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EdTechTalk #79 - A Discussion with Curtis Bonk & Steve Kossakowski

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EdTechTalk#79
July 15, 2007

A Discussion with Curtis Bonk of Indiana University & Steve Kossakoski of SPDC
As Steve's ECD897 students and assorted memebers of the Bonkosphere listen in,  our guests discuss how educators and learning institutions can adapt to the ever increasing flow of emergent technologies at our disposal.
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Chat Log Below

19:59:50  dave ->  george... nice to see you...
19:59:56  gsiemens ->  hey Dave
20:00:00  dave ->  wassup?
20:00:11  gsiemens ->  see, I capitalize people's names cause I respect them
20:00:12  gsiemens ->  :)
20:00:25  gsiemens ->  great, thanks
20:00:29  JohnSchinker ->  Do you want to keep the Yugma, or kill it? Does anyone else want it?
20:00:30  gsiemens ->  how are you?
20:00:41  Jingjing ->  sounds good here
20:01:16  dave ->  fine gEORGE
20:01:20  gsiemens ->  hehe
20:01:28  gsiemens ->  DaVe - thanks man
20:01:31  Durff ->  la,la,la, fa. la, la
20:01:33  gsiemens ->  I fee much better
20:01:39  JenMad ->  canadians ...
20:01:39  gsiemens ->  feel, not fee
20:01:54  gsiemens ->  btw - aren't you in vacation mode or something, Dave?
20:01:55  JenMad ->  I don't always understand them ...
20:01:59  Jingjing ->  Sometimes I forgot to check my to-do list, so I start to use the integration function between Onenote and Outlook. I like this task function in Onenote, which allows me to set up another review anytime in the future with a reminder in Outlook.
20:02:04  dave ->  i never vacation
20:02:18  JohnSchinker ->  Do you ever work, dave?
20:02:26  JohnSchinker ->  Jeff, you don't really have tape, do you?
20:02:37  dave ->  that's why i can't vacation... i don't work
20:02:44  JohnSchinker ->  *grin*
20:02:47  Durff ->  the truth comes out
20:03:09  cjbonk ->  Hi Mei-Ya
20:03:18  mliang ->  Hi curt
20:03:47  atscogin ->  Do we have to log out of here for EdTechTalkB?? 
20:03:59  jeff ->  nope
20:04:03  Jingjing ->  you don't need to do that
20:04:11  jeff ->  you should be able to listen and text here
20:04:53  morourke ->  hi Steve
20:05:00  carlaarena ->  http://www.chinswing.com/pages/discussion.aspx?id=98c2b379-bd39-422a-9d6... chinswing about stereotypes
20:05:00  Sean ->  hey steve
20:05:59  dave ->  If you are not able to hear the audio... please click the 'listen' link under the chatroom
20:06:00  Steve_K ->  http://moodle.org/mod/data/view.php?d=13&rid=686
20:06:17  gsiemens ->  "Bonkousphere"?
20:06:53  morourke ->  Question for Steve- why are technology courses mandatory for new teachers or administrators- or at least courses that are more cutting edge?
20:07:14  morourke ->  not mandatory-oops
20:07:23  dave ->  :) i figured
20:07:34  JenMad ->  The "Curt Bonkousphere" http://php.indiana.edu/~cjbonk/
20:08:25  Steve_K ->  I wish such courses were mandatory....or, at least, the content should be integrated into other courses.
20:08:54  JohnSchinker ->  Teaching about technology doesn't help. It has to be part of something more important.
20:09:10  dave ->  yeah... agreed... it's too bad that we still feel the need to think of 'computers' as something separate from everything else
20:09:20  dave ->  words like 'elearning' make me crazy
20:09:21  morourke ->  agreed- but that is not even being done
20:09:27  jeff ->  Ten Trends
20:09:29  jeff ->  1.      Web Searching and the Digitization of Content to Search For (i.e., free online books; Darwin, Shakespeare, etc.) 2.      Enormous E-Learning and Blended Learning Demand and Opportunities 3.      Availability of Open Source and Free Software (e.g., Linux, Apache, Moodle) 4.      Leveraged Resources and OpenCourseWare (e.g., free courses from MIT) 5.      Learning Object Repositories and Portals 6.      Limitless Sharing and (or Learner Participation in) Open Information Communities (Wikipedia, YouTube, Slashdot, Digg) 7.      Electronic Collaboration and Interaction (synchronous and asynchronous) 8.      Alternate Reality Learning (Online Massive Gaming, Simulations, and Virtual Worlds; e.g., Second Life) 9.      Real-Time Mobility and Portability (e.g., iPhone) 10.     Networks of Personalized Learning (Blogs, Podcasts, MySpace, Flickr, and RSS)
20:09:51  JoseR ->  wow
20:09:58  JenMad ->  shout out to the Indiana University IST students! This is Jennifer Maddrell, a fello Distance Masters student
20:10:16  dave ->  fello... heh.
20:10:46  JenMad ->  that is how we spell in in the U.S.A.
20:11:10  JenMad ->  Canadian is probably the old version "fellow" ...
20:11:11  JohnSchinker ->  No, Je, we leave off the unnecessary "u"s, not "w"s
20:11:23  JohnSchinker ->  And "n"s, apparently
20:11:24  JenMad ->  John: my point exactly!
20:12:07  zberge ->  hey curt
20:12:10  JohnSchinker ->  http://www.local6.com/technology/13675075/detail.html
20:13:38  Jingjing ->  http://uk.current.com/
20:13:43  jrichard ->  Any thoughts on creating a blog for students through a school website.  How could we make our school better for students?  Good Idea?
