey Laura
19:53:13 ecram3 : artus and it seems so have you
19:53:15 debot : I think that often in panels students fell like tokens.
19:53:24 deacs84 : hey tyrone
19:53:26 Linda N : Not assuming just suggesting that students who have not voiced their thoughts may feel less apt and willing to share their ideas and engage in equal discussions
19:53:48 arthus : when you designate something as simply by students, the people who need to listen to the most are not going to listen
19:54:04 ecram3 : arthus I disagree
19:54:12 MrChase : As do I.
19:54:15 Linda N : I wouldn't ever want them to feel like tokens I value their ideas too much
19:54:16 ecram3 : you will loose some sure
19:54:19 deacs84 : you'd miss out on the whole Philly experience w/o cheesesteaks
19:54:20 Linda N : Starbucks!!!
19:54:25 ecram3 : but many will listen too
19:54:36 tkidd132 : Coffee......mmmmmm
19:54:43 arthus : if teacher does not listen to students already, then they are definitely not going to go to a student conference
19:54:55 MrChase : I don't know that they need to.
19:54:57 arthus : or will only listen to a student panel as tokenary
19:54:59 tkidd132 : I agree Arthus
19:55:07 tkidd132 : How come..Mr. Chase
19:55:08 Linda N : I agree Arthus
19:55:11 arthus : MRChase, so you think student voices are not important?
19:55:14 ecram3 : why do you want adults to listen?
19:55:17 arthus : or relevant?
19:55:26 arthus : because students are the customers
19:55:35 MrChase : No.
19:55:41 arthus : no?
19:55:42 ecram3 : but you are going to be the teachers
19:55:48 ecram3 : not us
19:55:50 Linda N : Kristin and MrChase went down that road
19:55:55 tkidd132 : Well....
19:56:01 khokanson : you missed our session
19:56:06 arthus : do you consider students as products or as customers?
19:56:13 MrChase : Neither.
19:56:17 arthus : then what?
19:56:22 tkidd132 : ??
19:56:28 ecram3 : students are the revolutionaries
19:56:31 deacs84 : I don't like either metaphor arthus
19:56:38 MrChase : Students, if they were something else, we would call them that.
19:56:40 ecram3 : PEOPLE
19:56:59 arthus : you call us revolutionaries, then think we should be ignored?
19:57:05 swagner : I was watching the ustream chats when they worked and twitter during every session
19:57:19 khokanson : http://educon20.wikispaces.com/SAT06RM301 check out the mind42 map and action plan notes
19:57:23 tkidd132 : HEy Sandy!!!
19:57:29 Linda N : @arthus neither
19:57:35 swagner : Heya Ty. Hello all
19:58:01 Linda N : @swagner i was doing the same
19:58:12 loria : hi Sandy
19:58:14 ecram3 : @arthus b/c I want you to lead your own conference you think I want you silenced? I don't see the logic
19:58:30 dougsymington : @Durff that was great (I'm in Victoria BC)
19:58:31 arthus : above, you said student voices need not be listened to
19:58:46 MrChase : No, no one said that.
19:59:16 deacs84 : Absolutely!
19:59:33 ecram3 : Chris L. is truly a leader
19:59:38 swagner : we need to be acreful though.. if the conference gets bigger it will lose some of what it was
19:59:40 arthus : when one calls a student conference, it is assumed it is for students
20:00:01 Linda N : then call it something else
20:00:07 arthus : but WHY have it?
20:00:13 ecram3 : lets blow up that assumption b/c you know what it does to you and me
20:00:15 swagner : agreed Arthus. It should not be student or teacher conference.. learner conferences!!!!
20:00:21 Linda N : the entire district's worth of bandwidth?
20:00:22 deacs84 : @arthus Does it not go to the element of trust between student and "teacher"colearners
20:00:24 arthus : why have a seperate confeerence?
20:00:31 arthus : honestly
20:00:33 deacs84 : shouldn't be separate
20:00:45 arthus : that's what they just argued
20:01:01 ecram3 : b/c students need to see you lead and teach them about these things
20:01:03 arthus : MRChase, why have a seperate conference?
20:01:15 arthus : students aren't the ones who need to hear this....
20:01:19 debot : I love being fried!!!
20:01:19 ecram3 : peer to peer has power
20:01:26 swagner : s Konrad's up anywhere yet?
20:01:29 arthus : students talk amon ourselves
20:01:31 arthus : among*
20:01:36 MrChase : Because there are that need to happen that are unique to the groups. For the same reason we have a Young Women's Empowerment Group at our school.
