21st Century Learning #100 Andy Zucker on Transforming Schools with Technology

21st Century Learning #100
Andy Zucker on Transforming Schools with Technology
April 9, 2009

Andy Zucker, author of Transforming Schools with Technology: How Smart Use of Digital Tools Helps Achieve Six Key Education Goals and Senior Research Scientist at the The Concord Consortium joined us to discuss integrating education and technology in the classroom. 

A conversation concentrating on the core of what educational technologists should be working in this, the first decade of the 21st Century.

Click here for the chat transcript
 

2009-04-09 12:38:00  hi ->  aqnyone here
2009-04-09 12:56:25  sarah H ->  Hi Vinnie!
2009-04-09 12:56:25  VinnieVrotny ->  Hey Sarah
2009-04-09 12:56:35  sarah H ->  How is everybody?
2009-04-09 12:56:43  lisasjogren ->  Hi Sarah!
2009-04-09 12:56:47  sarah H ->  on your end?  Hi Lisa
2009-04-09 12:57:52  lisasjogren ->  Hello Vinnie!
2009-04-09 12:59:36  alex.ragone ->  hello folks.
2009-04-09 12:59:45  sarah H ->  hi alex
2009-04-09 13:00:01  mrsdurff ->  audio?
2009-04-09 13:00:08  VinnieVrotny ->  Welcome Lisa
2009-04-09 13:00:57  mrsdurff ->  hi
2009-04-09 13:02:00  JoseRodriguez ->  yo... what's up?
2009-04-09 13:02:35  JoseRodriguez ->  I'm on spring break this week and thought I'd joing y'all.
2009-04-09 13:03:01  VinnieVrotny ->  Hey Jose. Are you having a great break so far?
2009-04-09 13:03:05  lisasjogren ->  I am on spring break as well. But we have been working developing our online learning academy
2009-04-09 13:03:34  sarah H ->  my spring break is but a memory at this point. . . sigh
2009-04-09 13:03:38  VinnieVrotny ->  Lisa, you will want to listen to our past few episodes.
2009-04-09 13:03:49  JoseRodriguez ->  Sure am vinnie.. .not traveling just hanging out at home with the family
2009-04-09 13:04:32  VinnieVrotny ->  @ jose, that is the best spring break
2009-04-09 13:04:47  JoseRodriguez ->  is show starting soon?
2009-04-09 13:05:08  alex.ragone ->  Hey Guys.
2009-04-09 13:05:14  JoseRodriguez ->  Hi Alex
2009-04-09 13:06:11  JoseRodriguez ->  Usteam or shoutcast?
2009-04-09 13:06:32  JoseRodriguez ->  got it
2009-04-09 13:06:52  VinnieVrotny ->  Yes, @jose, they are working on the connections
2009-04-09 13:07:29  JoseRodriguez ->  been there done that
2009-04-09 13:07:35  JoseRodriguez ->  auido on ustream is good
2009-04-09 13:08:02  PeggyG ->  hearing you fine on ustream
2009-04-09 13:08:05  JoseRodriguez ->  I see only one side of conversation..
2009-04-09 13:08:22  alex.ragone ->  hey folks.  Can you hear us?
2009-04-09 13:08:26  JoseRodriguez ->  still only one side.. I think.
2009-04-09 13:08:28  PeggyG ->  not any more
2009-04-09 13:08:31  Susan Carter Morgan ->  say something:)
2009-04-09 13:08:41  JoseRodriguez ->  yes
2009-04-09 13:08:43  arvind ->  hi everyone!
2009-04-09 13:08:43  alex.ragone ->  we're
2009-04-09 13:08:46  alex.ragone ->  hey folks.
2009-04-09 13:08:50  mrsdurff ->  lots of air in audio
2009-04-09 13:08:51  PeggyG ->  was hearing two voices before but now nothing
2009-04-09 13:08:54  alex.ragone ->  Jose -- so you can hear us?
2009-04-09 13:09:00  mrsdurff ->  hear arvind
2009-04-09 13:09:00  JoseRodriguez ->  yes
2009-04-09 13:09:07  Susan Carter Morgan ->  It's quiet, tho
2009-04-09 13:09:18  mrsdurff ->  not hearing anyone else
2009-04-09 13:09:24  JoseRodriguez ->  a little background noise.... not a big deal......