20:14:32  JohnSchinker ->  Teachers are already doing that, but it's a bit more structured than just "how do we make school better".
20:14:43  gsiemens ->  not only adaptation
20:14:47  gsiemens ->  use for education
20:15:04  dave ->  and by education you mean?
20:15:13  gsiemens ->  Dave has an agend
20:15:15  Jingjing ->  I think it would be a good way for students to have a say by having users on the blogging system.
20:15:22  Steve_K ->  Jay....take a look at edublogs....http://www.edublogs.org
20:15:22  morourke ->  sounds like it could be incorportated to that initiative involving students and how they view their school- Sean what was that called exactly?
20:16:01  Sean ->  It slips my mind ...
20:16:28  morourke ->  remember it caused quite a stir in 7th grade when the students where answering those questions?
20:16:38  cheryloakes ->  28 people in the chat room. whew
20:17:04  Sean ->  yes, but the program name is in the rusty file cabinet of my mind
20:17:07  JohnSchinker ->  and it's working very well. You are all a pretty quiet bunch.
20:17:28  carlaarena ->  just listening, john!
20:17:34  gsiemens ->  Darren Kuropatwa does that with a math text
20:17:35  Sean ->  We're the wait an see crowd
20:17:44  jrichard ->  Stir with the teachers?
20:18:02  morourke ->  no with the students
20:18:28  cjbonk ->  anyone wants my journal article on R2D2 article with 30 examples, write to me cjbonk@indiana.edu
20:18:47  dave ->  :)
20:18:51  jrichard ->  They didn't give decent feedback
20:18:52  dave ->  wait and see eh?
20:18:55  cjbonk ->  Bonk, C. J., & Zhang, K. (2006).  Introducing the R2D2 model: Online learning for the diverse learners of this world. Distance Education, 27(2), 249-264.
20:19:01  Sean ->  Was it Follow the Child?
20:19:08  Melanie ->  are you talking about the "follow the child" survey developed by the depart of ed?
20:19:13  morourke ->  thats it!
20:19:15  cjbonk ->  Bonk, C. J., & Zhang, K. (in press). Empowering Online Learning: 100+ Activities for Reading, Reflecting, Displaying, and Doing.  San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.
20:19:16  Cathy e ->  How do you get an administrator already in a system to buy into ed-technology?
20:19:42  dave ->  are wikis free?
20:20:37  carlaarena ->  just started reading this report in New Hampshire Moving From High Schools to Learning Communities. New Hampshire Department of Education. http://www.ed.state.nh.us/education/doe/HSvision.pdf 
20:20:46  Guohua ->  Any experience  in having Wiki for group work?
20:20:55  dave ->  oh yes
20:20:59  dave ->  many experiences
20:21:03  dave ->  almost always a problem
20:21:09  jrichard ->  Steve- the link on edblogs was dead
20:21:15  dave ->  the most important issue are the scaffolds
20:21:17  Jingjing ->  http://travelinedman.blogspot.com/2007/06/it-was-quite-week-for-e-learni...
20:21:17  cjbonk ->  hi chin chi
20:21:18  cheryloakes ->  pretty comprehensive report isnt' it carla
20:21:48  Guohua ->  What's the merits and drawbacks, based on your experience of using Wiki for group work?
20:21:52  JohnSchinker ->  You're just paying for credit.
20:21:56  cchao ->  hi Curt. Been listening. Just got the chat setup successfully.
20:22:03  cjbonk ->  great
20:22:04  dave ->  short term work can be very powerfuly
20:22:08  carlaarena ->  yes, cheryl. the concept is just what we wish for, the problem is always administrators taking this step ahead
20:22:12  dave ->  if the goals are VERY clear
20:22:19  dave ->  and the incentive to do teh work is high
20:22:33  dave ->  most people are not comfortable with true collaborative writing
20:22:52  dave ->  but, for instance, a group of nurses who are trying to codify what happens in Triage
20:22:55  dave ->  it's perfect
20:22:57  dave ->  clear goal
20:23:00  dave ->  clear investment
20:23:02  JohnSchinker ->  It's hard to get a group to take collaborative ownership of a wiki. Usually, one person starts and "owns" it. Then, the others feel like they're changing the original author's work.
20:23:04  dave ->  clear end date
20:23:13  dave ->  too true john
20:23:47  JohnSchinker ->  I think people forget that they can edit them.
20:23:49  Guohua ->  What about requiring each and everyone to contribute, on a fairly equal foot and get credit for that?
20:23:51  Jingjing ->  http://www.wikieducator.org/Wikieducator_tutorial/What_is_a_wiki/Advanta...
20:24:28  dave ->  not sure how that would be possible without making the proces artificial
20:24:52  dave ->  actually... textbooks are a really good example of a situation where they can be used very usefully
20:24:56  dave ->  clear goal
20:24:58  dave ->  clear end date
20:25:03  carlaarena ->  well, we had an online course in the beginning of the year "blogging for beginners". the instructors started the wiki, then participants really contributed to it. No grades there. Just high motivation and willingness to try. http://bloggingforbeginners.pbwiki.com
20:25:18  Guohua ->  We are goign to try Wiki for goup work and would appreciate any experience in that. Any thought about this, Curt?
20:25:40  Durff ->  wikispace
20:26:07  Cathy e ->  if you register with wikispages as an educator they will give you the service--free
20:26:17  Jingjing ->  Are you going to set up wiki for group work as a case study or an experiment?
