21st Century Learning #58: A Discussion of the Issues Surrounding Social Networking Between Faculty and Students

We had an exciting conversation about the appropriate boundries that teachers should have between their personal and professional lives with their students, and how the Internet and Social Networking tools effect this relationship. Lucy Gray joined us about half way through our show to discuss Facebook and how college students are using it as a tool to learn, communicate and even get jobs.

Next week we'll be attempting to have a few students join in the conversation.

What are you experiences with Facebook, Twitter, or any other social network and your students? What boundries do you draw?

Click Here for the Chat Transcript.

2007-12-05 12:00:46 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Alice
2007-12-05 12:00:57 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Hi Arvind
2007-12-05 12:01:23 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: I won't be able to listen but am hoping to watch chat room
2007-12-05 12:01:29 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: sounds good
2007-12-05 12:01:43 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Vinnie!
2007-12-05 12:01:47 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Alex says hi Alice
2007-12-05 12:01:50 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: he's not in the chat yet
2007-12-05 12:01:56 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Hi Alex and Vinnie
2007-12-05 12:02:38 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: Hey Arvind. Have a great time at POCC. Heard great things from our teachers
2007-12-05 12:02:44 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Am also in a social studies class with literacy teacher giving pointers about commenting on blogs
2007-12-05 12:03:05 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: Hi Alice. Thank you for the nice card. It was very thoughtful
2007-12-05 12:03:06 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Vinnie, I'm back from POCC!
2007-12-05 12:03:14 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: :)
2007-12-05 12:03:15 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: cool Alice
2007-12-05 12:03:33 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: I knew that. fingers aren't used to working full eight hour days
2007-12-05 12:03:37 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: You're welcome Vinnie!
2007-12-05 12:04:11 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: ha ha, I know the feeling Vinnie
2007-12-05 12:04:17 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: Multitasking today, so may not be able to follow the chat room really closely
2007-12-05 12:04:24 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: no problem
2007-12-05 12:04:57 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Me too
2007-12-05 12:06:08 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: 3R's of commenting Responsible, reasonable and respectful
2007-12-05 12:06:18 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: good list
2007-12-05 12:06:50 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Kids are comepletely engrossed right now!
2007-12-05 12:07:05 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Lucy
2007-12-05 12:07:07 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: welcome
2007-12-05 12:07:09 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: Hey Lucy
2007-12-05 12:07:17 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: we're streaming on EdTechA below
2007-12-05 12:07:22 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi akarnt
2007-12-05 12:07:33 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Hi Everyone! Hi Arvind and Vinnie!
2007-12-05 12:07:42 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Hi Lucy!
2007-12-05 12:07:45 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Welcome.
2007-12-05 12:07:50 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: if you want to join convo, skype alex.ragone
2007-12-05 12:08:13 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Hi Alex, I finally got myself here!*)
2007-12-05 12:08:23 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: go ahead lucy, I know that you have had experience with this
2007-12-05 12:08:33 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: No, i haven't.
2007-12-05 12:08:43 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: I'm just trying to get my earphones untangled.
2007-12-05 12:08:57 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: New social network for independent school educators: http://isenet.ning.com
2007-12-05 12:09:17 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Ohh you're talking about Ning. I'm just getting audio hang on
2007-12-05 12:10:01 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Ning and other social networks.
2007-12-05 12:10:09 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: they are talking about student-teacher connections beyond school, including Facebook, MySpace, etc.
2007-12-05 12:10:24 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: I had a former student want to be my friend in Facebook
2007-12-05 12:10:28 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: and she used her mother's name
2007-12-05 12:10:33 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: it was odd.
2007-12-05 12:10:36 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: I ignored it.
2007-12-05 12:10:55 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Last year, I let students IM me.
2007-12-05 12:11:07 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Ohio recommendation on not using social networking sites if you're a teacher: http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2007/11/...
2007-12-05 12:11:17 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: I don't know if I would have continued in that vein; they generally had nothing to say
2007-12-05 12:11:25 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Email is fine for that sort of communication.