20:01:46 Linda N : @ecram3 That is my point so many students do not have the experience or belief in themselves
20:01:47 Durff : spontaneous combustion at
20:01:55 MrChase : Students do need to hear it, you may not, but many other students do.
20:02:11 arthus : so we shall go off in our corner and talk?
20:02:18 arthus : and teach eachother
20:02:22 tkidd132 : yeah
20:02:31 ecram3 : you are also comfortable around adults and can have great conversations wiht them, many kids can not
20:02:36 arthus : even if every single student agrees and has a voice, if teachers don['t listen it is no use
20:02:51 arthus : it doesn't matter if kids can not
20:02:52 swagner : even if they cannot, they need to hear the conversations
20:02:59 deacs84 : I like the comingling of students and teacherswith some separate spaces to address Chase's point
20:03:20 ecram3 : arthus it is over for us... you will be the teachers when this takes off
20:03:21 debot : Mr. chase I think that many more kids are articulate than we may think. They need to see us listening
20:03:21 arthus : many students need preperation for a conference like this
20:03:35 arthus : but not a seperate conference
20:03:54 MrChase : What did I say about students when I was speaking?
20:04:02 arthus : in?
20:04:04 tkidd132 : Why seperate the conference?
20:04:12 MrChase : On the program?
20:04:34 Linda N : @arthus thank you we do need to help prepare students for this that would be all of our jobs
20:04:40 swagner : I learned as much from Arthus, Tyronne, Meg eters, and the SLA students as I did from anyone at the conference.
20:04:58 MrChase : Totally, I agree.
20:05:07 deacs84 : @Ryan Didn't you think the powerful presence of students in our collab writing session was "key"conference would have been very different
20:05:18 arthus : would you have learned from us if we were at a seperate conference?
20:05:20 tkidd132 : Idk
20:05:24 tkidd132 : We might as well
20:05:30 tkidd132 : Durff
20:05:59 swagner : I would not have been there Arthus
20:06:01 Linda N : We shouldn't wait
20:06:11 MrChase : Arthus, do you remember what I said about students and the conference when I was speaking on the program?
20:06:16 tkidd132 : Well i depends arthus....
20:06:18 ecram3 : but future teachers will be there!!!
20:06:22 tkidd132 : it*
20:06:23 arthus : no matter how well students can articulate, if teachers refuse to listen it does not help
20:06:36 Art Gelwicks : Great job ladies!
20:06:38 cheryloakes multitasking : scott rigby, is our guest
20:06:39 arthus : MrChase, rearticulate? I must have missed it
20:06:53 ryanbretag : @deacs84 It was the highlight of my trip and I agree. If the students weren't there, the power of the message is lost.
20:06:54 cheryloakes multitasking : glad you kept going!! yes listen to making connections, then join wow@
20:06:59 Linda N : it does not matter if adults do not listen to adults
20:07:01 cheryloakes multitasking : great, loved listening.
20:07:06 tkidd132 : Your Welcome!!!
20:07:06 dougsymington : thanks for a wonderful show
20:07:14 cheryloakes multitasking : durff you and the cab
20:07:20 dougsymington : cya all again soon, I hope?
20:07:22 tkidd132 : Good Nighty
20:07:23 Linda N : Yea for real faces
20:07:27 swagner : @arthus read my post at edtechadmin.blogspot.com
20:07:32 ryanbretag : @tkidd132 great to meet you; best of luck!
20:07:32 khokanson : night all
20:07:34 Durff : nite all thanks for attending
20:07:35 swagner : night all!
20:07:38 MrChase : I said we needed more student presence at Educon, that students were the largest asset of the conference, that next year we need more students and more new voices (teachers and students). The difference is that I think there is also something to gain by having a students conference.
20:07:43 Art Gelwicks : Good grief...I really need to start blogging about this.
20:07:47 deacs84 : thanks all
20:07:49 swagner : Hey Ryan.. did you get your redbull?
20:07:54 tkidd132 : @ryan Great Meeting you too..And Thanks
20:08:05 arthus : @swagner I did, great post
20:08:17 ryanbretag : @swagner Ugh... this morning ;/
20:08:22 arthus : MrChase, yes more students
20:08:26 tkidd132 : Yes That is what u said Mr. Chase...Now that i listen back
20:08:28 arthus : but a student conference? for what?
20:08:30 Durff : notice ryan never said hello to me
20:08:34 arthus : honestly, what the heck for?