20:26:42  Guohua ->  for case study.
20:26:54  Jingjing ->  I think it's very important to decided your research methodology first and then try to convience yourself why and how you are going to choose wikis
20:26:57  JoseR ->  wikispaces worked well for webcast planning and ongoing collaborative work It's Elementary Webcast
20:27:24  cjbonk ->  Hey Baiyun
20:27:30  Baiyun ->  Hi
20:27:47  btrottier ->  Hello everyone...Brad just sayin hi!
20:28:34  Guohua ->  We used Acrobat Connect Professional for Webcast and are goignto use it again, since we bought a license. Did not know Elementary Webcast at that time.
20:28:38  gsiemens ->  Google = free (and they own our soul...and we'll pay in the future :))
20:28:42  cjbonk ->  yes, Guohua, wikis are good for groupwork
20:29:01  gsiemens ->  did that once with microsoft
20:29:07  sharonp ->  Peeps who pay for google ads would not agree about the free part
20:29:09  Guohua ->  what about ownership?
20:29:21  cjbonk ->  the word “free” is more akin to free speech than free beer. 
20:29:38  cjbonk ->  Lessig, Lawrence (2006, September). Free, as in beer.  Wired Magazine, Retrieved June 23, 2007, from http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/posts.html?pg=6
20:29:46  gsiemens ->  yes - there's a danger in educators tying in tightly with google and web 2.0
20:29:52  morourke ->  hi brad
20:30:08  gsiemens ->  cause they're free, but not in terms of data exchange ownership
20:30:09  JoseR ->  Guoha;  It's Elementary on Edtechtalk channel. 
20:30:12  Guohua ->  Thanx, Curt. What about your experience in using Acrobat Connect, previously Breeze. I read you used it for yur course. Any recommendation?
20:30:28  Guohua ->  Thanx, JoseR.
20:30:33  cjbonk ->  SAKAI (http://sakaiproject.org)  Moodle (http://moodle.org). Moodle Philosophy: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Philosophy  List of Open Source Tools: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/tools.htm  SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/  Richard Stallman homepage: http://www.stallman.org/  Free Software Foundation. (2006). The free software definition. Retrieved February 22, 2006, from http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html
20:30:37  JoseR ->  not a google kind of dude
20:30:43  Durff ->  wow - look at the wonderful people here!
20:30:49  JohnSchinker ->  I used Breeze once, and it was really nice. But I don't think it's worth the money.
20:30:53  Durff ->  hi sharon hi george
20:30:59  gsiemens ->  Hi Lisa
20:31:12  Durff ->  i should pay attention more often
20:31:20  JoseR ->  teachers out here all want to be google certified
20:31:24  Jingjing ->  hi Bennett
20:31:29  Bennett ->  hi
20:31:33  Bennett ->  :)
20:31:35  btrottier ->  Thanks for sayin hello...I didn't think anyone was with me
20:32:08  Guohua ->  I am a new guy hee. I say hello to u, btrottier:-)
20:32:54  gsiemens ->  spam is the wiki problem
20:33:02  Durff ->  hi guohua
20:33:02  gsiemens ->  not direct vandalism
20:33:04  dave ->  that and power
20:33:11  dave ->  power issues are a big problem
20:33:26  Durff ->  who likes power hmmm
20:33:45  dave ->  it requires a certain amount of power to comment on wikis
20:33:54  sgagnon ->  a napkin got us Reganomics
20:33:59  dave ->  it tends to marginalize both those who are not confident in their voices
20:34:05  dave ->  and those who are technologically uncertain
20:34:06  JoseR ->  My siblings and I are planning our folks anniversary using a wiki
20:34:19  dave ->  and, come to think of it, those who don't really understand how to use them
20:34:25  dave ->  that being said... I use them all the time
20:34:38  sharonp ->  what is the danger?
20:34:50  Guohua ->  Will there be someone who does quality assurance while using Wiki? It might be necessary, I think.
20:35:19  dave ->  quality for what?
20:35:22  gsiemens ->  some of the best uses of wiki are behind locked doors
20:35:36  JoseR ->  Skype is another collaborative tool. 
20:35:41  cjbonk ->  yes with passwords george
20:35:53  gsiemens ->  the collaborative elements of wikis are used, but the openness is abandoned
20:36:00  cjbonk ->  yes Jose we are using one
20:36:05  dave ->  and then power comes back
20:36:19  Guohua ->  For example, a group project.
20:36:28  dave ->  I'm thinking of... what's her name who we talked to in Moncton George
20:36:37  JoseR ->  I know that k12online team used wiki's and skype to prep
20:36:39  Durff ->  i'm technologically uncertain and it hasn't stopped me yet, delayed me, yes, but not stop me....i continue as annoying as ever
20:36:40  Sean ->  Welcome back brad
20:36:41  gsiemens ->  monique?
20:36:59  gsiemens ->  Samantha
20:37:14  gsiemens ->  Slade
20:37:15  Jingjing ->  I thought using the real name for wikis will be a way to assure the quality of the contibution
20:37:22  JoseR ->  Web 2.0 brings down the walls.
