EdTechWeekly#30 - Dave, Delicious Diigo Debate, Desperate DMCA Debacle

admin - Mon, 2007-05-14 13:40
 

He's baaack ... Dave joins us from the road as we discuss recent legal wranglings (DMCA "enforcement", Microsoft patents, internet radio, drunken pirate), explore web annotation and social bookmarking tools, mourn the passing of Skype Test Call Lady #1 and share fun and games.


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 18:48:27  JenMad ->  party can start!
 18:48:31  JohnSchinker ->  Jeff is here!
 18:48:39  JenMad ->  yugma at http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=113305470
 18:48:48  JenMad ->  we need a moderator "hint"
 18:48:57  JenMad ->  for the yugma ...
 18:49:11  JenMad ->  want the controls, John?
 18:49:20  JohnSchinker ->  okay
 18:50:41  JohnSchinker ->  audio?
 18:50:45  JenMad ->  here you go ...
 18:51:35  JohnSchinker ->  Stream sounds good
 18:55:13  JenniferW ->  I am here
 18:58:30  JenMad ->  http://trailfire.com/Technospud/marks/74869
 19:00:12  Cathye ->  I've been painting the outside of my house
 19:02:32  JenniferW ->  Happy Mom's Day -- Cathye
 19:02:43  arvind ->  hi folks
 19:02:53  JL ->  Hey Arvind
 19:03:05  Cathye ->  Thank you- it was a great day!
 19:03:12  JenniferW ->  great
 19:03:48  Cathye ->  Have you guys tried CamStudio?
 19:04:01  JenniferW ->  I have
 19:04:12  Cathye ->  Did you like it?
 19:04:15  JenniferW ->  I like it when I don't compare it with Cantasia
 19:04:27  sroseman ->  hello
 19:04:33  JasonR ->  Greetings
 19:04:42  sroseman ->  are you using Yugma
 19:05:11  Cathye ->  http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=113305470
 19:05:16  JenniferW ->  yes
 19:05:26  JenniferW ->  I meant Captivate -- sorry
 19:05:34  JenniferW ->  the Adobe one  --- :)
 19:05:50  JenniferW ->  I am muted too
 19:06:11  JenniferW ->  have you been partying Jen??
 19:06:24  JohnSchinker ->  That's pretty strong coffee she has there
 19:06:24  JenniferW ->  hello Alice
 19:06:57  arvind ->  we're not the only ones who find intros tricky i see
 19:07:11  sroseman ->  hello Jen; tried out your suggested SLURLS from SL
 19:07:18  JenniferW ->  and????
 19:07:25  sroseman ->  GRRREAT
 19:07:27  arvind ->  yours are still pretty impressive
 19:07:28  JenniferW ->  I learned how to make a kleenex box -- by the way
 19:07:32  alicemercer ->  Well, I can't talk tonight.
 19:07:44  JohnSchinker ->  Yugma is here: http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=113305470
 19:07:45  alicemercer ->  but I'll just type really fast in chat!
 19:07:47  sroseman ->  I had a an avatar makeover
 19:07:52  alicemercer ->  No yugma either.
 19:07:53  JenMad ->  http://groups.diigo.com/groups/edtechtalk
 19:08:00  sharonp ->  Hi all, just dropping in fro a moment or two befroe Mother's Day dinner...
 19:08:05  alicemercer ->  I'm on "old bessie" the desktop
 19:08:06  JenniferW ->  LOL - again -- are you a dragon again???
 19:08:15  JenniferW ->  happy MOM's Day Sharon
 19:08:22  sharonp ->  thanks, Jen
 19:08:31  sroseman ->  new hair; new outfits
 19:08:36  JenniferW ->  it is a Candian holiday too??
 19:08:41  sharonp ->  yup
 19:08:45  JenniferW ->  and just heard from Karen Eini -- she will be at NECC
 19:08:50  sharonp ->  big bouquet of flowers and all
 19:08:57  sharonp ->  OH Yippee!
 19:08:59  alicemercer ->  Hey fyi I can't get windows media player for edtechtalk stream working in firefox
 19:09:04  sharonp ->  can,t wait to see Karen
 19:09:07  JenniferW ->  have you booked your hotel room???
 19:09:14  sharonp ->  do you know if she is also going to be in Montréal?
 19:09:23  sharonp ->  yes ages ago.... why?