2009-04-09 13:09:27  mrsdurff ->  fan?
2009-04-09 13:10:06  JoseRodriguez ->  cool.. so what' the topic today?
2009-04-09 13:10:18  mrsdurff ->  is it just arvind today?
2009-04-09 13:10:28  alex.ragone ->  arvind is here.
2009-04-09 13:10:29  mrsdurff ->  nope
2009-04-09 13:10:35  mrsdurff ->  just you
2009-04-09 13:10:38  PeggyG ->  only arvind
2009-04-09 13:10:45  JoseRodriguez ->  yep...
2009-04-09 13:10:54  mrsdurff ->  song and dance time arvind
2009-04-09 13:10:55  JoseRodriguez ->  are you on a mac?
2009-04-09 13:11:02  alex.ragone ->  no -- pc
2009-04-09 13:11:11  VinnieVrotny ->  welcome Peggy and Susan
2009-04-09 13:11:16  JoseRodriguez ->  vista or xp?
2009-04-09 13:11:20  alex.ragone ->  xp
2009-04-09 13:11:20  VinnieVrotny ->  and welcome @tsimon
2009-04-09 13:11:23  Susan Carter Morgan ->  Hello
2009-04-09 13:11:23  PeggyG ->  Hi Vinnie-great to be here!
2009-04-09 13:11:31  alex.ragone ->  Hello susan.
2009-04-09 13:11:42  JoseRodriguez ->  then select soundcard....
2009-04-09 13:12:00  PeggyG ->  it's a tech challenging kind of day--Will Richardson had a number of "drops" during his ustream session with Kathleen Yancey this morning!
2009-04-09 13:12:01  tsimon ->  @vvrotny saw this on your Twitter post, thought I would check it out today.
2009-04-09 13:12:06  Susan Carter Morgan ->  Hi Alex...are you set for May 1?
2009-04-09 13:12:26  JoseRodriguez ->  sequence....
2009-04-09 13:12:34  alex.ragone ->  Susan -- I'm good.
2009-04-09 13:12:45  Susan Carter Morgan ->  Great...looking forward to gathering again
2009-04-09 13:12:50  VinnieVrotny ->  I thought  Will Richardson was meeting with Kathleen at the same time as this webcast
2009-04-09 13:13:05  JoseRodriguez ->  do you need a guest streamer?
2009-04-09 13:13:11  Susan Carter Morgan ->  Vinnie, I think it was at noon. I ws teaching
2009-04-09 13:13:16  VinnieVrotny ->  @susan. It was great "seeing" you at VAIS
2009-04-09 13:13:19  PeggyG ->  It just finished and it was awesome!!
2009-04-09 13:13:36  Susan Carter Morgan ->  Yes, for sure. Lots of fun. You were great!!
2009-04-09 13:13:38  VinnieVrotny ->  But knowing Will, it is archived and I can listen later. Do you have the link
2009-04-09 13:13:43  PeggyG ->  I'm sure the recording will be posted soon.
2009-04-09 13:13:54  PeggyG ->  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/plp-live
2009-04-09 13:14:01  mrsdurff ->  hearing arvind
2009-04-09 13:14:12  VinnieVrotny ->  @susan thanks. It is difficult doing a presentation that way. No facial feedback
2009-04-09 13:14:13  sarah H ->  Will said he was going to archive and put it on his blog if that helps
2009-04-09 13:14:22  PeggyG ->  he probably has some editing to do because of the number of lost connections
2009-04-09 13:14:37  VinnieVrotny ->  @sarah thanks, I will look forward to seeing it there then
2009-04-09 13:14:54  alex.ragone ->  hey folks. 
2009-04-09 13:14:59  alex.ragone ->  we're on edtechtalk a
2009-04-09 13:15:12  JoseRodriguez ->  I hear music on ETT A :-)
2009-04-09 13:15:25  JoseRodriguez ->  o did for a bit
2009-04-09 13:15:56  PeggyG ->  I heard music too but it was because my iTunes went to the next song below ETT stream :-)
2009-04-09 13:16:04  JoseRodriguez ->  still only arvind I think
2009-04-09 13:16:11  arvind ->  ack one sec
2009-04-09 13:16:14  alex.ragone ->  ok.