20:37:28  Jingjing ->  It's a way to build the online reputation
20:37:33  gsiemens ->  to dialogue and share - Jose
20:37:34  Jingjing ->  like facebook
20:37:39  gsiemens ->  but it's a superficial power
20:37:46  JoseR ->  yep gsiemens
20:37:46  dave ->  http://gta.umoncton.ca/pom/en/7.shtml see samantha slade on WIKIS
20:37:46  jeff ->  if anyone would like to skype in with a question, please let us know here in the chat room
20:37:51  gsiemens ->  the information is still locked and controlled
20:37:53  dave ->  best presentation on wikis i've ever seen
20:38:20  Durff ->  not in a wiki, george
20:38:24  atscogin ->  From skype.com, how can someone skype into this conversation?
20:38:32  Durff ->  no
20:38:36  dave ->  skype 'worldbridges'
20:38:40  JoseR ->  wesley fryer would have something to say here.
20:38:45  gsiemens ->  Yes, but unless we download the information...what happens when the site goes down?
20:38:51  dave ->  he always does :)
20:38:51  jeff ->  but let us know here first that you'd like to skype in
20:38:51  JohnSchinker ->  Jeff, feel free to kick me out of the conference if needed.
20:39:06  gsiemens ->  the gate keepers have shifted...but they're still there
20:39:07  Durff ->  why would the site go down?
20:39:14  jeff ->  no need John
20:39:20  gsiemens ->  bought, sold, bankrupt, etc
20:39:26  dave ->  yup.
20:39:29  jeff ->  feel free to jump in if you'd like john
20:39:30  gsiemens ->  i.e. if it's a web 2.0 tool
20:39:31  Durff ->  ah
20:39:36  dave ->  what's web 2.0\
20:39:38  Durff ->  good point
20:39:40  dave ->  ?
20:39:49  JoseR ->  Sites / servers should be owned by community. 
20:39:57  gsiemens ->  Dave - it's a term that means "we need an umbrella for many buzzwords"
20:39:58  Durff ->  web2.0=conversation
20:40:02  dave ->  we're working on that Jose :)
20:40:12  dave ->  LOL
20:40:16  dave ->  thanks george
20:40:19  sharonp ->  yes, it is probably wise to keep digital artifacts of wiki content - ie google docs can be saved as other file types and downloaded
20:40:22  Guohua ->  Participation and sharing are two main points in web 2.0, I think.
20:40:28  JohnSchinker ->  Web 2.0 is where the web meant to go in the first place
20:40:42  dave ->  oh john...
20:40:50  Guohua ->  I mean user participation and sharing.
20:40:52  JoseR ->  Cross posting. Backup etc...
20:40:55  dave ->  'meant'?
20:41:12  Durff ->  people are scared of the unknown
20:41:29  Durff ->  hence anything online
20:41:59  Sean ->  people are scared of change, particularly online
20:42:03  JohnSchinker ->  It is just as important to be able to edit the Web as browse it.
20:42:17  gsiemens ->  Dave - what's a learning management system?
20:42:21  gsiemens ->  :)
20:42:24  JohnSchinker ->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berners-Lee
20:42:33  Guohua ->  So, Wiki, Google are of typical Web 2.0
20:42:33  Jingjing ->  why do you think that people are scared of change, especially online?
20:42:55  Jingjing ->  I think stuff online has the property of changing when it was born
20:42:59  Durff ->  the unknown is always scary
20:43:01  sharonp ->  learning management system in my home = parents helping out with homework (tease)
20:43:03  Durff ->  untried
20:43:15  Jingjing ->  so people might be used to it's changing characters
20:43:19  Durff ->  and has nothing to do with the familiar
20:43:33  JoseR ->  I didn't want to change RSS reader I was comfortable.  I changed from bloglines to Sage just today.  After 3 years!
20:43:49  JohnSchinker ->  Interesting, Jose
20:43:59  gsiemens ->  If we're all teachers, who takes control of accreditation?
20:44:02  Durff ->  i chnaged from Bloglines to Google Reader
20:44:06  JohnSchinker ->  It took me a long time to find a feed reader that worked for me.
20:44:09  gsiemens ->  (and I agree that we're all teachers, btw)
20:44:13  JoseR ->  It's that old saying:  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
20:44:18  Durff ->  exactly george
20:44:19  JohnSchinker ->  I ended up with Thunderbird
20:44:34  cjbonk ->  hi Paul
20:44:43  Durff ->  i'm taking a very traditional course for that
20:44:45  Paul Gagnon ->  Hi Curt
20:44:48  JohnSchinker ->  RSS is like email was a better metaphor for me than RSS is like web pages
20:44:50  Durff ->  i had to pay
20:44:56  Paul Gagnon ->  Just got in so a little behind
20:45:05  Durff ->  and the instructor is not to be found
20:45:08  duanm ->  hi curt, it's minjing
20:45:20  JoseR ->  durff;  I just use wooden nickles
20:45:32  Durff ->  when i teach, kids and parents know they will hear from me with two hours
20:45:36  jeff ->  let me know here if you'd like to skype in to the conversation
20:45:44  Paul Gagnon ->  yes
20:45:47  cjbonk ->  Hi Mingjing
20:45:55  Jingjing ->  Thanks to the improving interoperabilitable capability, It think it's easier to change between RSS readers now.
20:45:57  btrottier ->  hey Jay, Aaron and I are goin to try to skype you...are you on skype
20:46:09  JohnSchinker ->  uh oh
20:46:14  gsiemens ->  Cause you and Jeff are so cool, Dave
20:46:19  gsiemens ->  that's why we're here
20:46:24  Baiyun ->  what is people doing different on skype from here?
20:46:38  Paul Gagnon ->  a ggod question
20:46:40  duanm ->  curt, have you started your conversation yet?
