EdTechWeekly #18 - SL Language & Culture, Citation Issues, & Post Show Fun

EdTechWeekly #18
SL  Language & Culture, Citation Issues, & Post Show Fun
February 18, 2007

This Week's Forums Topic: Community Introductions & Invitee Wishlist

18:52:56 JenM -> Hi! John!!
18:54:51 JohnSchinker -> -EVO 2007: Hey guys -- which chat room?
18:57:14 alicemercer -> How do you "paste" into this chat room?
18:57:36 JenniferW -> it helps if you detach your chat before you cut and paste
18:58:01 alicemercer -> Detach? You mean leave?
18:58:23 JenniferW -> I missed you so
18:58:25 alicemercer -> Howdy
18:58:37 JenniferW -> NO -- the icon to detach is 3 from the right
18:58:48 JenniferW -> forgot how to live a 40 hour work week!!!
18:59:09 JenM -> hi dave
18:59:11 alicemercer -> Woops
18:59:23 JenniferW -> my daytona guy is #4 -- so I shall stay muted so you don't hear my cheers or my sighs
18:59:39 JenniferW -> meaning 4th place
18:59:52 dave -> ya
18:59:56 dave -> yoyo
19:00:22 alicemercer -> Okay, I'm dialing skypecast now
19:00:30 JenniferW -> I am in skypecast
19:00:52 JenniferW -> cool
19:01:07 JenniferW -> I am in skypecast -- but not showing  :)
19:03:32 JenniferW -> we are muted right??? so I can type
19:03:38 jeff -> yes
19:03:41 JenniferW -> thanks
19:05:12 JohnSchinker -> If somebody's going to use the Jeff Han link, there's a direct link to the TED Talks: http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/
19:05:23 alicemercer -> Yeah, I was going to share that
19:05:31 alicemercer -> Other Ted talks, which are awesome
19:05:51 JohnSchinker -> I just heard about them on Friday, and have watched several already
19:06:04 JohnSchinker -> Very neat.
19:06:04 alicemercer -> Hans Rosling is still my favorite!
19:06:14 JenM -> http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk/20070218 here are our links for tonight
19:06:46 JenM -> if you want to share links with us tag them "for:edtechtalk"
19:07:12 alicemercer -> Hey I can't paste even though I detached, argh!
19:08:12 alicemercer -> Okay, Now I'm messed up, I closed window. I'm hopeless tonight.
19:08:58 JohnSchinker -> Alice... are you looking for a show *about* training teachers, or one that actually does it?
19:09:09 alicemercer -> About
19:09:21 alicemercer -> Cause that's what I get to do this summer.
19:09:34 alicemercer -> Adults much harder to "train" than the kids, imho
19:09:56 JohnSchinker -> Ahh... That would be useful. But I keep thinking that there are some podcasts that would make decent courses (security now, for example). If that model could be used to deliver PD, ....
19:10:20 JohnSchinker -> Adults are a lot harder -- they're much less patient. If you don't exactly hit their level, you lose them.
19:10:36 alicemercer -> Yep, I'm supposed to teach them HOW to make their own podcasts.
19:10:53 alicemercer -> Based on a tech class I took this summer, you have ALL levels sometimes.
19:11:09 JohnSchinker -> Do they already see the need for podcasts, or do you have to sell the concept first?
19:11:32 alicemercer -> Well, hopefully, since this is a "voluntary" course.
19:11:38 JohnSchinker -> :-)
19:11:57 alicemercer -> But you never know. I may try to pair experienced tech, with unexperienced in the seating?
19:12:06 JohnSchinker -> blech.
19:12:09 alicemercer -> If I get a group that is mixed.
19:12:21 JohnSchinker -> As an experienced tech, I get really annoyed when people do that.
19:12:27 JenM -> http://www.simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=Second_Life_Education_Wiki
19:12:28 JohnSchinker -> It ends up wasting my time.
19:12:58 JenniferW -> I just found them last night when I was stumbling
19:13:03 JenniferW -> stumble upon
19:13:08 JohnSchinker -> Teach to the lower level, but allow the higher level to go off on their own and take it further or faster
19:13:10 alicemercer -> Yeah, I always LIKE doing that myself, since I"m usually guarenteed to be one of the more experienced users. in a training.
19:13:28 alicemercer -> Yeah, I would like the higher folks to share some of their experience, apps, etc.
19:14:20 JohnSchinker -> Wikipedia? They shouldn't cite my blog either. There are lots of dubious sites online :-)
19:14:20 alicemercer -> Cite, is where you have support for information, not where you have been.
19:15:02 alicemercer -> I agree with not using wiki as a source for history classes at college level.
19:15:15 alicemercer -> As a former history major.
19:15:49 JohnSchinker -> http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4598
19:15:53 alicemercer -> They still let students access wiki, etc.
19:16:00 JohnSchinker -> Middlebury isn't alone
19:16:20 alicemercer -> Well, I was told NEVER to cite a encyclopedia when I was a history major.
19:16:39 JohnSchinker -> No one at the undergrad level should be citing an encyclopedia
19:16:52 alicemercer -> I don't think that's true.