2009-04-09 13:17:08  JoseRodriguez ->  low audio coming in..
2009-04-09 13:17:25  alex.ragone ->  great. Thanks, Jose.
2009-04-09 13:17:39  alex.ragone ->  arvind's under the gun today;-)
2009-04-09 13:17:42  JoseRodriguez ->  now no audio...
2009-04-09 13:17:47  JoseRodriguez ->  back?
2009-04-09 13:17:48  mrsdurff ->  are we on?
2009-04-09 13:17:49  arvind ->  ok, think we're getting audio now on the stream
2009-04-09 13:17:53  arvind ->  it might be low
2009-04-09 13:18:02  alex.ragone ->  I forgot my blue so arvind is streaming.
2009-04-09 13:18:13  arvind ->  and not doing a good job of it!
2009-04-09 13:18:32  JoseRodriguez ->  arvind are you using your virtual audio cables?
2009-04-09 13:18:36  arvind ->  I am
2009-04-09 13:18:49  arvind ->  and outputting to Realtek HD Audio
2009-04-09 13:19:13  mrsdurff ->  say sth
2009-04-09 13:19:16  JoseRodriguez ->  Do you need a back up streamer? I can set up ustream and be up in 2-3 min.
2009-04-09 13:19:30  mrsdurff ->  let him guys
2009-04-09 13:19:39  mrsdurff ->  he's really good
2009-04-09 13:19:51  JoseRodriguez ->  not really but I can try
2009-04-09 13:19:57  alex.ragone ->  thanks, durff. 
2009-04-09 13:20:04  JoseRodriguez ->  let me know
2009-04-09 13:20:06  alex.ragone ->  arvind's call.
2009-04-09 13:20:17  mrsdurff ->  i hear nothing
2009-04-09 13:20:20  arvind ->  sure Jose, I can just Skype you in and you can keep broadcasting
2009-04-09 13:20:35  JoseRodriguez ->  ok.. rebooting system back in 2 min.
2009-04-09 13:21:01  arvind ->  try ustream now
2009-04-09 13:21:16  arvind ->  I think Ustream working now
2009-04-09 13:21:23  PeggyG ->  hearing ustream now :-) yeah!
2009-04-09 13:21:26  alex.ragone ->  Learning goals!
2009-04-09 13:21:28  arvind ->  phew!
2009-04-09 13:21:31  alex.ragone ->  Thanks @arvind
2009-04-09 13:21:36  alex.ragone ->  Making school interesting
2009-04-09 13:21:51  PeggyG ->  excellent audio on ustream!
2009-04-09 13:21:55  mrsdurff ->  yes shoutcast down, ustream up
2009-04-09 13:22:06  alex.ragone ->  high quality education for all.
2009-04-09 13:22:10  alex.ragone ->  Thanks, durff.
2009-04-09 13:22:14  arvind ->  just fixed the stream too
2009-04-09 13:22:17  arvind ->  zoiks
2009-04-09 13:22:21  alex.ragone ->  getting echo.
2009-04-09 13:22:25  arvind ->  it's called Realtek HD Input for some reason
2009-04-09 13:22:26  alex.ragone ->  turn stream off.
2009-04-09 13:22:27  PeggyG ->  who is speaking?
2009-04-09 13:22:31  mrsdurff ->  zolks?
2009-04-09 13:22:55  alex.ragone ->   great.
2009-04-09 13:22:58  mrsdurff ->  audio is perfect arvind
2009-04-09 13:23:05  mrsdurff ->  don't jinx it
2009-04-09 13:23:13  arvind ->  finally! Alex tried to get me to set up at noon, but I figured we'd be fine. Lesson learned
2009-04-09 13:23:19  arvind ->  sorry, all!
2009-04-09 13:23:35  PeggyG ->  no problem arvind!
2009-04-09 13:24:03  mrsdurff ->  speaker?
2009-04-09 13:24:11  arvind ->  feel free to ask questions. We're talking with Andy Zucker
2009-04-09 13:24:19  mrsdurff ->  thx
2009-04-09 13:24:49  alex.ragone ->  Online Teacher PD.  Very common.  Commercial Outfits.  Or silly folks like us:-)
2009-04-09 13:24:52  PeggyG ->  I'm thrilled with what is beginning to happen with online PD!