20:46:58  Jingjing ->  the audio stopped for a while
20:47:03  Durff ->   stop flattering them george
20:47:07  Jingjing ->  nope
20:47:07  cjbonk ->  yes
20:47:18  cjbonk ->  been for an hour
20:47:23  gsiemens ->  I've been a guest on their show before, if you don't flatter them, they are rather tough
20:47:24  carlaarena ->  that would be my question!
20:47:25  cjbonk ->  still going
20:47:34  Durff ->  jingjing - i use 'B' for that reason
20:47:37  dave ->  Durff - george is just bitter...
20:47:41  Durff ->  and then
20:47:42  Jingjing ->  I am OK now
20:47:42  carlaarena ->  how to convince administrators and training teachers for that!
20:47:45  dave ->  he's sucking up
20:47:58  JohnSchinker ->  George, you can also go the other way. Just give Dave a hard time, and Jeff will be nice to you.
20:47:59  Jingjing ->  happened just for 10 seconds
20:48:01  Durff ->  true
20:48:09  gsiemens ->  is that how it works, John?
20:48:15  gsiemens ->  I'll keep that in mind :)
20:48:17  dave ->  mmm... i don't like the way this is going
20:48:23  Durff ->  :)
20:48:29  Durff ->  we do
20:48:41  gsiemens ->  good point - re: access
20:48:41  JohnSchinker ->  George, I really liked your interview on Women of Web, btw.
20:48:52  btrottier ->  jay can you hear Aaron?
20:48:55  gsiemens ->   the discussion of wikipedia is centred on authority of knowledge
20:49:01  gsiemens ->  the real issue is of access
20:49:04  gsiemens ->   (thanks John)
20:49:09  JoseR ->  I have to remind myself that it isn't always about the hardware as in the tools.
20:49:12  cheryloakes ->  yes George, I was listening to it again the other day, cheryloakes wow2
20:49:15  dave ->  and a core set of literacies George
20:49:16  Durff ->  keeping our certificates should not be so rigid
20:49:18  JohnSchinker ->  It's one of those things you have to listen to 3-4 times
20:49:21  gsiemens ->  The hosts made the show!
20:49:29  dave ->  if everyone were starting at the same place
20:49:32  dave ->  we did not
20:49:48  gsiemens ->  dave, wow2
20:49:48  JoseR ->  The Digital Divide?
20:49:54  gsiemens ->  it's not always about you
20:49:55  Durff ->  i learn more in one day in an elluminate session than in this course i pay for
20:49:56  Jingjing ->  good, I have my new speaker~
20:50:10  Durff ->  i will never teach like that
20:50:10  carlaarena ->  don't tell me, Durff!
20:50:18  dave ->  it is too
20:50:29  Durff ->  yes me carla
20:50:32  gsiemens ->  ok, sorry, I'm mixing different elements of logic
20:50:36  JoseR ->  I find kids will do if it is engaging
20:50:39  carlaarena ->  just wrote a letter to Chris sessums. I'm taking a very expensive online course at University of Florida...
20:50:40  Durff ->  hi again sharon
20:50:57  Durff ->  online jose
20:50:57  btrottier ->  Jay are you still on????
20:51:04  Durff ->  i expected more
20:51:16  carlaarena ->  and you, know, it's a teaching online certificate and we're learning word, spreadsheets, etc!
20:51:20  carlaarena ->  not possible!
20:51:24  Cathy e ->  So.. If you have a group of administrators in a locked room for 4 hours.  What are the top 3 items you would discuss to encourage change?
20:51:35  carlaarena ->  and the feedback? Something like great job!
20:51:38  Durff ->  for all my learning, i;m getting 'read the book' kind of assignments
20:51:42  JoseR ->  Expect more.  Model more.  Produce More as a classroom communityr
20:51:45  carlaarena ->  great job should be abolished!
20:51:51  Durff ->  i need more conversation
20:52:15  Durff ->  you getting a certificate carla?
20:52:21  carlaarena ->  yes.
20:52:23  Durff ->  oinline teaching?
20:52:26  JoseR ->  great job!  You got a 3 on our blog rubric.
20:52:34  Durff ->  expensive?
20:52:35  carlaarena ->  but I learn so much more here, with the webheads, etc.
20:52:42  JenMad ->  Ohio?
20:52:55  carlaarena ->  it's at university of Florida
20:52:55  Durff ->  we're just abusing dave
20:53:30  dave ->  George has a book?
20:53:32  carlaarena ->  yes, durff, a certificate, although I have one from TESOL.
20:53:34  cheryloakes ->  carla I agree, webheads make the learning happen
20:53:37  dave ->  I've never heard him mention it :P
20:53:46  JoseR ->  Our district offers free courses,  the caliber is just as good as university classes.  Taught by teachers.
20:53:48  dave ->  actually... come to think of it... i've never heard him mention it
20:53:52  gsiemens ->  Bring it Dave.
20:53:56  JenMad ->  ... canadians ...
20:53:59  dave ->  that's true...
20:54:04  Durff ->  i do this to keep the PA certificate
20:54:06  JohnSchinker ->  Charter school. ECOT has not done particularly well when compared to the public schools.
20:54:07  dave ->  you don't shill that book very much George...
20:54:08  carlaarena ->  yes, cheryl. I feel that I'm learning so much more out here than through formal education...
20:54:16  gsiemens ->  www.knowingknowledge.com
20:54:21  gsiemens ->  dave, are you mocking me?
20:54:24  dave ->  nope.