19:17:00 alicemercer -> Studies are published on web, so you could cite those
19:17:21 JohnSchinker -> Right. Are you disagreeing with me or Dave?
19:17:23 alicemercer -> High school should transition OUT of wiki and encyclopedia.
19:17:24 jeff -> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72743-0.html?tw=wn_index_18
19:17:36 alicemercer -> Oh probably everyone, lol!
19:17:57 jeff -> http://techpresident.com/
19:18:02 alicemercer -> I have my kids using wiki and web, but also starting with primary in elementary.
19:18:28 JenniferW -> Our John Edwards????
19:18:34 JenM -> http://www.go2web20.net/
19:18:35 JenniferW -> truly -- I am impressed a bit
19:18:57 jeff -> http://blogs.zdnet.com/social/?p=91
19:19:05 JohnSchinker -> Good job, Jen. Thanks for saying the web site.
19:19:10 dave -> latest post on my blog for more on my feelings about academic writing
19:19:23 alicemercer -> There is a VERY interesting blogginheads, with a discussion of the Marchotte
19:19:25 dave -> http://edubuntu.org
19:19:39 alicemercer -> Dave, I'll have to check it out, lol!
19:20:56 alicemercer -> http://bloggingheads.tv/video.php?id=203&cid=1023
19:21:05 JenniferW -> so has John Edwards really been there??  or is just using this arena as another way to publicize???
19:21:14 jeff -> http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.1185401.0.0.php
19:21:23 alicemercer -> He hasn't at all
19:21:47 alicemercer -> If what happened with Marcotte is any indication
19:21:49 JenniferW -> so it is just publicity that he really won't know anything about
19:21:52 JenM -> http://www.whitemountaintech.net/wordpress/2007/02/17/senate-bill-49-pro...
19:22:46 alicemercer -> bloggingheads = these candidates and their experts have NO idea about bloggers, and don't know what they are doing.
19:22:57 JenniferW -> yup
19:23:04 JenniferW -> sound techie but no clue
19:23:59 Cathye -> Locking them up til 18 is a good idea (from a parent of a 16 year old)
19:24:03 alicemercer -> I still can't paste, darn it.
19:24:15 alicemercer -> They frown on that Cathy.
19:24:26 jeff -> http://www.filehippo.com/
19:24:26 alicemercer -> Tempting though it may be.
19:25:05 JenniferW -> ccleaner is at file hippo
19:25:05 Cathye -> She is grounded for EVER
19:25:16 JenniferW -> and CCleaner is GREAT
19:25:25 JenM -> http://scout.wisc.edu/About/index.php
19:25:26 alicemercer -> OH my 8 yo is getting on my last nerve Cathy
19:25:34 alicemercer -> Nice to know it'll never end!
19:26:09 JohnSchinker -> I keep telling my kids (7 & 5) that they're not allowed to date until they're married :-)
19:26:33 JenM -> http://scout.wisc.edu/Reports/ScoutReport/Current/
19:26:40 sroseman -> ten years of scouting
19:26:46 alicemercer -> So Dave, do you dislike all academic writing, or education writing, or what? If you sent the link, I missed it.
19:28:31 JohnSchinker -> http://www.webtvwire.com/judge-denies-appeal-that-deep-linking-directly-...
19:29:22 JenM -> http://learninglanguages.net/
19:29:52 jeff -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JcSu7h-I40
19:30:29 alicemercer -> Jeff Han is super cool
19:30:35 JohnSchinker -> Lots of the TED videos are really neat.
19:30:47 JenniferW -> congratulations
19:30:53 JenniferW -> about the VIDEO guys
19:30:53 alicemercer -> TED is nice. Just a coupla clunkers
19:30:55 sroseman -> multi faceted touch screen
19:31:12 JenniferW -> yes, that was a COOL video -- like the Tom Cruise movie
19:31:40 alicemercer -> http://ted.com/tedtalks/
19:32:03 JenM -> http://www.masternewmedia.org/image-editing/image-editing-tools/free-onl...
19:33:07 JenniferW -> sorry -- this is the link to the Video like Minority Report -- http://www.ncs-tech.org/?p=780
19:33:12 jeff -> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6156413.html?part=rss...
19:33:20 JenniferW -> so -- Vista has not been kind to you???
19:33:21 JenM -> http://education.independent.co.uk/higher/article2141963.ece
19:33:37 JenniferW -> but its SOOOO pretty
19:33:47 JohnSchinker -> Jeff: why are you using vista?
19:33:58 alicemercer -> TO have something to complain about?
19:34:21 JenM -> http://www.webtvwire.com/judge-denies-appeal-that-deep-linking-directly-...
19:34:26 JenM -> http://www.gnwc.ca/mdm/second_life.htm
19:34:38 JenM -> Here are all the links the guys were trying to push through :)
19:35:03 JohnSchinker -> :rolls his eyes. Downgrade to xp and wait for the dust to settle on vista, imho
19:35:15 alicemercer -> Okay, I finally got through all the links
19:35:21 JenM -> http://www.voip-news.com/feature/hacking-skype-020607/
19:35:24 alicemercer -> on del.icio.us
19:35:39 sroseman -> should Vista be installed on intel Macs..or should we Mac people wait
19:36:27 jeff -> what site is Dave talking about?