2009-04-09 13:25:05  arvind ->  We're talking about his new book: http://www.amazon.com/Transforming-Schools-Technology-Andrew-Zucker/dp/1...
2009-04-09 13:25:10  alex.ragone ->  Peggy -- what is your favorite?
2009-04-09 13:25:20  alex.ragone ->  arvind is definitely back.  glad to have him posting links in the chat.
2009-04-09 13:25:32  PeggyG ->  one of our local ed tech coordinators is doing all of her teacher PD online! awesome model!
2009-04-09 13:25:57  arvind ->  ha ha, was sweating the stream, Alex. Back now!
2009-04-09 13:26:00  PeggyG ->  Of course my favorite online PD is EdTechTalk!
2009-04-09 13:26:12  arvind ->  oooh, did we lose ustream?
2009-04-09 13:26:18  mrsdurff ->  off the air
2009-04-09 13:26:23  PeggyG ->  yes
2009-04-09 13:26:39  mrsdurff ->  me to Peggy!
2009-04-09 13:26:47  lisasjogren ->  We are currently building a moodle online professional development community for our teachers. our hope is that it will provide the teachers with the flexibility with on demand training instead of having them be tied to Thursda at 3:15 PM
2009-04-09 13:26:56  arvind ->  I think Joe might had overridden me
2009-04-09 13:26:57  sarah H ->  I was just thinking about the fact that my affinities and the fact that my kids go to bed at 7, leaving me trapped at home, match the explosion in online ed tech resources quite nicely.
2009-04-09 13:27:17  arvind ->  ustream should be back
2009-04-09 13:27:23  arvind ->  Jose might be trying to help me
2009-04-09 13:27:30  Susan Carter Morgan ->  Or when I wake in the middle of the night and can't sleep...always something to learn:)
2009-04-09 13:27:30  PeggyG ->  @lisasjogren excellent idea! would love to hear more about how you're doing that
2009-04-09 13:27:46  mrsdurff ->  yup back
2009-04-09 13:27:58  mrsdurff ->  click reload if you don't hear
2009-04-09 13:28:00  VinnieVrotny ->  @lisa, I would love to see what you are building. This is somethign that Alex Arvind and are envisioning. Would love to see how you are tryin to develop
2009-04-09 13:28:12  mrsdurff ->  & off the air again
2009-04-09 13:28:32  PeggyG ->  I follow many ustream channels for educators and love the opportunities there--also depend on tweets from many (and especially Durff) for announcements of streamed opportunities
2009-04-09 13:28:38  VinnieVrotny ->  Andy's converstaion on Disrupting Class on the ISENET Ning
2009-04-09 13:28:55  lisasjogren ->  It is developed in Moodle- and we are currently building 22 different web 2.0 resources
2009-04-09 13:29:05  mrsdurff ->  i am very disruptive
2009-04-09 13:29:08  arvind ->  can someone message Jose and tell him we don't need him to stream
2009-04-09 13:29:15  arvind ->  Jose! We are good now!
2009-04-09 13:29:21  arvind ->  were you trying to log in to the ustream?
2009-04-09 13:29:24  PeggyG ->  we're starting to use Mogulus to stream our AzTEA PD, workshops and meetings
2009-04-09 13:29:26  JoseRodriguez ->  got it
2009-04-09 13:30:04  VinnieVrotny ->  The conversation - http://isenet.ning.com/forum/topics/disrupting-class-brainstorming
2009-04-09 13:30:05  mrsdurff ->  hi crystal
2009-04-09 13:30:10  JoseRodriguez ->  sorry...
2009-04-09 13:30:16  arvind ->  no worries
2009-04-09 13:30:18  JoseRodriguez ->  sounds good now..
2009-04-09 13:30:23  arvind ->  I didn't realize that would happen
2009-04-09 13:30:24  arvind ->  whoops
2009-04-09 13:30:37  JoseRodriguez ->  I hope I didn't mess up your stream :-)
2009-04-09 13:30:40  Crystal G. ->  hi all
2009-04-09 13:30:44  judypdrsn ->  Sorry, I lost sound.  What book is talking about now - factual errors?  Disrupting class?