20:54:26  cheryloakes ->  so really we make our learning happen
20:54:28  dave ->  was being serious
20:54:29  gsiemens ->  my canadian-type feelings are hurt
20:54:30  Durff ->  mine is just as bad as university classes
20:54:32  JoseR ->  Formal as in we form our education
20:54:40  gsiemens ->  (thanks for the mention, Curt)
20:54:42  JenMad ->  I'm attempting to mock Dave ...
20:54:55  Sean ->  I don't think that admin people don't want change, but we also have the school community (parents) often resistant to change...It was good enough for me ....
20:54:57  cjbonk ->  sure
20:55:04  Paul Gagnon ->  How do I join the Skype session, Curt?
20:55:17  carlaarena ->  yes. I guess it's to prove the point here, cheryl. but then not all kinds of learners are ready for this kind of chaotic learning we do around
20:55:19  cjbonk ->  1. Siemens, George (2006, November 12). Connectivism: Learning theory of pastime for the self-amused?  Retrieved July 11, 2007, from http://www.elearnspace.org/Articles/connectivism_self-amused.htm
20:55:23  JoseR ->  Change is good.  Until they want to change you.
20:55:28  Cathy e ->  yes- thanks
20:55:32  btrottier ->  Jay. are you on??/
20:55:36  cjbonk ->  d. George Siemens, The Changing Nature of Knowledge (4 short videos): http://www.homozappiens.nl/node/77/play
20:55:36  gsiemens ->  Dave is far better abusing live
20:55:38  JenMad ->  to join the conversation: skype "worldbridges"
20:55:47  jeff ->  1. In what sense has Worldbridge exceeded your expectations (or not met them)? 2. How has it changed your life? 3. What do you think is the key aspect of Worldbridges in terms of education? 4. Do you have a story or 2 of something really exciting educationally that happened via Worldbridges? 5. What might be the next phase for services such as Worldbridges?  What happens next?
20:55:49  cjbonk ->  a. George Siemons, Articles, Retrieved July 13, 2007, eLearningspace: Everything E-learning, from http://www.elearnspace.org/Articles/index.htm  b. Scholarship in the Age of Participation, George Siemens, Retrieved July 12, 2007, from http://www.elearnspace.org/Articles/journal.htm  c. Connectivism, Retrieved July 11, 2007, from http://www.connectivism.ca/about.html 
20:56:17  Durff ->  too fast jeff
20:56:21  Paul Gagnon ->  got it thanks
20:56:27  Durff ->  try one at a time
20:56:35  Durff ->  #1?
20:56:53  Jingjing ->  Why do you want to lock them in the room? If we image this locked situation, I think the first thing I am going to talk to them is the security on the Interent. As in the real world, thinking the Internet as a virtual house, we need to get in and get out safely and easily. The second thing is the access to the room and then the advertise the room
20:57:08  jeff ->  http://jefflebow.net/node/32
20:57:32  Durff ->  is that where they are?
20:57:44  cjbonk ->  Good thing Jing jing
20:58:00  Durff ->  you didn't
20:58:10  JoseR ->  Great Show;  clap, clap, clap
20:58:23  JohnSchinker ->  Jeff, access denied
20:58:44  Durff ->  yes John i got that too
20:58:53  JoseR ->  Is this a rant?  Jeff Lebow style.
20:58:54  JohnSchinker ->  It's on the yugma. I logged in
20:59:00  Cathy e ->  Worldbridges has changed my life as an educator and a person :)
20:59:00  gsiemens ->  Great show
20:59:06  gsiemens ->  thanks Curt
20:59:07  gsiemens ->  Steve
20:59:15  gsiemens ->  and Jeff and Dave
20:59:18  JohnSchinker ->  oops. No I didn't
20:59:20  Durff ->  someone give us a link or must we log in?
20:59:23  Jingjing ->  :) Sorry I am quite sleepy this late and I don't think my brain works properly
20:59:25  JenMad ->  Cathy E: ditto that, sister!!!
20:59:36  sgagnon ->  go jay
20:59:45  gsiemens ->  must leave...
20:59:56  JenMad ->  bye, George ... from Jennifer Maddrell
21:00:08  JoseR ->  night all.  Looking forward to podcast!
21:01:28  sharonp ->  world-changing event for teachers - yes, big for me this past year - you guys enable potential for powerful knowledge and information exchange
21:01:45  Durff ->  it's validating
21:01:51  carlaarena ->  true!
21:02:15  carlaarena ->  i've been learning a lot with everybody here
21:02:21  sharonp ->  and as we spread virally, I am seeing more and more students listening in as part of meeting requirement for a grad level or teacher training course
21:02:38  Durff ->  we hope carla you learn more....
21:02:48  cheryloakes ->  When I first started with Worldbridges, I was hooked and became a webhead class of 2006, then after listening to many podcasts I took the webcast academy, and now I am webcasting weekly. Plus, I get my technical questions answered anytime I call. For example, I wouldn't be teaching my moodle workshop tomorrow if it hadn't been for Brainstorm Thur. Stay alive, you are all my lifeline!
21:02:57  Durff ->  joiningh webcastacademy?
21:03:09  sharonp ->  .... though some of us come cuz we just like hangin out with such cutting edge peeps
21:03:20  cheryloakes ->  true!
21:03:23  carlaarena ->  sure, Durff. Ive been around for some time, but just now I'm giving my time to do what I intended to do here.
21:03:35  Durff ->  i know you have
21:04:07  JohnSchinker ->  Night, all. I've reached my limit for tonight :-)
21:04:23  carlaarena ->  because of Jeff during the Webheads in action in 2006 i started to speak up online!