20:08:40 swagner : @bretag wow.. long wait. @arthus thanks
20:08:41 Durff : :)
20:08:47 ryanbretag : @Durff?
20:08:53 Durff : yes
20:08:59 arthus : students are at the lowest end of the educational change food chain
20:09:01 ryanbretag : What do you mean?
20:09:12 Durff : i mean you ignored me
20:09:14 tkidd132 : Really arthus?
20:09:15 MrChase : Because there are also conversations that need to happen with teachers outside of the room.
20:09:18 Art Gelwicks : Naah...tech personnel fall below them. :)
20:09:18 ecram3 : @arthus I disagree
20:09:25 swagner : no they are not Arthus.... we just make them feel that way
20:09:30 Durff : ecram3 you do?
20:09:33 MrChase : No, I don't.
20:09:35 arthus : yes we are
20:09:36 Durff : who are you?
20:09:43 arthus : we have absoluytely no authority
20:09:52 ryanbretag : @durff Hmmm... I don't recall ignoring you. Did you approach me?
20:09:55 arthus : all of our authority must be wrestled through parents or teachers
20:09:59 MrChase : At your school, Arthus?
20:10:02 Durff : yes ryan
20:10:05 arthus : at 99% of schools
20:10:07 deacs84 : if we don't model change as teachers, then how can we expect our students to feel anything but lack of trust and a sense that things can't change
20:10:12 Durff : butr i forgive you
20:10:12 Linda N : Ah many times adults also have no authority
20:10:17 swagner : teachers have less authority than you think as well.
20:10:22 Durff : i went out for a cab
20:10:25 arthus : oh, i know they do
20:10:28 ryanbretag : Wow... I don't recall that... sorry.
20:10:30 deacs84 : who has the authority then?
20:10:32 arthus : but they still have more than students
20:10:35 Durff : no biggy
20:10:37 arthus : superintendent
20:10:40 MrChase : Yes, they do.
20:10:42 MrChase : They should.
20:10:42 arthus : and above him DoE
20:10:44 swagner : lawmakers... state ed departments
20:10:44 Durff : like to tease people is all
20:10:46 ecram3 : teachers have VERY little authority or control
20:10:47 arthus : etc.
20:10:50 MrChase : They are the adults, something has to be said for that.
20:11:00 MrChase : Teachers and students are not equals.
20:11:04 Durff : i am not an adult
20:11:05 arthus : read swagner's post
20:11:08 tkidd132 : Wow The chat is going crazy i can't keep up with the conversation...:(
20:11:10 arthus : so I am not your equal?
20:11:15 arthus : eh?
20:11:15 Linda N : it is how you choose to deal and react to the authority that makes all the difference
20:11:16 MrChase : No.
20:11:20 Durff : no
20:11:21 arthus : why not?
20:11:23 ecram3 : no you are still growing
20:11:27 Durff : you are superior
20:11:33 arthus : ecram3, as are you
20:11:35 tkidd132 : ??
20:11:38 Durff : so there
20:11:42 ryanbretag : Night all
20:11:45 swagner : they dont need to be equals.. but they do need to learn together. A good teacher knows he/she does not know it all and can learn from kids
20:11:46 Durff : nite
20:11:49 tkidd132 : Nigt Ryan
20:11:59 arthus : it's a partnership
20:12:00 MariaK : goodnight ryan thanks for joining us
20:12:04 deacs84 : everyone looks for someone above them with authorityas opposed to delivering change by challenging te authority with authentic experiences for tachers and studentsthat is why this conference was so powerfulit brought enough of us together to see that change can happen
20:12:11 Durff : i am not a teacher
20:12:12 MrChase : Definitely, swagner.
20:12:17 ecram3 : I have experience
20:12:19 Durff : we are all learners
20:12:25 arthus : ecram3, I have experience
20:12:33 tkidd132 : same..........
20:12:37 ecram3 : I am not superioir I have just been around longer
20:12:38 arthus : you are clinging to the old bethoms of the world'
20:12:39 Linda N : I have teachers who beg for administrators to tell them what to do
20:12:43 Linda N : Pretty scary
20:12:45 dougsymington : A good teacher has no answers, just good questions
20:12:45 arthus : you have been around longer?
20:12:48 arthus : a fossil has too
20:12:53 deacs84 : @lindan THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
20:13:02 Linda N : I love good questions
20:13:05 Durff : sorry doug
20:13:10 Durff : my bad
20:13:10 Linda N : I love asking questions and listening
20:13:39 arthus : MrChase, you have more experience doing what?