19:37:09 alicemercer -> Question, have you all done anything on diigo.com?
19:37:14 jeff -> http://www.edtechtalk.com/node/1506
19:38:29 alicemercer -> Your welcome, I need a life, lol!
19:38:30 JenM -> http://www.faststone.org/
19:38:34 lee -> yea
19:39:26 alicemercer -> sharon, you sick?
19:39:30 JohnSchinker -> Similar to, or better than wink?
19:40:17 alicemercer -> Ouch, kick him across the internet
19:40:20 JenM -> http://www.oculture.com/weblog/2006/10/itunes_learn_fo.html my next post
19:44:19 JenM -> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/560/10/
19:45:18 JenM -> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/584/01/
19:48:11 dave -> ha
19:48:21 dave -> did you read my post jenm?
19:48:28 JenM -> http://www.apastyle.org/elecmedia.html
19:50:09 JenM -> dave: No
19:50:28 sroseman -> a good read on Wikipedia http://www.pbs.org/teachersource/learning.now/2006/07/wikipedia_in_the_c...
19:50:46 dave -> i posted a  bunch of stuff about owl
19:52:19 JenM -> http://www.davecormier.com/edblog/
19:52:30 JenM -> http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=93
19:55:38 alicemercer -> I'm hearing about more folks doing thesis long distance with wiki.
19:55:47 alicemercer -> Sorry, that's my son who wants to rule the world
19:56:24 JohnSchinker -> He does rule the world -- he just wants to expand that world.
19:59:23 alicemercer -> Pierre Salinger anyone?
20:00:24 dave -> your son and i are going to have a problem... i want to too!
20:00:29 JohnSchinker -> Not knowing who Pierre Salinger is/was, I googled him. The first hit? Wikipedia?
20:01:01 alicemercer -> No,
20:01:17 alicemercer -> He was a FAMOUS journalist. I think he was in the JFK admin
20:01:54 alicemercer -> and he saw some web page on I think the Swiss Air or another flight that went down, and quoted it, and it was like bogus
20:02:12 alicemercer -> He thought he was breaking something that was hidden.
20:02:35 susanacanelo -> -EVO 2007: I'm trying to listen to Sand box B , but it connects and disconnects all the time
20:02:58 sroseman -> be a Bush speech writer http://www.actofme.co.uk/bush_speech/bushspeechwriter.html
20:04:00 alicemercer -> Life after ABC on the Wikipedia has the Salinger story.
20:04:11 JenM -> http://www.chalkandwire.com/
20:04:53 JohnSchinker -> http://www.osportfolio.org/
20:04:59 sharonp -> is there a skypecast tonight?
20:05:07 Cathye -> I have used one called livetext
20:05:41 jeff -> https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
20:06:08 alicemercer -> -EVO 2007: yes, but I don't have it.
20:06:37 alicemercer -> -EVO 2007: There you are!
20:07:52 alicemercer -> -EVO 2007: Can I ask about Diigo after this?
20:08:40 alicemercer -> -EVO 2007: How about that guy in Britain using Myst?
20:09:00 alicemercer -> -EVO 2007: You all had a link to him, didn't you? did you discuss (I missed that one)?
20:11:08 jeff -> http://chinswing.com/pages/discussion.aspx?id=e4fbaab3-462c-4eef-a277-6b...
20:11:27 sroseman -> Second Life add another dimension ..enriches the discussion
20:11:34 sroseman -> adds
20:11:39 JenM -> Thanks for osp site! There is a nice pdf that provides an overview that I'm reading right now :)
20:12:56 alicemercer -> -EVO 2007: I re-read the text chat
20:14:07 JenM -> Jeff: add your $0.02 here http://chinswing.com/pages/discussion.aspx?id=c7328a9f-3222-483c-9477-4c...
20:15:26 dave -> gotta head out dudes...
20:15:28 dave -> :)
20:15:34 JohnSchinker -> Thanks Dave
20:15:39 lee -> See you all later. I will join in tomorrow mrning with Jeff!
20:15:43 jeff -> later
20:15:46 dave -> nice to hang with you all as always
20:15:48 jeff -> bye
20:15:51 sharonp -> studies in web 2.0 tools in general have not had much research done
20:15:57 sharonp -> cya dave
20:16:09 sharonp -> check out those tetesaclaques vids
20:16:10 dave -> that research is something that I'm trying to push for
20:16:13 sharonp -> they are hilarious
20:16:14 dave -> cheers
20:16:22 JenM -> by
20:16:45 jeff -> http://www.timrylands.com/
20:18:57 sharonp -> I need a look like that....
20:19:05 sharonp -> lol
20:19:51 sharonp -> jeff I am sorry I missed the last 2 weeks of webcast academy - last week I was in maine visiting Cheryl Oakes
20:20:00 sharonp -> and today was with family....
20:20:22 sharonp -> but missed you guys.... and want to continue working on my webcast skills
20:22:07 sharonp -> have a great week everyone!