 19:09:25  JenniferW ->  not sure --- didn't think to ask
 19:09:27  arvind ->  windows media player, yuck
 19:09:31  JenniferW ->  shemight need to share a hotelroom
 19:09:33  arvind ->  :)
 19:09:40  JL ->  http://www.webheadsinaction.org/
 19:09:55  alicemercer ->  okay, it wasn't heated, but it was a discussion
 19:09:55  arvind ->  i feel trapped by del.icio.us because i have so many bookmarks there
 19:09:59  JL ->  http://wiaoc.org/
 19:10:06  sharonp ->  I might have something for her.... can we talk later about it?
 19:10:10  sroseman ->  I am in diigo
 19:10:15  JenniferW ->  where have I been??  has this been planned for a while???
 19:10:21  alicemercer ->  Yeah, the glitches are a reason to wait.
 19:10:33  JenniferW ->  WOW2 has Stephen Downes on this week -- huh, Sharon!!
 19:10:39  JohnSchinker ->  You can export your delicious links
 19:10:40  sharonp ->  yup
 19:10:46  sharonp ->  confirmed with him yesterday
 19:10:49  JenniferW ->  yup -- Sharon is INTEVIEWING HIM
 19:10:56  arvind ->  good point John. perhaps i am trapped by my own psyche
 19:10:59  JenMad ->  http://www.answers.com/
 19:11:06  sharonp ->  he is good to go - he will be at CADE in Winnipeg (Cdn Assoc of Distance Ed confrerence)
 19:11:19  JenniferW ->  which used to be ASK.com --
 19:11:22  sharonp ->  if anyone has any questions for Stephen....hint, hint!
 19:11:26  JenniferW ->  excellent excellent site
 19:11:30  JenMad ->  http://designedtoinspire.com/drupal/
 19:11:35  JenniferW ->  or it might have been called something else
 19:11:39  sharonp ->  love answers.com
 19:11:41  JenniferW ->  hmmmm ---
 19:11:45  alicemercer ->  Holy crud, how many links do we have today?
 19:12:18  JenniferW ->  look what I got
 19:12:19  sharonp ->  gotta take off .... have fun all - if you have any questions for S.Downes, please email me - [email protected]
 19:12:20  JenniferW ->  Results 1 - 10 of about 1,640 for technospud. 
 19:12:28  JL ->  http://blogher.org/node/19241
 19:12:49  arvind ->  that worldbridges definition could use a little updating since it is talking about wiaoc 2005!
 19:13:17  alicemercer ->  Hey, I can't see the link that I posted about flickr API widgets, etc.
 19:13:30  alicemercer ->  Jeff, you can steal it, just wanted to share.
 19:13:41  arvind ->  not the schoolboard, the school she went to did not give her her degree
 19:13:54  JenMad ->  http://info.jkn.com/
 19:13:54  alicemercer ->  I liked the blog post on that pirate girl
 19:14:08  alicemercer ->  There was more to it...
 19:14:10  JenMad ->  http://jkn.com/View?j=807453.267431947553
 19:14:14  Durff ->  I thought it was the certificate in Pa and teachingdegree?
 19:14:16  JenniferW ->  J -- Jump
 19:14:17  Cathye ->  I think the university gave her an English degree but not a teaching certificate
 19:14:19  JenniferW ->  KN -- Knowledge
 19:14:27  sroseman ->  facebook blocked in government offices here in Ontario
 19:14:30  alicemercer ->  Sounded like she "directed" high school students to her my space repeatedly after being told not to.
 19:14:34  JenniferW ->  hence  JKN
 19:15:32  alicemercer ->  How about annotating for students
 19:16:47  alicemercer ->  Am I the only one here who thinks it's a red flag when a student teacher is sending her students to her my space page where she has "party" photos?
 19:17:24  arvind ->  i think the red flag is almost bigger when a teacher is linked to a student profile where the students have drunken photos
 19:17:35  arvind ->  would a teacher get in trouble for that?
 19:17:43  sroseman ->  I was quite impressed with the connection SL and Google..
 19:17:45  arvind ->  that's why i don't let any students "friend" me
 19:17:51  alicemercer ->  I think so,
 19:17:56  JenniferW ->  i will mute again
 19:17:58  arvind ->  i am afraid of what i'll be linked to even though my profile is clean as a whistle, of course
 19:18:06  alicemercer ->  It depends on the jurisdiction arvind
 19:18:14  JenniferW ->  but if you want my SL builder link later -- let me know
 19:18:24  alicemercer ->  They are pulling credentials for teacher with DUIs here
 19:18:27  arvind ->  yay, dave!