20:13:46 MrChase : Arthus, degenerating to pseudonamecalling is not cool.
20:13:50 Durff : fishing?
20:13:55 Durff : hiking?
20:13:59 MrChase : I do like to fish.
20:14:01 MrChase : And hike.
20:14:02 arthus : kay
20:14:02 tkidd132 : Good Night all...It was a Pleasure to Be on the Show.....I would love to talk more about this conversation....Some one just keep me posted on the conversation
20:14:06 ecram3 : we must stand on the shoulders of giants
20:14:08 dougsymington : @Durff don't followno apology needed
20:14:09 tkidd132 : Im outta Here !!!
20:14:09 Durff : bike
20:14:12 MrChase : G'night Tyrone.
20:14:17 arthus : you know than me about fishing
20:14:23 MrChase : I do.
20:14:24 Durff : nite kidd
20:14:25 dougsymington : must run, look forward to continuing the conversation soon!
20:14:26 arthus : does that make you a superioor person?
20:14:28 dougsymington : take care all
20:14:32 Durff : nite doug
20:14:32 arthus : superior*
20:14:33 swagner : don't discount the experience and wisdom and maturity of the teacher....as long as they do not make it authoratarian. As a teacher I am here to guide.. not to tell
20:14:37 MrChase : I might, I'm not sure if you fish or not.
20:14:45 swagner : my experience helps me guide well
20:14:49 arthus : I don't fish
20:14:51 tkidd132 : c;ya Mr. Z Chase , Durff
20:14:57 deacs84 : nite all
20:15:02 Durff : nite
20:15:05 tkidd132 : nite
20:15:05 arthus : but before you claim "more experience" you must quantify it
20:15:14 arthus : of what your expeience is with
20:15:20 Durff : that sounds too scientific
20:15:25 swagner : and qualify it Arthus. Quality is just as important
20:15:34 MrChase : Ok, then I know more about fishing. I know more about English, I'm guessing, I know more about how the brain works and the law and living life.
20:15:47 arthus : have you studied law?
20:15:52 MrChase : I have.
20:15:52 tkidd132 : wait i need to stay ...this way i am not lost about this conversaton
20:16:01 ecram3 : I wasn't always a teacher
20:16:06 MrChase : Nor was I.
20:16:09 tkidd132 : really
20:16:11 arthus : okay, you have more experince about law
20:16:14 MrChase : But I've always veen a learner.
20:16:18 Durff : i need coffee
20:16:20 MrChase : been
20:16:29 arthus : I'll agree with you if you qualify those statements as you did
20:16:32 tkidd132 : Same Durff....jk
20:16:33 Durff : as fascinating as this all is...bye
20:16:35 arthus : but watch this:
20:16:38 arthus : I have more experience
20:16:42 tkidd132 : k
20:16:56 tkidd132 : n
20:17:11 tkidd132 : ??
20:17:21 tkidd132 : The Chat is Quiet What happen
20:17:22 arthus : I have more experience with social networking, web development, various languages, and discrete mathematics (I'm guessing)
20:17:35 MrChase : Sure do.
20:17:46 tkidd132 : WOW Arthus.....you have a lil more than me man....awsome
20:17:56 tkidd132 : lol
20:18:00 ecram3 : I love art
20:18:07 MrChase : I have more experience with society, networked or not.
20:18:20 arthus : do you?
20:18:23 ecram3 : and people
20:18:25 arthus : society is an organism
20:18:31 arthus : meaning, it grows and changes
20:18:32 swagner : Arthus, are you saying you dont need your teachers at all?
20:18:43 arthus : not at all
20:18:44 tkidd132 : that what it seems
20:18:46 arthus : teachers are needed
20:18:48 tkidd132 : Really
20:18:50 tkidd132 : ??
20:18:55 tkidd132 : wow...you good
20:18:59 swagner : what do you need them for?
20:19:00 tkidd132 : *your
20:19:18 MrChase : I think more importantly, I know more about what I don't know.