2007-12-05 12:11:32 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: with a HS student, I have been blocked by my daughters friends. Bad enough that Dad is in the same school, extending that to the electronic realm... Social suicide
2007-12-05 12:11:38 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Hi Cyndi.
2007-12-05 12:11:50 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: lol
2007-12-05 12:12:08 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: Robin, welcome. thank you for the thoughtful card. My wife and I will be following up with you over our Winter Break
2007-12-05 12:12:15 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Robin, welcome, EdTechTalk A below
2007-12-05 12:12:17 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: Hey,
2007-12-05 12:12:28 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: There's an after school program on digital media funded by MacArthur at my new workplace. The kids and mentors use a private ning and it works well for them
2007-12-05 12:12:29 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Cyndi
2007-12-05 12:12:38 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: I use Im and Twitter and Ning with my college class of future students
2007-12-05 12:12:45 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: has made the class much richer
2007-12-05 12:12:49 [Message] robinellis -> EdTechTalk: Hi Vinnie I am glad to hear Beth is home and I look forward to talking with you.
2007-12-05 12:12:49 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: http://spotlight.macfound.org/main/entry/akili_lee_designing_social_netw...
2007-12-05 12:14:26 [Message] robinellis -> EdTechTalk: Hello arvind and everyone
2007-12-05 12:14:41 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: The semester is about over but here is my ning site, join us!!
2007-12-05 12:14:59 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: http://tecs390.ning.com
2007-12-05 12:15:37 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: If you want to Skype into the conversation, Skype alex.ragone
2007-12-05 12:15:46 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: @cyndidannerkuhn tells me that this is not a valid ning site
2007-12-05 12:17:14 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: I think it's really interesting how teachers have jumped into Ning... what is it about the interface that attracts people of all ages?
2007-12-05 12:17:42 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Just look at Steve Hargadon's Classroom 2.0 . I'm astounded by the numbers that have jumped into that group.
2007-12-05 12:17:42 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: @lucyGray Safety I think, can be closed
2007-12-05 12:18:00 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Also based on common interest
2007-12-05 12:18:19 [Message] robinellis -> EdTechTalk: Dean Shareski asked last night in regard to twitter would you allow K-12 students into a staff room
2007-12-05 12:19:05 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: For me as a teacher, I think Twitter has been providing a valauble resource for sharing
2007-12-05 12:19:19 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Phil, audio on EdTechTalk A
2007-12-05 12:19:25 [Message] robinellis -> EdTechTalk: For me it does as well
2007-12-05 12:19:34 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Don't go to a bar in NYC? That would be tough. :)
2007-12-05 12:19:38 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: As Classroom 2.0 goes, I now wonder how many groups is too many
2007-12-05 12:19:41 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Twitter- thought it would be a big time waster, but find it more useful than I thought. (hello all)
2007-12-05 12:20:00 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Lucy --- that could be touhg.
2007-12-05 12:20:31 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: phil_g -- Yep -- the first time I got in twitter, I thought the same thing, but it's definitely been useful.
2007-12-05 12:20:41 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Amy, on EdTechTalk A below
2007-12-05 12:20:48 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: I keep finding new ones of interest and joining
2007-12-05 12:21:03 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Cyndi- yes...I'm on three Nings and 2 other networks...can't keep fruitful conversations going.
2007-12-05 12:21:39 [Message] abowllan -> EdTechTalk: hi everyone - great stuff
2007-12-05 12:21:42 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Stanford has a class
2007-12-05 12:22:17 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: I have a great Facebook story...
2007-12-05 12:22:23 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Do tell!
2007-12-05 12:22:30 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Lucy -- come on in and tell us the story?
2007-12-05 12:22:33 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Can I skype you?
2007-12-05 12:22:34 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Sure
2007-12-05 12:22:36 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: yep
2007-12-05 12:22:45 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: go ahead, skype on in. peer pressure, peer pressure
2007-12-05 12:22:49 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: lol
2007-12-05 12:23:00 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Skype me or skype you
2007-12-05 12:23:43 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: so for quit down and dirty Twitter seems to do the trick, I love that folks post presentation links and such, got to listen to Will Richardson the other day live in UStream
2007-12-05 12:24:32 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Lucy is talking about Tom's shoes right now: http://www.tomsshoes.com/
2007-12-05 12:24:57 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Back shortly, moving to my office....