 19:19:02  arvind ->  i swear edtechweekly is increase numbers faster than 21cl
 19:19:07  JL ->  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftechnology.g...
 19:19:10  alicemercer ->  I don't know how I feel about her having her degree pulled.. but I can understand concerns about credentialing her.
 19:19:16  JL ->  http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2078061,00.html
 19:19:23  JenniferW ->  But -- I have to say -- last night I read an article about college girls who are doing "services" online and having their tuition paid for .........that bothers me much more than someone drinking from a pirate cup
 19:19:37  JenniferW ->  Yes, Google is invading our privacy online
 19:20:03  JenMad ->  http://trailfire.com/
 19:20:08  sroseman ->  Google and Microsoft are battling for position
 19:20:11  JenniferW ->  and I don't think it is FREE -- when they sell your name
 19:20:28  arvind ->  women in control of their sexuality does not make me as a afraid as raising a generation where it is ok to continue objectifying women
 19:20:34  JenniferW ->  or follow your trail
 19:21:00  JenMad ->  http://trailfire.com/Technospud/marks/74869
 19:21:02  JenniferW ->  I guess I should have said "more friendly services"
 19:21:10  JenniferW ->  grins -- it won't let me say p o r n
 19:21:17  dave ->  yo
 19:21:22  JL ->  http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867
 19:21:49  JenniferW ->  I say the wrong date
 19:21:53  JenniferW ->  I saw
 19:22:00  JohnSchinker ->  May 28 is in the url
 19:22:11  JohnSchinker ->  2007/05/28
 19:22:43  dave ->  http://fluidproject.atrc.utoronto.ca/blog/
 19:23:00  arvind ->  that picture of Richard is awesome
 19:23:44  arvind ->  during the Bruce Sterling talk at south by southwest he talks about how Richard Stallman is unpalatable to most people. Podcast here: http://2007.sxsw.com/blogs/podcasts.php/2007/03/14/bruce_sterling_s_sxsw...
 19:24:16  JohnSchinker ->  There's a debate in ohio on whether to use moodle or sakai
 19:24:21  JenMad ->  http://www.seomoz.org/web2.0
 19:24:33  arvind ->  Moodle rocks
 19:24:47  arvind ->  for k-12 in particular. so easy to install
 19:24:52  dave ->  kinda like mood rings?
 19:24:56  arvind ->  i haven't installed Sakai in over a year to be honest
 19:25:24  JohnSchinker ->  Sakai is a bit hard to install, and it requires Tomcat, so it's a resource hog
 19:25:40  JohnSchinker ->  It is very scalable, though, so if you have many thousands of users, it may work better
 19:26:10  alicemercer ->  small group tonight...
 19:26:11  arvind ->  which for me in a small school, just not an issue
 19:26:18  JohnSchinker ->  right. Me too.
 19:26:43  JohnSchinker ->  But they're talking about hosted solutions for regions of schools -- maybe 20-25 school districts hosted on the same server.
 19:26:58  JohnSchinker ->  Moodle may not do that very well
 19:27:13  JohnSchinker ->  The school districts seem to be more in favor of moodle, though
 19:27:25  alicemercer ->  And they say that schools are psychotic in their approach to web, etc.
 19:27:41  JenniferW ->  http://www.google.com/educators/gta.html
 19:27:50  JenniferW ->  that is the link to Google Teachers Academy
 19:28:04  JenniferW ->  http://www.technospud.com/jwagner_googleacademy.mov
 19:28:10  JenniferW ->  there is my movie application if you want to see it
 19:28:45  JenMad ->  http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6183105.html
 19:29:26  JohnSchinker ->  I can do up to three links if you need them
 19:29:38  JenMad ->  http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6183105.html
 19:29:56  JenniferW ->  http://www.bloggerschoiceawards.com/
 19:30:27  alicemercer ->  Buy my product, OR ELSE!
 19:30:33  JenniferW ->  Winners will be announced on November 10th at PostieCon in Las Vegas, NV.
 19:30:40  alicemercer ->  Good luck!
 19:30:57  JenMad ->  http://sev.prnewswire.com/multimedia-online-internet/20070510/SFTH062100...
 19:32:20  JenniferW ->  Dave Cormier has 13 votes at Bloggerchoiceawards!!
 19:32:23  JasonR ->  Are there any metrics for Worldbridges/Edtechtalk
 19:32:48  arvind ->  who would do that for free Dave? crazy people
 19:32:54  JL ->  we have access stats, including file downloads
 19:33:12  alicemercer ->  Dave, they just don't get it....