21:04:28  Jingjing ->  night
21:04:50  sharonp ->  Jeff and Dave making us feel very comfortable finding our online voices - and I am grateful
21:04:56  jeff ->  http://www.webcastacademy.net/Spacecast_3
21:04:57  cjbonk ->  hi Jieum
21:04:58  Jingjing ->  I am lying on the bed and listenning
21:04:59  cheryloakes ->  Thanks to worldbridges for hosting the webheads graduation
21:05:01  carlaarena ->  and also gave voice to my students! http://sambaefl.podomatic.com
21:05:05  JieunLee ->  Hi, Dr. Bonk
21:05:07  Durff ->  and how do we include more international people
21:05:10  cjbonk ->  you are an hour late
21:05:16  JieunLee ->  really?
21:05:20  Sean ->  Off to read some bed time stories
21:05:36  Durff ->  we don't have anyone from Africa that i know of
21:05:39  JieunLee ->  it's 9 p.m. there?
21:05:50  Durff ->  9:05
21:05:54  zberge ->  curt, have to leave soon... good hearing this and your thoughts
21:06:30  cjbonk ->  thanks Zane
21:06:32  jeff ->  http://blip.tv/file/196504
21:06:33  Durff ->  webcasting to outerspace?
21:07:14  sharonp ->  Does anyone recall when two of my students who had been invited into a spacecst and chat room during a class later showed up later at a TTT webcast to check it out? Imagine two gr. 7 students breaking into a teachers' chat room!!
21:07:18  jeff ->  http://www.worldbridges.net/Worldbridges_meets_Alberts
21:07:35  cheryloakes ->  I remember that Sharon, it was very cool.
21:07:48  Durff ->  mine do incognito so far
21:08:17  JenMad ->  Albert!!!
21:09:04  Durff ->  really?
21:09:15  Durff ->  we need more of that
21:09:26  Durff ->  how can we facilitate that
21:09:51  Durff ->  oh pooh
21:10:13  Durff ->  never
21:10:30  Guohua ->  Thanx, Curt. I'd be interested in learning those Web 2.0 tools.
21:10:46  cheryloakes ->  email address again
21:11:20  Durff ->  I see 25 in chat room?
21:11:28  carlaarena ->  it was fantastic today, guys
21:11:38  cjbonk ->  Some Sample Web 2.0 tools and companies.  VoiceThread: http://voicethread.com/ 
21:11:39  cheryloakes ->  great show tonight, no one left
21:11:41  sharonp ->  my Internet was quite flaky tonight - will have to listen to podcast later - some great interesting stuff that I am grappling with - particularly OS vs commercial software
21:11:43  Guohua ->  On equestion, Curt: How do we sign on faculty in using new tools? It is often difficult for people like me (an Instructional Designer) to sign on faculty.
21:11:59  cjbonk ->  SnapGenie: http://www.snapgenie.com/  Chinswing: http://www.chinswing.com/
21:12:14  Durff ->  guihua - one person at a time
21:12:35  cjbonk ->  YackPack: http://www.yackpack.com/
21:12:39  Guohua ->  Good one, Durff.
21:12:47  Durff ->  that;s a great tool
21:12:48  cjbonk ->  Dotsub: http://www.dotsub.com/
21:13:08  Durff ->  i use yackpack with kids
21:13:12  Jingjing ->  http://www.go2web20.net/
21:13:13  Durff ->  and Meebo
21:13:31  Durff ->  Evoca is good too
21:13:48  cjbonk ->  sorry I cannot type the last one in
21:14:02  Durff ->  evoca?
21:14:17  cjbonk ->  no
21:14:23  Durff ->  or jingjing's
21:14:38  Durff ->  just click on the blue link
21:14:54  cchao ->  curt, what is the Chinese sounding one: ching something?
21:15:04  cheryloakes ->  email address again for curt?
21:15:06  Durff ->  chingswing
21:15:25  sharonp ->  Great show!!!
21:15:36  Durff ->  impossible
21:15:54  Durff ->  denada
21:16:02  Guohua ->  Recruit them into using tools for their course.
21:16:12  sharonp ->  I think maybe Guohua means how to get faculty to use tools to teach?
21:16:33  Durff ->  yes, one at a time
21:16:50  Durff ->  i show them a way to accomplish a task
21:16:51  cjbonk ->  cjbonk@indiana.edu
21:16:52  Durff ->  online
21:16:58  cheryloakes ->  thanks for email
21:17:00  carlaarena ->  http://oedb.org/library/beginning-online-learning/top-25-web20-productiv... it might be of interest
21:17:10  Durff ->  like Spanish practice podcasts
21:17:24  Durff ->  or bubbleshare is 2nd grade
21:17:26  sharonp ->  modeling and just-in-time support are musts
21:17:34  Durff ->  yes!
21:17:35  carlaarena ->  just like me, durff! I'm trying to learn spanish!
21:17:46  Durff ->  i know german
21:17:58  Guohua ->  Start simple and easy, show example, introduce them to other adopters. Thanks, Curt.
21:18:36  Durff ->  or do it and then show them the applications
21:18:39  Guohua ->  I have skype but not sure where to connect. Anyone help?
21:18:39  JenMad ->  Thank you so much to our guests and everyone in the chat room! Very fun night!
21:19:10  cheryloakes ->  great show tonight, I"ve been listening since 7 :30, through dinner!