2009-04-09 13:30:48  alex.ragone ->  no worries Jose.  thanks.
2009-04-09 13:31:01  arvind ->  Disrupting Class - said Michael Horn (author) called him
2009-04-09 13:31:01  mrsdurff ->  no- quality of online course should improve
2009-04-09 13:31:04  alex.ragone ->  @judy -- Yes, disrupting class.
2009-04-09 13:31:08  mrsdurff ->  not get cheaper
2009-04-09 13:31:10  VinnieVrotny ->  Yes, Andrew is talking about Distupting Class
2009-04-09 13:31:11  sarah H ->  Reading the conversation between the two made me realize why I'm not excited about online learning for K-12 yet as a method of course delivery. We don't need more efficient delivery of old stuff.
2009-04-09 13:31:14  judypdrsn ->  Thank you
2009-04-09 13:31:37  PeggyG ->  such a great point sarah H!
2009-04-09 13:31:38  mrsdurff ->  i think it is wonderful
2009-04-09 13:31:57  mrsdurff ->  elementary will still find f2f useful
2009-04-09 13:32:07  VinnieVrotny ->  teaching a DL course, there are many changes that need to be made in this environment
2009-04-09 13:32:10  sarah H ->  Mrs D--you got it--for online to matter it has to be better
2009-04-09 13:33:30  PeggyG ->  that's true in the classroom too--if teachers are using technology to do what they always did with paper/pencil it's no better!
2009-04-09 13:34:11  arvind ->  right now Peggy, new technologies have no affordances - taking advantage of those *new* things are the key - not replication, or automation
2009-04-09 13:34:25  arvind ->  I meant, right on peggy :)
2009-04-09 13:35:12  PeggyG ->  definitely arvind!!!!!
2009-04-09 13:36:07  sarah H ->  Its hard to believe that 1:1 access is still controversial for any reason other than $$
2009-04-09 13:36:32  alex.ragone ->  Sarah -- with sub $500 comps, I think it's a possibility.
2009-04-09 13:36:41  arvind ->  sometimes I wonder what the modern toolkit for students ought to be. The cost isn't negligible, but it isn't insane either
2009-04-09 13:36:51  sarah H ->  I have to run--we are video conferencing soon with our teacher who is in Siberia.  Have already ordered the book and can't wait to listen to the rest!
2009-04-09 13:36:54  VinnieVrotny ->  some teachers and administrators are afraid of change. They want to teach they way there were taught
2009-04-09 13:37:02  arvind ->  literally, Siberia?
2009-04-09 13:37:06  lisasjogren ->  When I proposed 1:1 I hear some of the oddest reasons not to do it from the stakeholders
2009-04-09 13:37:12  VinnieVrotny ->  @sarah vc sounds great
2009-04-09 13:37:12  judypdrsn ->  Hybrid environments, f2f + online, with skilled, talented teachers will help personalize education.
2009-04-09 13:37:26  arvind ->  just because they had a great education, doesn't mean it translates to a great education for their student
2009-04-09 13:37:29  sarah H ->  yep http://www.polartrec.com/geologic-climate-research-in-siberia
2009-04-09 13:37:35  sarah H ->  Teacher is Tim
2009-04-09 13:37:46  VinnieVrotny ->  saw that from your tweet
2009-04-09 13:37:52  lisasjogren ->  We went to a dual-cart based (about 1:1.18) instead of 1:1, I wonder if netbooks will give a new stance.
2009-04-09 13:38:05  alex.ragone ->  Hi JK.
2009-04-09 13:38:21  mrsdurff ->  adina sullivan tried to join us and can't  - she is on an Acer
2009-04-09 13:38:24  sarah H ->  talk about modeling the role of teacher as master learner!
2009-04-09 13:38:26  sarah H ->  thanks!
2009-04-09 13:38:42  sarah H ->  @lisa I think so, or I hope so.
2009-04-09 13:38:47  PeggyG ->  we held our last AzTEA conference at a fantastic 1:1 HS in Vail AZ! very impressed with what teachers and students were doing!