 19:33:17  JohnSchinker ->  In canada, "near" means within a couple time zones
 19:33:21  alicemercer ->  America is a land of volunteerism...
 19:33:31  arvind ->  I wish Alice!
 19:33:46  alicemercer ->  You need some volunteers arvind?
 19:34:01  arvind ->  :) we had family community service day in school yesterday. certainly wished it was bigger
 19:34:09  JenMad ->  http://tools.atozteacherstuff.com/word-search-maker/wordsearch.php
 19:34:18  JenMad ->  http://designedtoinspire.com/ettwordsearch.html
 19:34:47  alicemercer ->  Seriously, sociology studies on U.S.  shows a VERY high level of voluntary participation, etc. Didn't Max Weber talk about it?
 19:35:08  alicemercer ->  Okay my link, which I can't talk about cause I have no working mic situation...http://www. flickrbits.com
 19:35:09  JL ->  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070510-senate-hears-the-internet-...
 19:35:10  sroseman ->  love the word "sorry"
 19:35:18  alicemercer ->  http://www. flickrbits.com
 19:35:31  alicemercer ->  Kewl idea jenn.
 19:35:37  sroseman ->  as a sub I never go anywhere without a bunch of wordsearches
 19:35:41  alicemercer ->  Or project on the white board and solve as a class?
 19:35:57  alicemercer ->  Who needs a smartboard? Well I'd like one, but in it's absence...
 19:36:56  JenniferW ->  we are getting the school pads at my school
 19:36:56  alicemercer ->  Woo Hoo, first digg now the fcc, the rabal rules
 19:37:04  alicemercer ->  I should be disturbed...
 19:37:06  JohnSchinker ->  Interwrite schoolpads are better
 19:37:11  JohnSchinker ->  But you can't write with your finger
 19:37:18  JasonR ->  Stumbled on a Mother's Day celebration in Second Life just now
 19:37:28  JasonR ->  Mostly motherly sculptures
 19:37:29  alicemercer ->  Oh John, I'm lucky to have a digital projector.
 19:37:37  JasonR ->  On the NMC campus
 19:37:40  JenniferW ->  yes JasonR -- in fact== you can attend a class to create a mother's day gift
 19:37:42  sroseman ->  where Jason
 19:37:43  JenniferW ->  in SL
 19:37:45  JenniferW ->  grins --
 19:37:53  JohnSchinker ->  Jason -- want the yugma?
 19:37:59  JenniferW ->  at 5pm PST
 19:38:49  alicemercer ->  Production values are going to heck...
 19:39:00  JoseR -> WiAOC 2007: I guess I'm the first one here
 19:39:05  alicemercer ->  in general, not here...
 19:39:07  dave ->  production values are not necessary
 19:39:09  JoseR -> WiAOC 2007: cool chatting with myself
 19:39:11  dave ->  high ones
 19:39:13  JL ->  http://20q.net/
 19:39:40  arvind ->  so cool
 19:39:46  JenniferW ->  gonna go play 20q now
 19:39:47  alicemercer ->  Yeah, well they are splitting. HDTV demands high value, but YouTube is .ow
 19:39:48  JoseR -> WiAOC 2007: reminds of the clip before toy story, where the old man was playing chess with himself
 19:39:50  alicemercer ->  low
 19:39:52  JenniferW ->  thanks!!!  :)
 19:40:36  JoseR -> WiAOC 2007: I just clicked on chat room link on edtechtalk link
 19:40:41  alicemercer ->  Is it like the handheld one?
 19:40:50  arvind ->  yes Alice
 19:40:54  alicemercer ->  k
 19:40:58  JoseR -> WiAOC 2007: It took me forever today to update java to new version
 19:41:32  alicemercer ->  Arvind, I hear that HDTV, is the ruin of many an actress because it shows all the pores, skin flaws. They're going to airbrushed makeup.
 19:42:02  sroseman ->  hmm
 19:42:04  JenniferW ->  I beat 20 questions  LOL
 19:42:09  JenniferW ->  gonna try again
 19:42:21  JenniferW ->  what do you mean SkypeLady??
 19:42:25  JohnSchinker ->  What were you Jen? Did you cheat?