2007-12-05 12:25:18 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: welcome Kristian, audio on EdTechTalk A below
2007-12-05 12:25:28 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Evening, how is everyone
2007-12-05 12:25:38 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: good afternoon from New York :)
2007-12-05 12:26:02 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Good evening from miserable Southampton, UK
2007-12-05 12:26:37 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Hello Kristian. Why miserable?
2007-12-05 12:26:51 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Unsurprisingly, its raining
2007-12-05 12:27:05 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Show from Teachers College that Lucy was intro'd to through Facebook: http://aftered.tv/
2007-12-05 12:27:06 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Stereotypical England
2007-12-05 12:27:26 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Clear here in Colorado
2007-12-05 12:27:36 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Funny, facebook has had mixed reviews here in the UK
2007-12-05 12:27:37 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Lucy!
2007-12-05 12:27:53 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: I read something earlier in the fall about how facebook is becoming the prefered user interface, possibly replacing the OS. May be the first networked based interface for the new generation (22 - 13 yr olds)
2007-12-05 12:28:10 [Message] robinellis -> EdTechTalk: My son lives NC a friend of his has been missing since 11/9 disappeared in Charlotte, NC Kyle Fleishmann they turned to Facebook to help search for him, he is still missing but it was a way for all of this friends to reach out and try to spead the word about him missing across the ocountry
2007-12-05 12:28:42 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: RE chat - here in the UK - Universities doing the same
2007-12-05 12:29:21 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6902333.stm
2007-12-05 12:29:30 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Vinnie- I heard the same
2007-12-05 12:29:51 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: UCAS - using SNs to attract students
2007-12-05 12:30:03 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Unic Application System
2007-12-05 12:31:00 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Is it appropriate? Would you read their diaries?
2007-12-05 12:32:29 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Ubelievably awful site that some kids used to bully other kids at my school: http://isgay.com
2007-12-05 12:32:42 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Facebook pressure brings back retro candy bar (chocolate bar) Wispa
2007-12-05 12:33:03 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: if you tell the truth
2007-12-05 12:33:07 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Wouldn't read diaries of course, but there are plenty of positive Facebook stories, so compelling, hard to stay away from wanting to use it in a positive way
2007-12-05 12:33:31 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Agree, fully supportive
2007-12-05 12:33:32 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Would love to use a social networking site for book discussions...
2007-12-05 12:33:38 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: but blocked at my school.
2007-12-05 12:33:47 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: I think kids use Facebook rather than email
2007-12-05 12:33:53 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Phil, install your own? Elgg, Moodle, etc
2007-12-05 12:34:06 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Yeah- we're looking into an Elgg
2007-12-05 12:34:08 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: beginning my parent class for 2008 February 5 through February 22
2007-12-05 12:34:12 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Oops I logged out by accidentally
2007-12-05 12:34:23 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Hi Lucy, hope your well
2007-12-05 12:34:24 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: but never used Elgg before
2007-12-05 12:34:39 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: @phil_g just ask the kids to get around the proxy or firewall. I am sure that they know how
2007-12-05 12:34:53 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: I use Moodle but the university I teach at spends a ton of money for Blackboard, but I like Moodle better so have on my own server, I am the rebel I guess!!
2007-12-05 12:35:03 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hi Derrall, audio on EdTechTalk A
2007-12-05 12:35:16 [Message] derrallg -> EdTechTalk: hi arvind got it thanks
2007-12-05 12:35:20 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: Never heard of Elgg, looking at it now
2007-12-05 12:35:22 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Our district supports Moodle too.
2007-12-05 12:35:33 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: This is fun! I'm glad I finally made one of these sessions
2007-12-05 12:35:39 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Ditto
2007-12-05 12:35:47 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for your comments Lucy, and all!
2007-12-05 12:35:48 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Phil -- Elgg is just a social network for education -- not being developed much at this point. I believe.
2007-12-05 12:35:50 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: ME too! Thanks for twittering it!
2007-12-05 12:36:07 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Do any of you use First Class?