2009-04-09 13:39:09  alex.ragone ->  @lisasjogren -- Not so hard to say that the cost is being reduced.
2009-04-09 13:39:10  judypdrsn ->  It wont be very far in the future when we will be using handhelds - cell phones, for instance.  Wondering if laptops are a good investment over handhelds that update quicker and more often.
2009-04-09 13:39:23  mrsdurff ->  @lisa i have been told i will get carts next year - we shall see
2009-04-09 13:39:59  PeggyG ->  @Andrew-have you talked to Matt Federoff at Empire HS re costs of laptop program--he shared that info with us at the conference
2009-04-09 13:40:04  judypdrsn ->  I have several students who do all their online assignments with their cell phones, including blogging.
2009-04-09 13:40:34  arvind ->  Judy, that is wild. Things like iPhones and BlackBerry's that have better keyboards lend even more potential to handheld computing
2009-04-09 13:41:33  PeggyG ->  cost/benefit would be challenging to capture! it's in the "stories" from students and teachers
2009-04-09 13:41:59  arvind ->  not to mention laptops change, software changes, approaches change - so challenging to document/research
2009-04-09 13:43:20  PeggyG ->  both teaching and curriculum are changing with the 1:1 laptop programs!
2009-04-09 13:43:51  alex.ragone ->  Question about engagement. Online discussions -- Moodle. 1:1
2009-04-09 13:44:40  alex.ragone ->  Research, Online Video, Media -- PPT, etc. 
2009-04-09 13:44:47  alex.ragone ->  What's your favorite engagement tool.
2009-04-09 13:45:45  mrsdurff ->  leave to arvind to ask the difficult qts
2009-04-09 13:46:08  arvind ->  ha ha, I ask the questions the people want to hear!
2009-04-09 13:46:10  alex.ragone ->  Sarah Dexter -- EdTechCases.
2009-04-09 13:46:14  mrsdurff ->  cellent! is he volunteering to create this resource?
2009-04-09 13:46:24  arvind ->  I find Edutopia's video stories awesome
2009-04-09 13:46:24  PeggyG ->  I agree with the power of video to communicate this message!
2009-04-09 13:46:35  arvind ->  but that's because George Lucas is producing them
2009-04-09 13:47:08  mrsdurff ->  video always is more engaging to me and my colearners than text
2009-04-09 13:47:33  PeggyG ->  I just watched a short video of a local teacher demonstrating student tech use in her class with students on the video--they post on their website and publish on TV every day in AZ
2009-04-09 13:48:12  mrsdurff ->  oo got starbucks
2009-04-09 13:48:38  Crystal G. ->  Great videos of teachers using technology in the classroom at  http://etc.usf.edu/plans
2009-04-09 13:48:52  PeggyG ->  http://dysart.org watch the video on storytelling :-)
2009-04-09 13:50:01  judypdrsn ->  Thank you, gentlemen.
2009-04-09 13:50:05  mrsdurff ->  i forgive the gremlins - i have a redeye from starbucks
2009-04-09 13:50:12  lisasjogren ->  Thank you.
2009-04-09 13:50:16  mrsdurff ->  bue
2009-04-09 13:50:22  mrsdurff ->  ooo bye
2009-04-09 13:50:31  Crystal G. ->  Thanks!
2009-04-09 13:50:33  PeggyG ->  was stalled and couldn't type!
2009-04-09 13:50:46  PeggyG ->  thanks for a great conversation-Andy is great!!!
2009-04-09 13:50:53  PeggyG ->  yes ETT badge!!
2009-04-09 13:50:58  lisasjogren ->  yes on the badge
2009-04-09 13:51:23  lisasjogren ->  I can take photography... but not a good graphic designer
2009-04-09 13:51:35  alex.ragone ->  Thanks, Lisa!
2009-04-09 13:51:47  lisasjogren ->  Okay... back to Moodle courses- I will share when we get to a pre-launch stage
2009-04-09 13:52:10  PeggyG ->  that would be great lisasjogren! would love to see it!
2009-04-09 13:53:05  alex.ragone ->  thanks folks! 
2009-04-09 13:53:10  alex.ragone ->  Talk to you next week!
2009-04-09 13:53:35  arvind ->  thanks everyone