20:19:26 ecram3 : I think guides are needed Masters and apprentice
20:19:30 swagner : good point Mr Chase
20:19:33 arthus : I am defining teacher in the metaphysical sense
20:19:34 ecram3 : just like in art
20:19:40 tkidd132 : great point Mr. Chase
20:19:50 arthus : a book can be a teacher
20:20:01 arthus : and actually, I don't need teachers in all things
20:20:04 tkidd132 : Yeah thats right
20:20:12 arthus : or atleast not a person teacher
20:20:12 tkidd132 : Well thats true
20:20:20 tkidd132 : yeah
20:20:22 arthus : no individual taught me programming
20:20:23 Linda N : Everything in life is a teacher whether we learn from it is the question
20:20:25 tkidd132 : What a robot
20:20:32 arthus : Linda, couldn't agree more
20:20:45 Linda N : Or learn with it
20:20:58 swagner : I never said in all things. But there are many things I know and am good at, but could still use a teacher in.
20:21:00 arthus : Mrchase, do you believe you can learn something from your students?
20:21:01 H Songhai : check out "The Big Switch" by Nicholas Carr
20:21:13 MrChase : Of course.
20:21:22 arthus : then are they not your teachers?
20:22:04 Linda N : When I stuggle to reach a child I know it is because i have something to learn from them
20:22:05 tkidd132 : MY teachers learn from me everyday..
20:22:33 swagner : I agree there Arthus... every day I learn more about teaching and learning from students. More than I ever learned in ed classes
20:22:35 MrChase : They are, but more in the same sense that my little brother and sisters are my teachers.
20:22:38 ecram3 : there has to be a structure
20:23:06 arthus : MrChase, again: you degrade students as little brothers
20:23:42 arthus : the fact is: we are all teachers
20:23:45 arthus : and we are all students
20:23:53 swagner : I am glad I jumped in when I did, but need to head out. Good night and keep talking Arthus and Ty.. your voices are important ones.
20:24:06 MrChase : Only if you take it that my little brother is degrading.
20:24:23 arthus : true
20:24:37 arthus : but do you think you need to listen to your students?
20:24:41 khokanson : arthus... I think you are misreading MrChase and how he works with kids...Were you able to work with him...and studentts this weekend
20:24:43 MrChase : Of course.
20:26:08 debot : Bye all!!!!
20:26:18 arthus : Kristin, well when one throws up the paltry defense of "more experience" it immediatly gets my ire up
20:26:31 arthus : experience *must* be qualified
20:26:50 Linda N : How about different experience?
20:27:05 arthus : experiences are unique
20:27:17 Linda N : To compare experiences is learning
20:27:32 khokanson : but I think experience is relative
20:27:47 khokanson : and life experience comes with age...
20:28:00 khokanson : so yes, perhaps a generalization but...
20:28:11 MrChase : And I didn't truly understand the value of experience until I gained more of it.
20:28:14 arthus : experience can not be quantified
20:28:28 MrChase : Ok.
20:28:31 Linda N : to find connections between experiences helps each to understand
20:28:39 arthus : if experience is accepted as unique, then it can not be quantified
20:28:50 MrChase : Ok.
20:29:00 khokanson : I think the difference Arthus between you and the kids MrChase work with is they have learned to trust the authority figures to trust them
20:29:20 Linda N : but it can be explored, discussed
20:29:39 arthus : I agree, Linda
20:30:03 arthus : but nobody lacks any experience at all
20:30:23 arthus : thus, all relationships are twoway
20:31:24 arthus : and one individual cannot be named as "the teacher" and "the student"
20:31:53 Linda N : and trust is an essential ingredient in all relationships
20:31:59 MariaK : Good night everyone I need to go home this teacher is still at school!
20:32:00 arthus : Kristin, this is in no way a reflecton upon mrchase's teaching
20:32:11 arthus : having not been in his class, I can not know the dynamic that exists there
20:32:24 arthus : but I am simply working with the information presented to me
20:32:31 arthus : and the arguments set forth
20:32:40 MrChase : If I do not teach my students English, through facilitation or any method you choose, I am not doing my job. I will be fired. The reason my students are my students is because they do not know what they do not know.
20:33:07 khokanson : yep...we talked about that during one of the sessions...
20:33:19 MrChase : I learn from them everyday. I wouldn't have any fun if I didn't. But, I learn in the type of way that I learn from anything outside of a classroom, accidentally.
20:33:33 arthus : you can never truly do oyur job if you are afraid to lose it
20:33:35 MrChase : There is formal learning to take place in my classroom.
20:33:47 khokanson : What impresses ME about Mr case and the staff at SLA is how willing they are to ENGAGE in these kinds of conversation
20:33:59 arthus : Kristin, I agree
20:34:09 ecram3 : I agree too
20:34:10 arthus : it says a lot of MrChase that he is even here
20:34:31 MrChase : I'm not afraid to lose my job, I'm simply saying that is what would happen. I would lose my job, my dog would go hungry because I couldn't afford food and she would eat my fingers whilst we slept.