 19:42:26  arvind ->  I have seen thath Alice, it is so interesting to watch. I think they need Photoshop for video now
 19:42:33  sroseman ->  my next pair of eye glasses will be HD
 19:42:35  JenniferW ->  I was Maria in the Sound of Music
 19:42:41  JenniferW ->  or Julie Andrews
 19:42:51  JenniferW ->  it thought I was Henry Fonda or Alfred Hitchcock
 19:42:55  JasonR ->  http://sl.nmc.org/2007/05/08/mothers-day-exhibit/
 19:42:58  JenniferW ->  nice show
 19:43:04  alicemercer ->  Actresses in socal need to stay outta the darn sun, lol
 19:43:15  alicemercer ->  You end up with louis vuitton skin.
 19:43:37  alicemercer ->  I would NEVER exagerate like that!
 19:43:44  alicemercer ->  ;-)
 19:43:51  arvind ->  play the Skype lady!
 19:43:57  arvind ->  haven't heard her yet
 19:44:16  arvind ->  see ya Jeff, good luck with that
 19:44:21  JenniferW ->  what is the Skype Lady
 19:44:22  alicemercer ->  http://www.flickrbits.com
 19:44:22  arvind ->  i meant Dave
 19:45:08  JenniferW ->  I have NEVER heard her before
 19:45:13  dave ->  she's new
 19:45:20  JenniferW ->  she sounds proper
 19:45:27  alicemercer ->  Way to posh
 19:45:28  arvind ->  oh no! new skype lady not as fun
 19:45:41  JenniferW ->  maybe international
 19:45:42  alicemercer ->  too posh
 19:45:45  arvind ->  someone please start a petitition to bring her back
 19:45:48  JenniferW ->  did the other one sound too USA
 19:45:57  alicemercer ->  something is wrong alright!
 19:45:59  Cathye ->  Sounds British
 19:46:13  alicemercer ->  It's not just brit, but posh brit
 19:46:18  JasonR ->  The old lady was a little harder to understand
 19:46:19  arvind ->  true, she is saying the exact same thing, weird
 19:46:33  Cathye ->  old is good :)
 19:46:40  arvind ->  i think the old one was a DMCA violation and Microsoft sued
 19:46:53  JenMad ->  arvind - tee hee
 19:46:58  dave ->  talk to y'all soon folks :)
 19:46:58  alicemercer ->  ouch,
 19:47:08  JenMad ->  bye - dave
 19:47:08  arvind ->   bye Dave
 19:47:25  alicemercer ->  Jeff, I would quit this line of discussion now
 19:47:31  JenniferW ->  sue????
 19:47:37  sroseman ->  yes
 19:47:43  JenniferW ->  come into skype please
 19:47:50  JenniferW ->  the link is to the upper right of the chat
 19:48:00  JenniferW ->  jeff has a ??? about Tapped In
 19:48:03  sroseman ->  I am trying
 19:48:08  JenniferW ->  excellent
 19:48:09  sroseman ->  just a minute
 19:48:21  arvind ->  i'm going to run folks, good talking to you
 19:48:27  alicemercer ->  It was Dave about the skype lady
 19:48:37  alicemercer ->  Mic won't work, sorry
 19:48:43  alicemercer ->  I can only type
 19:48:50  arvind ->  Jeff, we'll chat on Tuesday, right?
 19:49:10  alicemercer ->  I didn't know you could do that!
 19:49:13  JL ->  phone it in if you like -  1-603-574-4923
 19:49:21  alicemercer ->  I checked with Sharon or Durff
 19:49:35  Cathye ->  I called her about 100 times today- trying to get my laptop set up
 19:49:44  alicemercer ->  Sharon told me, I can't hear anything, and it says you have no sound card. She did a great job.
 19:50:45  arvind ->  jeff, u were only our 5th choice, not 18th!
 19:51:16  JenniferW ->  each week we DO thank EdTechTalk
 19:51:51  JenniferW ->  hmmmm
 19:52:18  JenniferW ->  night all
 19:52:22  JohnSchinker ->  Sue -- do you want the yugma?
 19:52:23  JenniferW ->  I seem to have lost SOUND
 19:53:42  arvind ->  goodnight all
 19:54:28  alicemercer ->  family trouble
 19:54:30  alicemercer ->  adios
 19:58:05  sroseman ->  http://tappedin.org/tappedin/
 20:05:41  Cathye ->  Notice that elementary teachers lead the pack
 20:06:08  Cathye ->  elementary teachers will do anything
 20:08:36  JasonR ->  Can't copy paste into chat.... :P
 20:14:58  sroseman ->  you should be able to
 20:16:35  JasonR ->  sroseman: Mac has problems with copy+paste and this Java chat
 20:22:42  Cathye ->  I have to let my hubby out of the closet  :)
 

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