21:19:11  carlaarena ->  we're listening to you
21:19:15  Durff ->  like the history guy using mp3 to record lectures and post on web
21:19:29  Durff ->  or using blogs for english
21:19:30  carlaarena ->  you can just call worldbridges guohua
21:19:40  Jingjing ->  skyp in worldbridges
21:19:54  Guohua ->  Thanks, carlaarena.
21:20:11  Durff ->  it's not more
21:20:17  JenMad ->  curt: good point! changes from one blog post to the next :)
21:20:19  Durff ->  it's instead of
21:20:20  HyEworld ->  thanks.
21:20:27  Durff ->  and it's faster
21:20:29  Claudius Rodgers ->  Dr. Bonk crrodger@indiana.edu
21:20:32  Durff ->  and easier
21:20:43  Durff ->  for example, rss
21:20:55  Durff ->  it makes my life easier
21:21:47  Jingjing ->  Thanks for your chapter, Curt
21:21:53  Durff ->  collaboration is the antithesis of competition
21:21:58  Cathy e ->  I would love to be added to your email list - cathy.evanoff@dare.k12.nc.us
21:22:14  cchao ->  me too curt, cchao@nccu.edu.tw
21:22:30  carlaarena ->  me too, carlaarena@gmail.com
21:22:36  lee ->  Thank you
21:23:25  Durff ->  carla - where do you live?
21:23:30  Baiyun ->  me too, baiyun@mail.ucf.edu
21:23:36  Durff ->  dave
21:23:39  Durff ->  stop that
21:23:57  JenMad ->  guest478: we're watching you ...
21:24:14  Durff ->  big brother is watching you...
21:24:34  Cathy e ->  Most 10 year olds are a mess
21:24:37  lee ->  Ahhh but we are working on it!
21:24:50  carlaarena ->  durff, I'm a brazilian from Brasilia, but I'm currently living in Key West, Fl
21:24:59  Baiyun ->  Thank you for sharing the session with me, Curt. I will come back later!
21:25:12  Durff ->  i thought you were here
21:25:25  Durff ->  but your skype says brazil
21:26:00  carlaarena ->  yes...I guess it's just because I'll be here temporarily and Brazil is REALLY my place!
21:26:18  Durff ->  cool
21:26:37  Durff ->  youthbridges
21:27:14  Durff ->  can i ignore our guest?
21:27:53  Durff ->  congrats!!
21:28:20  Claudius Rodgers ->  Got the article thanks
21:28:49  cheryloakes ->  that is what I used to say Curt! watch out
21:28:51  Durff ->  are you saying i'm talented>
21:29:04  Durff ->  my, do i have you fooled
21:30:45  carlaarena ->  Just sent a letter to Chris about the University of Florida course. Some feedback and he was so receptive.
21:31:22  carlaarena ->  I just felt comfortable to give him some feedback because I had been following him before through his blogs and online talks. interesting
21:31:24  Durff ->  ah the guest has left
21:31:40  JenMad ->  that "guest" is slippery ...
21:31:48  JenMad ->  sneaks in and out ...
21:31:55  Durff ->  where are you teaching?
21:32:11  Durff ->  carla
21:32:32  carlaarena ->  now, i'm not teaching. I'm on a two year vacation!!!
21:32:47  carlaarena ->  in brazil, I teach English at a binational center
21:32:48  Durff ->  vacation!
21:33:02  Durff ->  aren't you bored to tears?
21:33:16  carlaarena ->  my husband is here for his job and I'm here on a leave from my job
21:33:23  JenMad ->  sure ... one sec ...
21:33:26  jeff ->  http://php.indiana.edu/%7Ecjbonk/Syllabus_R685_Fall_of_2007.htm
21:33:28  carlaarena ->  not bored at all! Learning a lot online!
21:33:45  Durff ->  i should have known better
21:33:50  JenMad ->  Jeff is too fast for me :)
21:34:03  JenMad ->  THANK YOU!!!!!!!
21:34:08  carlaarena ->  for me, too, Jen!
21:34:11  JenMad ->  This was a lot of FUN!!!
21:34:39  lee ->  That was ...wonderful
21:34:43  Jingjing ->  Hi Curt, Thank you for such a great session. I am off to bed - it's 2:30 am. Talk to you later.
21:34:43  Guohua ->  Thanks for the good talk, Curt and Worldbridges. Look forward to reading the book chapter, Curt.
21:35:02  cjbonk ->  sure
21:35:08  lee ->  Thank you Curt
21:35:12  cjbonk ->  good night jingjing
21:35:16  Cathy e ->  Thank you
21:35:18  Jingjing ->  lol
21:35:19  cjbonk ->  great
21:35:25  lee ->  Night
21:35:29  cjbonk ->  :D
21:35:34  cjbonk ->  night
21:35:54  JenMad ->  Night all! "See" you next time lol
21:36:01  cjbonk ->  bye
21:36:09  Durff ->  nite...gotta go scan some pics....great show
21:36:12  jeff ->  thanks again to all
21:36:14  cjbonk ->  great
21:36:17  jeff ->  'night from Bow
21:36:24  cjbonk ->  good night
21:36:28  cjbonk ->  Bow
21:36:30  Durff ->  night johnboy
21:36:49  jeff ->  ( I live in Bow, NH)
21:37:22  cjbonk ->  bye minjing
21:37:26  cjbonk ->  bye Jieun
21:37:33  cjbonk ->  Bye Hye-Yoon
21:37:36  duanm ->  bye
21:37:43  cjbonk ->  bye Mia-Ya