20:34:42 arthus : MrChase, but how do you know a student does not know more than you do on a subject?
20:34:50 MrChase : I ask.
20:34:57 ecram3 : I never assume that
20:34:59 Linda N : we talk
20:35:17 ecram3 : I have a really crazy learning difference
20:35:28 Incognito : don't you all have lives or something?
20:35:34 MrChase : Several times, you have said things that make me think you are under the belief that I don't listen to or ask questions of my students. In fact, that is the majority of my day.
20:35:39 MrChase : Nope.
20:35:54 ecram3 : and know that most of them come to me with more knowledge than I have
20:35:59 Linda N : this is our life talking with students, learning
20:36:30 arthus : MrChase, so what if a student does know more about a subject tha you?
20:36:37 khokanson : and that is what I meant in terms of your experiences vs the kids at SLA...I am going to venture to say that much of the reason why you enjoy the dynamics of this network is that perhaps adults in your learning environment dont engage in these conversations
20:36:38 arthus : are you willing to relinquish your control of the learning?
20:36:47 khokanson : on a daily basis
20:36:53 MrChase : I have no control of the learning.
20:37:01 arthus : teaching*
20:37:14 MrChase : I don't control the teaching.
20:37:18 khokanson : you should have seen his class today...oh wait, you can :)
20:37:44 arthus : Kristin, unfortunately most teachers are not like those at SLA
20:37:51 khokanson : you are right...
20:37:55 arthus : most teachers are like those at my school
20:38:25 khokanson : which is why your "experience" has caused your opinion of teachers from very few words spoken
20:38:30 MrChase : No, that's not true, I have a modicum of control of the teaching. I should. Were I to not "control" (and I'm more apt to call it direction) then I, again would not be doing the job I've been hired to do.
20:38:46 arthus : brb
20:38:50 ecram3 : arthus what makes us (teachers at SLA) different than the ones at your school?
20:39:00 Linda N : so we must continue to find ways to change abd make that difference
20:39:17 khokanson : I think your control is in your planning... you plan the content, projects, but hold the students accountable
20:39:29 khokanson : you provide the framework, model, and GUIDANCE
20:39:38 MrChase : And students must find ways to have conversations of what it means to own their learning.
20:39:41 khokanson : ok seriously...y'all depress me :P
20:39:57 MrChase : And teachers don't need to be in those conversations.
20:40:24 arthus : they don't?
20:40:26 MrChase : Students must own their learning through selfdiscovered personal directives. Otherwise, it means nothing.
20:40:46 ecram3 : I agree Chase
20:40:52 arthus : so it is fine for a student to be told he is wrong when he is actually right?
20:41:05 arthus : because a teacher has more arbitrary "experience"
20:41:13 ecram3 : that is perspective
20:41:18 MrChase : Not sure wher eyou're getting that one.
20:41:24 MrChase : where
20:41:57 arthus : if you assume most teachers do not need to have conversations with their students, that happens
20:42:19 MrChase : I don't think I said that.
20:42:30 ecram3 : I don't understand What happens?
20:42:44 arthus : [MrChase] And teachers don't need to be in those conversations.
20:42:47 ecram3 : We teachers tell you you are wrong?
20:42:56 MrChase : Right.
20:43:02 arthus : yes they do
20:43:09 arthus : I have been told I am wrong
20:43:13 arthus : blatantly by a teacher
20:43:42 arthus : how many students would dare to question that?
20:43:48 ecram3 : we make mistakes, but I don't know what you were "wrong" about
20:43:49 MrChase : the conversations about whether or not students are going to own their learning? To hold themselves accountable? To be curious? Those conversations are the fodder of students.
20:44:00 chrislehmann : O.k. What was being said about my hair?!?
20:44:01 arthus : ecram3, I was actually right
20:44:10 MrChase : It's pretty.
20:44:13 MrChase : There's a recording.
20:44:22 ecram3 : it is poofy
20:44:25 MrChase : Everyone likes it and wishes it was there own.
20:44:36 chrislehmann : It is, indeed, poofy.
20:44:46 arthus : okay, here it is:
20:44:50 chrislehmann : Brillopadesque, even.
20:45:01 MrChase : Shoot the sherbert to me, Herbert.