2007-12-05 12:36:15 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Do kids IM teachers in FC if you do?
2007-12-05 12:36:22 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: UK students would be free this time of day
2007-12-05 12:36:30 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: 5:36
2007-12-05 12:36:57 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: @lucygray we have the chat feature off in FC now, but are considering turning it back on
2007-12-05 12:37:02 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: we use moodle and in some cases, for HS classes, teachers use the chat feature. Our Biology teacher uses IM for test review
2007-12-05 12:37:15 [Message] LucyGray -> EdTechTalk: Interesting
2007-12-05 12:37:17 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: First Class, what exactly is it?
2007-12-05 12:37:44 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Collaborative Program with Chat, web page publishing and e-mail
2007-12-05 12:38:00 [Message] robinellis -> EdTechTalk: Thanks everyone
2007-12-05 12:38:05 [Message] phil_g -> EdTechTalk: Great- thanks all!
2007-12-05 12:38:13 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: thanks everyone.
2007-12-05 12:38:15 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: link to first class?
2007-12-05 12:38:16 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: First class: http://www.softarc.com/
2007-12-05 12:38:20 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Thanks, fol.s
2007-12-05 12:38:20 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Thanks all! Great!
2007-12-05 12:38:22 [Message] cyndidannerkuhn -> EdTechTalk: thanks
2007-12-05 12:38:42 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: next week, same place, same time
2007-12-05 12:38:50 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: thanks for being here
2007-12-05 12:39:02 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Gd to meet you
2007-12-05 12:39:10 [Message] alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Please twitter it again. Really helps!
2007-12-05 12:39:20 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Will do
2007-12-05 12:39:34 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for coming Kristian, nice to get the across-the-pond perspective
2007-12-05 12:39:45 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Alex, would you like some students to chat with
2007-12-05 12:40:16 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> EdTechTalk: Hey, I can't wait to met both Arvind and Alex in person someday as well!
2007-12-05 12:40:17 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Kristian -- sure.
2007-12-05 12:40:24 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: I teach post 16, these guys emphasise the issues you highlight.
2007-12-05 12:40:37 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: That's be great.
2007-12-05 12:40:58 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: They are very keen to interact with staff
2007-12-05 12:41:05 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: We'll twitter about next week.
2007-12-05 12:41:09 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Being post 16 it gives you more freedom to talk
2007-12-05 12:41:15 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Yes
2007-12-05 12:41:26 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: that's what we're all afraid of, right :)
2007-12-05 12:41:29 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Considered it and let me know
2007-12-05 12:41:36 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Kristian, are you on Twitter?
2007-12-05 12:41:39 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Yes
2007-12-05 12:41:54 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: userid? i'm http://twitter.com/arvind
2007-12-05 12:41:57 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: I will have to check the schedule we play soccer oon weds
2007-12-05 12:42:00 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: hey Ngai, we just ended!
2007-12-05 12:42:12 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: podcast up shortly
2007-12-05 12:42:21 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: SKype ? 5 mins?
2007-12-05 12:42:41 [Message] derrallg -> EdTechTalk: Great i missed a great discussion, bye
2007-12-05 12:43:19 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: kristianstill twitter / skype
2007-12-05 12:43:36 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: Kristian, have to run right now, but will be in touch soon
2007-12-05 12:43:38 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: ok?
2007-12-05 12:43:53 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: No probs
2007-12-05 12:43:58 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: see you all next time
2007-12-05 12:44:04 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: plus the accents will be fun too
2007-12-05 12:44:18 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Twitter --- http://twitter.com/alexragone
2007-12-05 12:44:20 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: for sure
2007-12-05 12:44:21 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: One or two articulate and Digitally literate students
2007-12-05 12:44:22 [Message] arvind -> EdTechTalk: bye
2007-12-05 12:44:42 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Would love them to be part of it. I'll post an update when I post the podcast Thurs or Fri.
2007-12-05 12:44:46 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Take care everyone!
2007-12-05 12:45:02 [Message] KristianStill -> EdTechTalk: Enjoy your week
2007-12-05 12:46:13 [Message] alex.ragone -> EdTechTalk: Take care.