20:45:02 arthus : a teacher told us to put two spaces after a period
20:45:13 ecram3 : ahhhh
20:45:14 arthus : (when on the computer)
20:45:15 MrChase : Ok.
20:45:16 ecram3 : I know this one
20:45:23 arthus : I said, that is incorrect
20:45:31 arthus : he said: I know better than you
20:45:41 ecram3 : mistake number one
20:45:47 arthus : I said the MLA disagrees and that is a throwback to the days of typewriters
20:45:54 ecram3 : WOW
20:45:58 sendkathy : Lee Baber is going to set up a stream
20:46:05 ecram3 : good call with MLA
20:46:22 Linda N : Old habits die hard
20:46:26 arthus : he said that it is irrelevant and he went to college
20:46:38 arthus : and told me to stop "teaching other students wrongly"
20:46:39 MrChase : Ok.
20:46:42 chrislehmann : I think it's important to remember that there's always a way to say things such that people can hear them, though.
20:47:07 arthus : I am not saying you would do this MrChase, but this is an actual event
20:47:14 MrChase : Ok.
20:47:19 arthus : and occurs regularly in many of my classes
20:47:22 ecram3 : arthus I have to mentor my students when they are put in these situations all the time.... even at SLA
20:47:24 MrChase : Ok.
20:47:32 Incognito : attemptring to come back on air
20:47:40 arthus : ecram, mentor?
20:47:59 chrislehmann : Arthus yes... teach kids how to have productive conversations that move forward.
20:48:05 Incognito : chris can i call you?
20:48:10 ecram3 : model the correct or best come back to get the response they perfer
20:48:15 chrislehmann : Incognito who are you?
20:48:25 Incognito : oh sorry
20:48:28 Incognito : bad humor
20:48:30 arthus : ah, so this is my fault?
20:48:31 Incognito : durff
20:48:32 khokanson : and ecram that is one nice thing about the Advisory model at SLA
20:48:37 chrislehmann : Ah... sure.
20:48:38 arthus : once again, we turn it back to me
20:48:44 chrislehmann : It's not about fault, Arthus.
20:48:51 sendkathy : Durff is setting up a skypecast
20:48:51 Incognito : ok lee will stream
20:48:52 arthus : or about who needs to change
20:48:56 ecram3 : who said fault????
20:49:03 arthus : who needs to change*
20:49:11 ecram3 : no way you didn't do anything wrong but you do desire some thing
20:49:17 chrislehmann : It's about learning how to have a dialogue that ends productively.
20:49:30 arthus : and I need to learn that, but a teacher does not
20:49:39 arthus : I wish I had a videotape of the conversation
20:49:43 ecram3 : we as adults deal with the same situations, it is a power structure issue
20:49:45 arthus : okay, I have to go
20:49:47 arthus : be back
20:50:08 MrChase : What are you trying to get us to agree with here?
20:54:03 Incognito : do you want a showw?
20:54:15 Incognito : we're ready
20:54:42 sendkathy : I for one would love to 'hear' more about educon and any outcomes, plans etc
20:55:17 sendkathy : so, EdTech A or B ?
20:57:45 Incognito : hello
20:57:50 sendkathy : who is out there?
20:57:55 Incognito : do you want in the call
20:58:02 ecram3 : Chase, Hull, Lehmann
21:01:50 MrChase : Right, ready to join in.
21:05:18 Incognito : who would like in the call?
21:08:06 jepcke : is there audio?
21:08:27 sendkathy : yes
21:08:34 Incognito : yes
21:08:38 jepcke : which channel?
21:08:42 Incognito : jepcke
21:08:48 jepcke : hi
21:08:49 Incognito : can i call you?
21:09:14 jepcke : can't skype now, is that how the audio is going?
21:09:23 Incognito : yes
21:10:00 jepcke : bummer, can't be "at" the computer now, just wanted to listen. oh well, enjoy
21:10:03 jepcke : Thanks
21:10:10 Incognito : you can
21:10:15 Incognito : ETT A
21:10:33 lee baber : you can hear the audio at http://.com/listen then sandboxA
21:11:18 lizbdavis : Hi everyone
21:11:50 Incognito : liz skype name?
21:11:57 Incognito : matt
21:12:01 Incognito : hey
21:12:22 lee baber : Durff..would you like me to stream on ETTA instead?
21:12:45 Incognito : huh?
21:12:46 lizbdavis : lizbdavis
21:12:51 Incognito : ok
21:13:01 lee baber : let me see what i can do
21:13:14 matt montagne : hold up
21:13:33 lizbdavis : What's going on?
21:13:40 lizbdavis : Can someone catch me up?
21:13:49 sendkathy : impromptu
21:13:55 lee baber : go to http://.com/listen and go to SandboxA for audio
21:13:56 sendkathy : educon recap
21:14:07 lizbdavis : Who is talking?
21:14:13 sendkathy : durff
21:14:18 sendkathy : kathy shields
21:14:21 sendkathy : zach
21:15:12 lizbdavis : www.edtechpower.blogspot.com
21:15:18 Incognito : thanks
21:15:42 Incognito : stream running
21:16:03 matt montagne : hold on
21:16:19 cfoote : is this streaming?
21:16:29 Linda N : Yes
21:16:50 Linda N : go to http://.com/listen
21:17:20 Incognito : hi linda
21:18:12 Incognito : ETT A kristin
21:18:20 Incognito : yes cfoote
21:19:02 cfoote : who is talking now?
21:19:11 Incognito : liZ
21:19:25 Linda N : Liz Davis
21:19:28 Incognito : lizbdvis
21:19:29 cfoote : hi liz!!
21:19:36 Incognito : the one with the hat
21:19:46 cfoote : liz...that's a good point.
21:19:54 khokanson : not streaming
21:20:16 Linda N : go to http://.com/listen
21:21:25 matt montagne : can't let one wreck it...
21:22:58 matt montagne : takingIT global was mentioned in Tapscott's book Wikinomics
21:23:28 matt montagne : The owners of takingITglobal were part of the study group in Growin UP Digital
21:23:47 Linda N : The audio is really breaking up for me anyone else?
21:23:50 tkidd132 : Wow,,,,
21:23:56 sendkathy : night all!
21:24:06 lizbdavis : Good night
21:24:09 tkidd132 : Is this continued or a diffrent talk
21:24:22 tkidd132 : C;ya Liz
21:24:22 Linda N : Continued can't let go
21:24:31 lizbdavis : Is there still audio? I lost you all
21:24:38 MrChase : there is
21:24:59 lee baber : http://.com/listen sandbox a
21:25:04 lee baber : you sound fine durff
21:25:15 lee baber : everyone does now
21:26:54 lizbdavis : I'm still here
21:27:04 tkidd132 : i am too
21:27:09 lee baber : yep.. i will run the ustream next time!
21:27:11 lee baber : as well
21:27:21 lee baber : Hello Matt
21:27:21 Linda N : We were talking about EduCon and discussing the merits of a student led versus a learner conference
21:27:31 matt montagne : Hey Lee
21:28:20 lizbdavis : I just saw a tweet at 9pm
21:29:27 lee baber : i have a copy of the chat we had with Sheryl NB sunday mo rning on Channel1
21:29:31 lee baber : it was wonderful
21:29:46 lee baber : i am sending the chat to chris to see where he wants to put it
21:31:02 tkidd132 : Good Night Everyone...
21:31:12 Linda N : It was impossible to choose
21:31:19 lizbdavis : I totally agree!!!
21:31:28 tkidd132 : Im outta here!!!!
21:32:01 lizbdavis : We talk about student centered learning let's model it.
21:32:51 Linda N : arthus facilitated an amazing discussion
21:32:53 lizbdavis : I attended that session with Dennis
21:34:01 Incognito : hi alec
21:34:09 courosa : good evening.
21:34:36 courosa : audio stream?
21:35:20 Linda N : I agree time to take a break! take a rest!
21:36:09 lizbdavis : Good night
21:36:12 Linda N : Proof of the power of a weekend of learning and conversation
21:36:19 Incognito : nitr
21:36:21 lee baber : I can keep streaming!! :)
21:36:30 Incognito : it is proef
21:36:34 Incognito : proof
21:36:51 lee baber : http://.com/listen
21:37:47 janabernethy : hi linda
21:37:47 Linda N : It will take us some time to find a way to have the conversation with the teachers in our buildings
21:37:55 lee baber : http://.com/listen sandboxa
21:38:07 lee baber : for audio
21:38:10 Incognito : we're stopping
21:38:51 Linda N : Good night all!
21:39:00 matt montagne : bye bye
21:39:27 lee baber : Bye Linda
21:39:39 lee baber : Sure..
21:40:00 lee baber : Courosa stopped in and left before we could get him the stream
21:40:01 lee baber : Bye
21:40:36 Incognito : go home everyone
21:40:44 lee baber : OK Night Durff